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dmackto
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 Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:30 pm Post subject: Discharge story in Opinion Journal |
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I get Opinion Journal in my email each day. It's put out by Wall Street Journal. These articles were in this afternoons mail.
| Quote: | Honorable Discharge?
In today's New York Sun, Thomas Lipscomb reports on the latest mystery involving the Vietnam service of John Kerry, who by the way served in Vietnam:
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well-kept secret about his military service.
The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in itself is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.
According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163." This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.
In the absence of an explanation from the Kerry camp, Lipscomb offers some speculation:
There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued.
We're not sure what to make of all this, but certainly the story of John Kerry and Vietnam is more nuanced than the simple tale of heroism he sold his party and is trying to sell the country.
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| Quote: | Dems vs. Free Speech--II
In an item yesterday, we noted that the Democratic National Committee was planning to file a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission against Sinclair Broadcasting, alleging that the company's airing of "Stolen Honor," a documentary critical of John Kerry, is "an in-kind contribution to the Bush campaign." We asked:
If this is an in-kind contribution, what is "Fahrenheit 9/11"? How about Bruce Springsteen's pro-Kerry concerts, or for that matter newspaper editorials endorsing one candidate or another?
Several readers took issue with our analogy, among them Chuck Gitles:
None of those use the public airwaves. Sinclair is using my airwaves. If AMC Theaters wants to use their privately owned screens to show Moore's films, I just won't go see it.
Talk of the "public airwaves" seems somewhat quaint in our multimedia age, but it is true that the regulatory scheme for broadcast television and radio remains based on the assumption that the airwaves are public property and broadcasters therefore have an obligation to act in the "public interest." That, however, is irrelevant to the DNC's complaint, which is about campaign finance, not broadcast regulation.
An "in-kind contribution" means a donation of something of value other than cash. If, for example, a TV network (broadcast or cable) were to offer free advertising airtime to President Bush, the DNC would have a legitimate complaint. Yet networks air political ads free of charge all the time--as part of their news coverage. This is an editorial decision, one that is plainly protected by the First Amendment, even if under current case law that amendment does not give full protection to political ads per se.
Likewise, Sinclair's decision to run the documentary is an editorial decision. Democrats are of course within their rights to cry foul, complain of bias, etc. But CNN notes that the company did offer Kerry "an opportunity to appear on its stations to respond to the program. The Kerry campaign says it's not taking the offer seriously."
Rather than answer the criticism, then, the Kerry camp seems intent on using the government to shut down criticism. |
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arkadyfolkner
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rhv5862
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:54 am Post subject: Discharge Story |
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This would be a good reason for Kerry not to sign SF 180. Truth would come out.
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Fort Campbell
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A connection to The Wall Street jouranl is a good thing.  |
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shadowy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, lotsanlotsa people read that. Good exposure, w/credibility |
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leeinwv
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| form 180 John |
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rhv5862
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:04 am Post subject: Discharge Story |
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leeinwv said "Form 180 John". John will never sign the 180. He cannot afford for the truth to come out.
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Cuda
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Reporting For Duty claims to be a lifelong gun owner & hunter.
But if he was dishonorably discharged, it would be illegal for him to be a gun owner and he'd also ineligible to buy a hunting license. Lying on a hunting license application would be a separate crime and lying on a federal firearm transfer form is also a pretty serious federal felony (and has been since 1968)
I wouldn't sign the release either if I were in Reporting For Duty's shoes.
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drjohn
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ABC to air John Kerry testimonial
ABC news, if you could call it that ^ | 10-15-04 | ABC/ John Kerry headquarters
Posted on 10/15/2004 2:45:55 PM PDT by 2thfxr
ABC to air documentary on Kerry in Vietnam
New York, NY, Oct. 15 (UPI) -- ABC TV has produced and will air next week a documentary on the Vietnam War fight that has both distinguished and dogged John Kerry's presidential campaign.
ABC to air documentary on Kerry in Vietnam
New York, NY, Oct. 15 (UPI) -- ABC TV has produced and will air next week a documentary on the Vietnam War fight that has both distinguished and dogged John Kerry's presidential campaign.
Kerry has not hesitated to invoke his status as a war hero, gained partly for a 1969 incident when he was commanding a river boat in Vietnam, in seeking to win Democratic Party's nomination and in campaigning against President Bush, ABC News reported Friday.
But the 1969 incident for which Kerry won a Silver Star has also been the focus of one of his most virulent enemies, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, who charge that all the senator-to-be did that day was shoot one wounded Vietnamese teenage boy in the back as he fled.
Recently ABC interviewed survivors of that skirmish, and it plans to broadcast the results of those interviews on Thursday at 11:35 p.m. EDT.
Interviewees include those who witnessed Kerry's boat approach the village of Nah Vi, saw fighting and knew both casualties and survivors.
An anti-Kerry documentary focusing on his anti-war activities is also expected to air over Sinclair Broadcasting channels before the election. |
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rhv5862
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject: Discharge Story |
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I heard Rush talk about the ABC story on his show today. The way he was talking was that it had already been shown. He was playing clips from the show with an interview with John O'Niell. O'Niell was quoting from a Boston Globe story along with Kerry's book where Kerry said there was only one VC during the incident which contradicts the ABC story.
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| Quote: | | New York, NY, Oct. 15 (UPI) -- ABC TV has produced and will air next week a documentary on the Vietnam War fight that has both distinguished and dogged John Kerry's presidential campaign. |
Two problems:
1) this is Mark Halperin's ABC, the ABC that holds the President and Kerry to different standards of proof.
2) the term "documentary" has been so bastardized by Michael Moore, it could include sequences from Popeye the Sailor and still qualify as a "documentary" to ABC.
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fastrock
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I believe Officers, even a puke like Kerry, can be honorably discharged or dismissed. the multiple categories of discharges listed in the OP Journal are for enlisted only. Again, I believe a Dismissed is on a plane with dishonorable discharge because they are officers and gentleman.
But this is OK, because most people only know the enlisted variants and it has more impact on Joe SixPack who we are reaching. Just saw Zogby report that Bush is up by 4 pts. Haven't read yet. Dear Lord let it be true. Please aid us in bring JK's numbers down and GWB win by 40 electoral points.
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Steve Z
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:23 pm Post subject: Geoff Metcalf on Kerry Discharge |
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/10/18/95423.shtml
Geoff Metcalf wrote the following for Newsmax.com on Kerry's discharge from the Navy--he may have been "chargeable" for criminal offenses when he was meeting with the enemy:
| Quote: | "John Kerry is a thoroughly reprehensible person. When Lynn Cheney commented on Kerry, she said, “This is not a good man.” she was articulating a truism that sadly was a grossly inadequate means of describing the loathsome presidential wannabe.
I recently got a note from my old Battalion Commander asking if there is any substance to the controversy surrounding Kerry’s military discharge. I responded, “You damnbetcha!” I have previously written about questions surrounding Kerry’s discharge (9/10/04 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/9/9/154130.shtml) and the ginned up DD214 (8/23/04 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/23/95437.shtml). The growing conventional wisdom (in military circles) is that Kerry GOT a discharge but it was other than honorable. He subsequently got Clinton to sign the fix in 2001. HOWEVER, the more egregious aspect is his having been subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice when he met with the commies in Paris. THAT was and is chargeable!
Reportedly, after the slug told a Senate hearing about his meetings with enemy agents, some senior Department of Defense types actually wanted to prosecute him. He was a Naval Reserve officer who had violated an excrement pot full of assorted laws and regulations.
However, the paranoid, dysfunctional Nixon White House allegedly didn’t want to fuel the anti-war gang rhetoric and so they made the strategic and tactical error of ignoring the obvious.
The Navy was p.o.-ed too. They yanked Kerry’s security clearance when it became axiomatic he was a Naval Reserve officer not to be trusted. One retired agent reportedly observed, “Lieutenant Kerry wasn’t cleared to know what time it was!”
The reason Kerry refuses to sign Standard Form 180 and release ALL his records (over a hundred pages still under wraps), doesn’t have ‘jack’ to do with medal inflation and hyperbolized heroics.
President Bush, former Vice President Gore, Senator McCain and others have authorized release of their records ... Kerry won’t!
Kerry’s Honorable Discharge some 30 years after his end of service (March 2001) is suspicious because it is so out of the ordinary.
There are five classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. It smells like Kerry’s ‘first’ discharge was probably no better than a ‘General’ discharge.
It has been suggested (and probably true) that the sandbagged records are loaded with appeal efforts and reports of his having provided “aid and comfort” to the enemy.
The mainstream co-conspirator/enablers media will not be able to ignore THIS elephant in the living room forever. Oh, they will try .... but if you think Clinton was harassed for sexual improprieties with an intern; get ready for a coordinated Military community Tsunami over Kerry’s FULL military record. The Monica mess will compare to a small yellow hole in a Montana snow bank when contrasted with the Kerry conundrum.
When Kerry went to Paris in the summer of 1970, he ‘claimed’ it was for his first honeymoon with heiress #1.
He met with assorted communists to engage in extensive discussions about plans, procedures and how to get the U.S. to surrender to Vietnam…WHILE HE WAS CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED AS A NAVAL RESERVE OFFICER.
Kerry’s covert lobbying were never reported to the Navy.
Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
As a commissioned officer, he was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war.
Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
Kerry claimed to be a war criminal on national television. The U.S. Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemy!”
The details of Kerry’s military record disaster have been floating through cyberspace for a couple of months thanks to A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team.
I called Steve to confirm he had authored the initial litany. You can check out his other efforts at http://www.authentiseal.org Thomas Lipscomb is adding to the compendium in the New York Sun http://www.nysun.com/article/3107.
Lipscomb observed Woodrow Wilson sent former presidential candidate Eugene Debs to prison for even demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I.
Ambrose Bierce once observed, “The hardest tumble a man can make is to fall over his own bluff.” John Kerry’s fall is sure to rival Humpty Dumpty."
(End of Geoff Metcalf article) |
Is there any way of contacting Mr. Metcalf and coordinating with him to make this public?
note: BBCode "quote" added. Please utilize the quote function to facilitate differentiation of your comments and quoted comments. Thanks
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Stevie
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| Dimsdale wrote: | | Quote: | | New York, NY, Oct. 15 (UPI) -- ABC TV has produced and will air next week a documentary on the Vietnam War fight that has both distinguished and dogged John Kerry's presidential campaign. |
Two problems:
1) this is Mark Halperin's ABC, the ABC that holds the President and Kerry to different standards of proof.
2) the term "documentary" has been so bastardized by Michael Moore, it could include sequences from Popeye the Sailor and still qualify as a "documentary" to ABC. |
heard on news his afternoon that ABC has now determined (this past month I guess) that John Kerry is lying just as much as Bush so they should be treated equally..... I guess they saw the reports on Fox about the big network bias to Kerrry ! Or someone has leaked the connecton between ABC and George Soros!!!!!  
That's not gonna stop me from boycotting their sponsers...
anyone know where the list of abc sponsers is? do we have that on the forum?
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