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[Kimmymac]

This is a big deal. Well, let me qualify that and say it could be a big deal, if it is handled properly. These are the kinds of stories that grow legs and walk votes away from a candidate. Kerry has been somewhat succesful in getting away from the flip-flopper label, and he also has repeatedly called the President a liar.

Now he is shown to be a liar in the very area that he has repeatedly asked to be trusted in, and has had the most trouble convincing people of his trustworthiness with--the war in Iraq and the larger war on terrorism. And perhaps most damaging of all for Monsewer Kerry, he is telling the kind of lie that can only be described as both grandiose and self-aggrandizing. It makes him seem pathetic and/or mentally ill.

It is also the kind of thing you like to do to your opponent in the waning days of a campaign--you put him on the defensive and keep pushing him back. It is an utter momentum stealer.

This is good. This is very good.
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[sleeplessinseattle]

I sure hope you're right Kimmymac - your reasoning seems sound - it's the "handled right" part that I'm not sure about - with such utter and totally proven bias in the Lame Stream Media - how can we even begin to expect such a thing as a thorough vetting of this story with his records and other "claims?" That said, perhaps there will be enough buzz to keep him off balance and on the defensive for a couple days and heck, he's only got 8 left! That could be (as you say) good.

Meanwhile, let's not lose our part in this!

We need to ------>>
Donate to the Swifties,
"get out the vote",
distribute Stolen Honor as widely as possible,
talk with college students,
and people on the street corners
and all the other creative things people are doing that I've noticed on this board!

[redwood]

Watching the speculation re: WT article this weekend, I realized the true depth of the scumminess of this wannabe. How many different scandals was this crud involved in? He is a walking lie. He lies so much that proof of another lie is brushed off as "not having legs." We've come to expect it from him. I'm a bit afraid of what is going to happen after GWB wins. People who are willing to support this POS are psychotic.

[sleeplessinseattle]

[sleeplessinseattle]

[integritycounts]

The parallels to what John Kerry claimed, about Cambodia, are unmistakable

Video clip of Kerry making the claims at the debate http://64.91.230.181/~recycler/videos/seared.WMV

[God and Country]

Security Council members deny meeting Kerry
By Joel Mowbray
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published October 24, 2004

