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quidnunc · Seaman Recruit Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 4

Can or should we accept the truth revulsion that we are living through today?

While some politicians have shaded the truth, most of them still stop at deliberate lies. While truth tampering did not begin with Bill Clinton's election, an era of sanctioned evasion began in 1992. But only a few spoilsports cared.

The international post-war reputation of the United States for honesty in diplomacy, commerce, law and in day-to-day transactions became a joke. A handful of people made a lot of money from the financial disasters of Enron, Global Crossing, Xerox and years passed before one or two culprits faced jail time. The message was loud and clear. In an ethical society, it is easy for an unethical person to become rich and successful; honesty has no currency.

John Kerry certainly is following in the Clinton tradition.

Unlike President George W. Bush, former Vice President Al Gore and most candidates for office, Kerry refuses to allow the Pentagon to release his military records. Speculations are rife, from his Purple Hearts, to criteria about his medals, and why Kerry did not receive an honorable discharge until March 2001, nearly 30 years after his service ended on July 1, 1972.

No explanation has been offered.

Informed guys in the Pentagon believe Kerry originally was discharged in the 1970s with a "general" discharge and used his pro-Clinton votes during the impeachment of Boy Bill to apply political pressure for an upgrade. Obviously, his military records would contain material on his appeal, and might explain the 30-year delay.

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'Dateline D.C.' is written by a Washington-based British journalist and political observer.

('Dateline D.C.' in The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, October 10, 2004 )
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/datelinedc/s_259616.html

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

2ndamendsis · PO3 Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 288 Location: NJ

I didn't realize that he joined the VVAW 1 month after he met with Binh in Paris? I had thought that he was a member before he went to Paris.

BuffaloJack · Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:29 pm Post subject:

Kerry joined VVAW the month after meeting Madam Binh, because Binh probably asked him to. Some years ago, British journalists interviewed General Giap during the filming of segments for "The 10000 Day War". General Giap stated, during the interview, that the North Vietnamese government spent nearly three times the money supporting anti-War groups and the anti-War movement in the United States as they spent supporting their ground forces in Viet Nam and that it paid off for them. Does this mean Kerry took funds from them? There's probably no way to know for sure.

CTW · Rear Admiral Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 691

He may have been in contact or even a member before the Viet Nam escapade. The FBI files are interesting. Check it out in the first forum.
He was in San Diego Cal in 1968 in Navy , on leave july 21-Aug 17, 1968; ordered to report by 10/31/68 in Viet Nam; reported late at 11/17/68 where was he? Getting legal advise? Making a "plan"? You bet!
VVAW reorganization started 11/7/68 in Cal.

Was he involved before his trist to Viet Nam? Did he go to get info on film? He had tried every way possible to stay out of the battle yet be involved and on the record.
He was seeking political career, his father's international philosphy was engrained in Kerry, he already had aligned himself with prointernational agenda, with the Kennedy's and there is FBI info that Ed Kennedy gave money to the Communist infiltrated VVAW, all before his Viet Nam appearance.
He has been scripted since birth. He didn't just decide to join VVAW one month after Viet Nam. I will never ever believe that.
I believe he was a central figure in VVAW very early. His own words about Viet Nam (he was curious, wanted to see for himself, questioned the war and wanted to stay out of the battle) and his success at 3/out rule are highly indicative of a prearranged "plan".
Lawyers were on board giving advice to vets and you better believe Kerry was fully informed about his options when denied the last deferment. "Send me." Crap! Yeah, he and Clinton were in it together to sanitize their Viet Nam involvement.

Hey Hillary..we are not all dead yet and we never forgive or forget. CTW

Never Ever Kerry

twicearound · PO2 Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 362 Location: San Antonio

This if absolutely incredible, do you think anyone has guts to do something about this and could someone tell me what kind of play this particular Dateline DC has in media. Should we start emailing the article or would their stature already put this into play. Could this be part of the October Surprise? If it is I hope the timing is good enough to produce saturation.
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CTW · Rear Admiral Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 691

Geano · Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject:

Apologies, Moderators, but this may fit in this thread:
This is basically a repasting of one of my previous posts somewhere, and may be slightly different because it is copied from my draft doc:

1: Kerry at San Diego from 22 July 1968 to (?) of November 1968?

from FBI files on VVAW :

In August of 1968, C. James Boggio appeared at an open meeting of the Socialist Workers Party and spoke of his trip to the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, and the demonstrations he participated with there

LA Sept 8 1970 FBI Valley Forge peace march report
Oct 2, 1968 March and ralley in San Francisco, Calif: Speaker Gen. Hugh Hester

FBI Memo November 11, 1968
October 27, 1968 "C. James Boggio" A letter stating "join me in a revolution”…Having served as coordinator of (VVAW) for the past year...and participated in the Chicago Uprisings..." letter calls for meeting to "revigorate" VVAW on November 3, 1968.
Lists return address in LA "c/o Marcia Silverstein"

Kerry was ordered to report to SEA on October 31, 1968

Same memo:
Boggio proposes renaming and remodeling VVAW as “GI’s and Vietnam Veterans Against the War” and breaking with the “moribund Vets for Peace” because they were “veterans of bow-and-arrow wars.” “None of them senile World War I vets at this meeting, nosirree!”

November 3 1968 meeting came off as scheduled according to other information and GI-VVAW was formed.

November 17, 1968: Kerry reports to SEA…18 days late.

GI’s-VVAW messed around for about a year, stirring stuff up in the area, and, according to the FBI, appears to have been infiltrated by the “Youth Socialist Alliance” of the “Socialist Worker’s Party” an by August 8, 1969, GI’s-VVAW vanished from the scene.
So does Boggio. He was last reported as being in Denver Colorado. I am unable to trace him at all, and apparently FBI couldn’t either. There are several redacted areas in some of the memos where Boggio is mentioned in this time frame (summer-fall 1969).
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MSM Lead Nov 3 2004 "Kerry Oval Office Hopes killed by 10,000 Mice..."
Candidate had declared mice "only a nuisance".
States they "moved too Swiftly"....

CTW · Rear Admiral Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 691

still no find on where he was. Any ideas out there? Were there any speeches or other meetings during that time frame? CTW

Never Ever Kerry

Mary Ann Parker · LCDR Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 406

The MSM is biased, but it is ALSO LAZY!!!

If we forward a relentless number of links with the FACTS as
we know them and the support documents as we
SUSPECT them, we WILL GET RESULTS.

If there is enough pressure on the right subjects
by ENOUGH PEOPLE, you will see them respond.

LETS GET GOING!!!

Thanks again for all of the great research and reporting.

Make it a COMMUNICATING day.
Mary Ann Parker

Geano · Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject:

Boggio link runs out in Denver fall of 1969...supposedly...
Wonder what's in the redacted parts of those FBI memos?
Reckon this boy wound up in witness protection?

There are some Boggios in the Colorado area...I think some are law enforcement...haven't chased the link much further.
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MSM Lead Nov 3 2004 "Kerry Oval Office Hopes killed by 10,000 Mice..."
Candidate had declared mice "only a nuisance".
States they "moved too Swiftly"....