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fortdixlover
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 Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:51 pm Post subject: The LeftMedia then (WW2), as now |
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This is truly amazing - and very revealing. WELL WORTH A COMPLETE READ.
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Then and Now
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_060404/content/institute.guest.html
June 4, 2004
You must read this LIFE magazine story from January 7, 1946: "Americans are Losing the Victory in Europe."
There's literally been no change in the mainstream media's pessimistic, blame-America attitude. Their coverage of the WWII aftermath and the occupation of Germany, is almost identical to their coverage of Iraq. We also augmented F. Lee Levin's National Review column ( http://www.nationalreview.com/levin/levin200406011433.asp ) with doom-and-gloom New York Times articles from the post-war period.
This stuff is just uncanny. This LIFE piece is about how the Germans and Europeans hated us, and how six months after we liberated their continent, "never has American prestige in Europe been lower." The attitude is that the occupation is horrible and we don't know what we're doing. It is uncanny how the left in this country is who they've always been. They don't trust America, don't trust us to do what's right or to win -- and we don't deserve to win, anyway. Here are samples from LIFE:
"[I]t's what our boys have been doing that worries me...the Army kicks the civilians around...the Army is engaging in looting...lust, liquor, loot; that's the soldier's pay...Europeans, friend and foe alike, look you accusingly in the face and tell you how bitterly they are disappointed in you as an American...people never tire of telling you of the ignorance and the rowdyism of American troops..." The people who write the history of World War II, who were not part of it, got it right. The people who were in the midst of it were wringing their hands and mired in negativism.
The Antidote: Quote of the Day from Today's Europe
These articles are just so informative and worth your time to read. But before you get upset, there's an antidote to this. It's the declaration by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy. As you know, the anti-Bush left of Europe has turned Rome into a veritable protesters' war zone. In light of this LIFE piece telling you how much we were supposedly failing and hated in post-war Europe, note what Berlusconi said yesterday to these protestors:
"They must know the price the Americans paid to free our continent. Half a million killed in World War II. More than 7,000 killed on D-Day alone in Normandy; 25,000 killed to liberate Italy, some of them rest in peace in our country, buried in Anzio. I suggest you visit that cemetery and see the names of people unknown to you -- John, Charlie, Robert, Ted -- men aged 20 to 22 who gave up their life for our freedom"
In an e-mail to the super-secret Rush 24/7 address, a lady urged us to heed Winston Churchill's advice quoted in this LIFE article: "You must be prepared for further efforts of mind and body and further sacrifices to great causes, if you are not to fall back into the rut of inertia, the confusion of aim, and the craven fear of being great." Does that not describe today's left? The craven fear of being great, of being a superpower, because when you're at the top, you're a target. |
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LewWaters
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In addition to that Life article, I also found the following. Although intended as humor, it does show how WW2 would have been handled under todays circumstances.
| Quote: | If The World Treated WW2 Like the War On Terrorism
by John Hawkins
If the world treated WW2 the same way we treat the "War on Terrorism" and the "conflict in the Middle East" this is what it would have been like...
March 15/16, 1939: Nazis take Czechoslovakia. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge Czechoslovakia to be restrained in their response.)
May 22, 1939: Nazis sign 'Pact of Steel' with Italy. (Other nations declare that Italy and Germany signing pact to help each other take over the world "not helpful to the peace process.")
Aug 23, 1939: Nazis and Soviets sign Pact. (The world heralds signing of treaty as a sign of Hitler's good intentions. He wouldn't be signing a peace treaty if he wanted war would he?)
Sept 1, 1939: Nazis invade Poland. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
Sept 3, 1939: Britain, France, Australia and New Zealand declare war on Germany. (World condemns these nations for declaring war. This may cause unrest in Europe!)
Oct, 1939: Nazis begin euthanasia on sick and disabled in Germany. (World mildly condemns this but declares that we must understand the actions of Germany in the context of the horribly unfair treaty of Versailles.)
April 9, 1940: Nazis invade Denmark and Norway. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
May 10, 1940: Nazis invade France, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
June 14, 1940: Germans enter Paris. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
July 10, 1940: Battle of Britain begins. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge Britain to be restrained lest they further the "cycle of violence.")
Aug 23/24: First German air raids on Central London. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge Britain to be restrained lest they further the "cycle of violence.")
Aug 25/26: First British air raid on Berlin. (World outraged at British attacks! Civilians may have been killed by irresponsible British attacks! World votes 453-4 to condemn Britain!)
Sept 13, 1940: Italians invade Egypt (Other nations give mild condemnation of Italian attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
Nov 20, 1940: Hungary joins the Axis Powers. (World excited! Hopes Hungary may now have the influence to help move the peace process forward. World publicly says they applaud the peace effort they are sure Hungary will soon begin!)
Nov 23, 1940: Romania joins the Axis Powers. (World excited! Hopes Romania may now have the influence to help move the peace process forward. World publicly says they applaud the peace effort they are sure Romania will soon begin!)
Dec 9/10: British begin a western desert offensive in North Africa against the Italians. (World outraged at British attacks! How will we ever have peace if Britain keeps attacking the other side?)
March 11, 1941: President Roosevelt signs the Lend-Lease Act. (World criticizes Americans for selling weaponry to combatants! Announces they should only give food, blankets, and tents if they're going to get involved at all.)
May 10/11, 1941: Heavy German bombing of London; British bomb Hamburg. (World is outraged by British attack on Hamburg! Civilians may of been injured! World condemns Britain in strongest terms and demands they stop bombing anywhere civilians might be!)
June 14, 1941: United States freezes German and Italian assets in America. (Americans accused of "hating all Germans and Italians". 32 lawsuits filed.)
June 22, 1941: Germany attacks Soviet Union as Operation Barbarossa begins. (World upset that treaty broken. They urge president Roosevelt to personally sit down with Stalin and Hitler to negotiate new treaty.)
Sept 29, 1941: Nazis murder 33,771 Jews at Kiev (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi murders but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
Dec 7, 1941: Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor (Other nations give mild condemnation of Japanese attack but urge United States to be restrained in their response.)
Dec 8, 1941: United States and Britain declare war on Japan. (Other nations outraged! Accuse United States of furthering "cycle of violence". World says that Roosevelt calling Dec 7, 1941 "a date which will live in infamy" is "simplistic" and "not helpful.")
Jan 20, 1942: SS Leader Heydrich holds the Wannsee Conference to coordinate the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question." (World declares plan to kill all Jews is "not helpful". Urges Hitler to declare that exterminating all Jews is wrong in German.)
Aug 17, 1942: First all-American air attack in Europe. (World outraged at American aggression! Suggests putting Roosevelt up for war crimes trial!)
Oct 18, 1942: Hitler orders the execution of all captured British commandos. (World takes occasion to remind "Allies" that German prisoners should get extra bratwurst and beer for "Oktoberfest".)
Jan 14-24, 1943: Casablanca conference between Churchill and Roosevelt. During the conference, Roosevelt announces the war can end only with an unconditional German surrender (World outraged! Says that Churchill and Roosevelt must be willing to negotiate with Hitler now while they're being attacked!)
May 13, 1943: German and Italian troops surrender in North Africa. (World demands that relief groups monitor the conditions for German and Italian troops to make sure they're not being "tortured.")
July 25/26, 1943: Mussolini arrested and the Italian Fascist government falls; Marshal Pietro Badoglio takes over and negotiates with Allies (World fears change in Italian leadership will cause "more instability in Europe.")
July 27/28, 1943: Allied air raid causes a firestorm in Hamburg. (World condemns "Allies" raid on Hamburg. Votes 454-2 to order all allied forces to withdraw to their own countries and begin negotiating for peace.)
Jan 6, 1944: Soviet troops advance into Poland. (World condemns Soviet aggression! Demands Soviets stop their "brutal oppression.")