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U.N. ambassadors from several nations are disputing assertions by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry that he met for hours with all members of the U.N. Security Council just a week before voting in October 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq.
An investigation by The Washington Times reveals that while the candidate did talk for an unspecified period to at least a few members of the panel, no such meeting, as described by Mr. Kerry on a number of occasions over the past year, ever occurred.
At the second presidential debate earlier this month, Mr. Kerry said he was more attuned to international concerns on Iraq than President Bush, citing his meeting with the entire Security Council.
"This president hasn't listened. I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them, to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable," Mr. Kerry said of the Iraqi dictator.
Speaking before the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in December 2003, Mr. Kerry explained that he understood the "real readiness" of the United Nations to "take this seriously" because he met "with the entire Security Council, and we spent a couple of hours talking about what they saw as the path to a united front in order to be able to deal with Saddam Hussein."
But of the five ambassadors on the Security Council in 2002 who were reached directly for comment, four said they had never met Mr. Kerry. The four also said that no one who worked for their countries' U.N. missions had met with Mr. Kerry either.
The former ambassadors who said on the record they had never met Mr. Kerry included the representatives of Mexico, Colombia and Bulgaria. The ambassador of a fourth country gave a similar account on the condition that his country not be identified.
Ambassador Andres Franco, the permanent deputy representative from Colombia during its Security Council membership from 2001 to 2002, said, "I never heard of anything."
Although Mr. Franco was quick to note that Mr. Kerry could have met some members of the panel, he also said that "everything can be heard in the corridors."
Adolfo Aguilar Zinser, Mexico's then-ambassador to the United Nations, said: "There was no meeting with John Kerry before Resolution 1441, or at least not in my memory."
All had vivid recollections of the time frame when Mr. Kerry traveled to New York, as it was shortly before the Nov. 7, 2002, enactment of Resolution 1441, which said Iraq was in "material breach" of earlier disarmament resolutions and warned Baghdad of "serious consequences as a result of its continued violations."
Stefan Tafrov, Bulgaria's ambassador at the time, said he remembers the period well because it "was a very contentious time."
After conversations with ambassadors from five members of the Security Council in 2002 and calls to all the missions of the countries then on the panel, The Times was only able to confirm directly that Mr. Kerry had met with representatives of France, Singapore and Cameroon.
In addition, second-hand accounts have Mr. Kerry meeting with representatives of Britain.
When reached for comment last week, an official with the Kerry campaign stood by the candidate's previous claims that he had met with the entire Security Council.
But after being told late yesterday of the results of The Times investigation, the Kerry campaign issued a statement that read in part, "It was a closed meeting and a private discussion."
A Kerry aide refused to identify who participated in the meeting.
The statement did not repeat Mr. Kerry's claims of a lengthy meeting with the entire 15-member Security Council, instead saying the candidate "met with a group of representatives of countries sitting on the Security Council."
Asked whether the international body had any records of Mr. Kerry sitting down with the whole council, a U.N. spokesman said that "our office does not have any record of this meeting."
A U.S. official with intimate knowledge of the Security Council's actions in fall of 2002 said that he was not aware of any meeting Mr. Kerry had with members of the panel.
An official at the U.S. mission to the United Nations remarked: "We were as surprised as anyone when Kerry started talking about a meeting with the Security Council."
Jean-David Levitte, then France's chief U.N. representative and now his country's ambassador to the United States, said through a spokeswoman that Mr. Kerry did not have a single group meeting as the senator has described, but rather several one-on-one or small-group encounters.
He added that Mr. Kerry did not meet with every member of the Security Council, only "some" of them. Mr. Levitte could only name himself and Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock of Britain as the Security Council members with whom Mr. Kerry had met.
One diplomat who met with Mr. Kerry in 2002 said on the condition of anonymity that the candidate talked to "a few" ambassadors on the Security Council.
The revelation that Mr. Kerry never met with the entire U.N. Security Council could be problematic for the Massachusetts senator, as it clashes with one of his central foreign-policy campaign themes -- honesty.
At a New Mexico rally last month, Mr. Kerry said Mr. Bush will "do anything he can to cover up the truth." At what campaign aides billed as a major foreign-policy address, Mr. Kerry said at New York University last month that "the first and most fundamental mistake was the president's failure to tell the truth to the American people."
In recent months, Mr. Kerry has faced numerous charges of dishonesty from Vietnam veterans over his war record, and his campaign has backtracked before from previous statements about Mr. Kerry's foreign diplomacy.
For example, in March, Mr. Kerry told reporters in Florida that he'd met with foreign leaders who privately endorsed him.
"I've met with foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly," he said. "But, boy, they look at you and say: 'You've got to win this. You've got to beat this guy. We need a new policy.' "
But the senator refused to document his claim and a review by The Times showed that Mr. Kerry had made no official foreign trips since the start of 2002, according to Senate records and his own published schedules. An extensive review of Mr. Kerry's domestic travel schedule revealed only one opportunity for him to have met foreign leaders here.
After a week of bad press, Kerry foreign-policy adviser Rand Beers said the candidate "does not seek, and will not accept, any such endorsements."
The Democrat has also made his own veracity a centerpiece of his campaign, calling truthfulness "the fundamental test of leadership."
Mr. Kerry closed the final debate by recounting what his mother told him from her hospital bed, "Remember: integrity, integrity, integrity."
In an interview published in the new issue of Rolling Stone magazine, Mr. Kerry was asked what he would want people to remember about his presidency. He responded, "That it always told the truth to the American people."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20041024-110609-9428r


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[RMalloy]

Reminds me of a very close collegue of Kerry's, Joe Biden, when he
was running in the Democratic Presidential Primaries against Dukakis.
It was discovered (leaked actually by Dukakis's campaign manager,
Joe Sasso, who now works for Kerry) that Biden had plagiarized speeches
from the then Labor Party politician, Neil Kinnock, of England. Biden
stayed in the game until more facts emerged, he had plagiarized his
work in law school, by then he removed himself from the race.
Biden has been very vocal about Bush not telling us the truth.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[zinfella]

[hanna]

They reported the Washington Times story about Kerry lying about meeting with the Security Council on FOX at the top of the hour...midnight.

Kerry campaign is claiming "It was a private meeting". Lets see how much cotton candy we get out of this spin session.

[integritycounts]

John Kerry:
"Secondly, I spent a lot of time before the vote looking at this issue. I went up to the United Nations at the request of some friends. And I met with the entire Security Council in a room just like this at a table like this. I spent two hours with them. (inaudible), just me and the Security Council, asking them questions. The French ambassador, "Is there a time when President Chirac would be ready to come on board? What do we need to do to move the French people to a place where they understand the stakes? Are you prepared to spend money? Do you believe we might have to use force in order to disarm Saddam Hussein? At what point would you be ready to do that?" I went through that with all of them. And I left there convinced that the U.N. was prepared to be deadly serious about this. Kofi Annan is a friend of mine. I've talked to him many times, most recently in the last weeks. "

Source: Boston Globe Interview http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/interview/

[zinfella]

[Proud of my VietVet Dad!]

[Stevie]

Chief,

my eyes are gone also.... actually I'm only seeing wih 1 1/2 eyes anyway!

it boggles the mind..... talk about paperwork!!!!!!!!

I did see similarity with Kerry.... dodging, lying, moving on.... lifting papers..... thought maybe Kerry had read this and used as his playbook....

ran across name George Halpern.... but don't think that is same spelling as abc halperin... (see)....

could have changed spelling to throw us off.....

oh dear.... we can't get his records as is... let alone this transmittal letter!
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Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged.