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[NavyChief]

[debewley]

Navy Chief,
Thanks much and keep up the good work my friend.

I'm beginning to see a severe list in Mr. Kerry's Swift boat.

Though I've not posted much I've followed these forums faithfully. I know just how much you've contributed to this effort. You sir, are a great American.
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Served with US Army in Americal Division 2/69 to 9/70.

[NavyChief]

I'm happy to fight alongside so many other great Americans!

I can't wait to do my famous victory-butt dance when the election results are in.

- Chief
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Working with Senator Kerry four years in the POW/MIA Office left me thinking -- when did the man ever do any work?

[dmackto]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[JN173]

[cipher]

[azpatriot]

[SBD]

Maybe the story has something to do with Kerry sending his (criminal/lawyer) brother Cameron to Israel. He's acting like he has already won. I have never heard of a President Elect sending a rep to a foreign country and frankly, it does not sound like something that is legally ethical. Then again, he went to Paris and negotiated with our Enemy and got away with it.



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Kerry's brother reassures Israel of strong support
By Reuters

The brother of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry met Israeli leaders on Wednesday in an apparent attempt to ease any concerns about the U.S. senator's commitment to the Jewish state.

Some Israeli officials have fretted privately that a Kerry victory in November's election could lead to a shift away from Middle East policies of President George W. Bush, whom they see as more staunchly pro-Israel than any U.S. leader in decades.

A Jewish convert and adviser to his brother, Cameron Kerry was sent as a "surrogate" to reassure Israelis that the Democratic candidate was as strong a supporter as Bush, a source who helped arrange the trip said.

Kerry, who described his four-day trip as a "personal visit," met Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and opposition leader Shimon Peres in Jerusalem on Wednesday.

"My brother has been here many times and told me of his trips and has a very deep, personal connection to Israel," Kerry told reporters in Jerusalem. "I finally had the opportunity to make a visit and I jumped at the chance."

He also planned to tour Israel's controversial West Bank barrier, which the World Court declared illegal in a non-binding decision last week.

While campaigning for his party's nomination, Kerry angered Israel supporters last October when he told an Arab-American group the vast array of walls and fences being built through occupied land was a "barrier to peace".

Kerry's campaign has since taken pains to stress his pro-Israel voting record in the Senate, and Israeli government analysts have concluded there is nothing to fear if he is elected to the White House. But some Sharon aides worry that a change of U.S. administrations could jeopardize unprecedented commitments that Bush gave the prime minister in April to allow Israel to keep some West Bank land captured in the 1967 Middle East war.

"There are concerns in the government that Kerry won't be as pro-Israel as Bush has been," a Sharon confidant said.

Sharon had cited a scheduling conflict for his failure to meet the Democratic candidate while visiting Washington in April. Mindful of maintaining good relations with Bush, Sharon kept a low profile for his brief meeting with Kerry's brother.

Cameron Kerry - who converted to Judaism in the 1980s before marrying his Jewish wife - was accompanied on the trip by Jay Footlik, the campaign's senior adviser on the Middle East and Jewish affairs.

The visit was sponsored by the American Israel Education Fund, affiliated with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.



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SBD

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

THREE duplicate threads by a new member transferred to this thread:

[Hondo]

Chief:

I will adjust my posting when I have seen sufficient proof - here or elsewhere - to convince me I have good reason to do so.

I will grant you one point. Earlier today, I determined (after finally finding a complete and searchable version of the US code effective prior to 1994) that you are most probably right concerning 2x nonselection. The requirement for a reserve officer to be in active status for promotion consideration does indeed seem to predate the Reserve Officer Personnel Act, which became effective in 1996 and which established the requirement for each service to maintain a Reserve Active Status List (RASL). However, while the specific requirement for each service to maintain a formal RASL was indeed first mandated by ROPMA, the law in effect in the mid-1970s (10 USC 5891) seems to have required a USNR officer to be in active status for consideration for promotion. I say "most probably" above only because I have been unable to find a copy of the US Code as of 1976 or 1977 (the time frame when a USNR LT with DOR the same as Kerry would normally have been considered for promotion to LCDR). However, the amendments to 10 USC 5891 between 1976 and 1994 don't seem to have altered it materially.

I am not yet convinced, however, that a discharge upgrade is the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation for Kerry's receipt of an honorable discharge in 1978. IMO, I think it is still possible that a different board action - perhaps one allowed by 10 USC 6410, which allowed the SecNav, at his option, to convene a board to discharge officers from the USNR to allow for flow of promotion. IMO, a special elimination board convened at the order of the SecNav to purge nonparticipating USNR officers remains a possibility - especially if the SecNav ordered all reserve officers in inactive status to be returned to active status for the purpose of consideration by such a board. I believe the SecNav would have the authority to this. 10 USC 1162 and 10 USC 1163 would provide appropriate legal authority for any officer with 3 or mores years of service discharged as the result of such a special elimination board.

Again, I hope you're right, Chief. I'd love to see PROOF that Kerry did the "discharge flip-flop" (e.g., received a "bad" discharge before he received a "good" one). I've come to the conclusion that one of the two possibilities I though likely to explain Kerry's discharge probably isn't the case after all. Show me that the other one can't be the case either, and I just might be convinced.

Of course, a photocopy of an Kerry discharge from earlier than 1978 that wasn't an honorable discharge would also be sufficient. Preferable, even.
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse."
-- John Stuart Mill

[LewWaters]

For Jaynie59 or any one else interested in comparisons, copies of my own discharge orders are now posted at

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[NavyChief]

[dmackto]

OMG CHIEF you have done it to me again!

All ready for bed, checking the boards one last time and slipped right in there innocent as can be is this big giant teaser from you that will keep me up for hours!
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This is no time for ease and comfort. It is the time to dare and endure.
- Winston Churchill

[PowerPro]

Chief,

What a truly cruel individual you are!!!!!

I can't wait though... But it looks like I'll have to!


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Thank you SBVs & POWs FT! Your service to this country is incalculable!!!