March 18, 1944: British drop 3000 tons of bombs during an air raid on Hamburg, Germany. (World outraged! Citizens of Hamburg "under siege"! World suggests putting troops inbetween combatants in effort to insure a cease fire.)
June 6, 1944: D-Day landings. (World goes nuts! This outrageous aggression by the Allies must not stand!)
June 13, 1944: First German V-1 rocket attack on Britain. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
Sept 1-4, 1944: Verdun, Dieppe, Artois, Rouen, Abbeville, Antwerp and Brussels liberated by Allies. (World urges Allies to negotiate with Axis for peace! World has moment of silence for the German people who may of been harmed in attacks!)
Dec 17, 1944: Waffen SS murder 81 U.S. POWs at Malmedy. (World chides Allies that they had better not treat their prisoners like that!)
Dec 26, 1944: Patton relieves Bastogne. (World outraged! Patton is a "hawk". The fact that the Americans put a man like that in charge of their military shows "they're not serious about peace.")
Feb 13/14, 1945: Dresden is destroyed by a firestorm after Allied bombing raids. (World calls for all allied leaders to be put up for war crimes trial. World expresses "shock and dismay" at Allies "complete disregard" for civilians!)
March 6, 1945: Last German offensive of the war begins to defend oil fields in Hungary. (World comments "Who could blame them after all those allied attacks? Wouldn't you do the same thing in their place?"
April 1, 1945: U.S. troops encircle Germans in the Ruhr(World demands US allow German troops a way out rather than attack.)
April 16, 1945: Soviet troops begin their final attack on Berlin; Americans enter Nuremberg. (World demands that Hitler not be overthrown! He is the elected leader of the German people!)
April 30, 1945: Adolf Hitler commits suicide. (World now very upset! Fears someone "worse than Hitler" may now take his place!)
May 7, 1945: Unconditional surrender of all German forces to Allies. (World upset and concerned about fate of German people. Sends relief groups in to make sure Germans not mistreated!)
June 5, 1945: Allies divide up Germany and Berlin and take over the government. (World outraged! Demands that the "occupation of Germany" end immediately)
Aug 6, 1945: First atomic bomb dropped, on Hiroshima, Japan. (World demands Truman be tried for war crimes. Protestors and peaceniks from across the world flock to Japan to act as human shields)
Aug 9, 1945: Second atomic bomb dropped, on Nagasaki, Japan. (World tells US that dropping atomic bombs will only "create more martyrs" and will encourage more Japanese than ever to turn against the Allies!)
Aug 14, 1945: Japanese agree to unconditional surrender. (World sincerely hopes the citizens on the Axis nations can forgive the Allies for their uncalled for aggression, imperialism, and oppression in this war.) |
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And it's happening, again!
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bump up to avoid the porn
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bump! 
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LewWaters
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It seems Life magazine wasn't the only one worrying about Losing the Peace back then. WHile reading some articles by Mark Levin on National Review Online, I ran across the following quotes from 1945 editions of the New York Times;
| Quote: | "Germans Reveal Hate of Americans," October 31, 1945
The German attitude toward the American occupation forces has swung from apathy and surface friendliness to active dislike. According to a military government official, this is finding expression in the organization of numerous local anti-American organizations throughout the zone and in a rapid increase in the number of attacks on American soldiers. There were more such attacks in the first week of October than in the preceding five months of the occupation, this source declared.
This official views the situation as so serious that he and others are protesting the withdrawal of 1,600 experienced military-government officers form the German governments on township, county and regional levels between Nov. 1 and Dec. 15. "We have been talking since the summer about the trouble that we expect this winter," the source said. "That trouble has now begun and we meet it with a plan to withdraw officers from communities where trouble is already being encountered.
"Loss of Victory in Germany Through U.S. Policy Feared," November 18, 1945
Grave concern was expressed today by informed officials that the United States might soon lose the fruits of victory in Germany through the failure to prepare adequately for carrying out its long-term commitments under the Potsdam Declaration. Government failures were attributed in part to public apathy. The predictions of a coming crisis are predicated upon three points:
1) The failure to start training a civilian corps of administrators to take over when the Army's Military Government pulls out of Germany by June 1.
2) The failure of the Government to set up an expert advisory group, such as that which existed in the Foreign Economic Administration's Enemy Branch to back up the American administrators of Germany with informed advice and provide a focal point in Washington for policy-making on the German question.
3) The failure of the Allies to decide together, or the United States for itself, the crucial economic question raised by the Potsdam Declaration; namely what level of German economic activity is desired over the long term?
"Germans Declare Americans Hated," December 3, 1945
An exhaustive compilation of opinions of Germans in all walks of life on their reaction to the United States occupation of their country was released this afternoon from the confidential status under which it was submitted to officials of the United States Forces in the European Theatre recently.
Bitter resentment and deep disappointment was voiced over the Americans' first six months of occupation, though there was some praise for the improvements in transportation, health conditions, book publishing and entertainment.
"German Election Set In Towns of U.S. Zone," December 19, 1945
United States Seventh Army headquarters announced today that plans had been completed for initial German elections in January at Gemuende. A statement said that a vast majority of Germans remained passive in attitude toward politics and displayed no disposition to take over civic responsibilities. |
http://www.nationalreview.com/levin/levin200406011433.asp
Just imagine how well things would ever work out if the left were to join our side in a war. |
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"Just imagine how well things would ever work out if the left were to join our side in a war."
Explain please. I don't follow.
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| Quote: | | Explain please. I don't follow. |
No insult intented, but most liberals don't! 
Those who understand, understand!
Those who do not understand, will never understand!
Woof!
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LewWaters
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It's like I tried to tell many before the Iraqi war resumed. If all the freedom loving nations stood together against Saddam, I doubt there would have been a resumption of hostilities, Saddam would have backed down and complied with the resolutions. Likewise, if those on the left actually supported the troops, they would want the job done right and finished as soon as possible, not be crying for them to just leave it as it is now.
There were those in WW2 that were against our involvement in that conflict, but they never got a large enough voice to be heard by many. The media supported Roosevelt and WW2 and it was fought to a victory, not just a stalemate as was with Korea and Vietnam. Of course, the public didn't get daily talley's of today's dead and lambasted with every wrong committed by a few while ignoring the good committed by the majority.
Some were protesting even before the fighting began, if you remember. I'd just like to see accurate reporting from the media and hear from those who are supporting the cause in Hollywood. That would be fair and balanced and make me think they had joined our side. Pardon me if I don't hold my breath, though. |
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fortdixlover
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| LewWaters wrote: | It's like I tried to tell many before the Iraqi war resumed. If all the freedom loving nations stood together against Saddam, I doubt there would have been a resumption of hostilities, Saddam would have backed down and complied with the resolutions. Likewise, if those on the left actually supported the troops, they would want the job done right and finished as soon as possible, not be crying for them to just leave it as it is now.
There were those in WW2 that were against our involvement in that conflict, but they never got a large enough voice to be heard by many. The media supported Roosevelt and WW2 and it was fought to a victory, not just a stalemate as was with Korea and Vietnam. Of course, the public didn't get daily talley's of today's dead and lambasted with every wrong committed by a few while ignoring the good committed by the majority.
Some were protesting even before the fighting began, if you remember. I'd just like to see accurate reporting from the media and hear from those who are supporting the cause in Hollywood. That would be fair and balanced and make me think they had joined our side. Pardon me if I don't hold my breath, though. |
Although science fiction, the Harlan Ellison-written episode of Star Trek, "City on the Edge of Forever" (co-starring a young Joan Collins) shows the outcome of too much leftism and pacifism. Namely, the Nazis developing nukes first and winning WW2.
Will the Left let Al Queda win the war for civilization?
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68716.html
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