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Anker-Klanker
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| Quote: | | If the MSM is willing to be this blatant about destroying any semblence of honesty they have left I fear what these last few campaign days--not to mention the future of news in general--may hold. |
Amen!! The leading MSM (NYT, WaPo, Boston Globe, LAT, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) have all shown their true colors in the last few weeks. They no longer even try to keep up the pretense of being unbiased and objective; they've pretty much decided to pull out all the stops and become propaganda arms of the Kerry campaign. There was even media talk about this possibility months ago.
So with that in mind, prepare yourself for a continued assault in the next few days.
Another thing that I've come to realize is that this election is not about Bush vs. Kerry. As far as the liberal left is concerned this election is about leftist liberal agenda (now referred to as "progressive") vs. traditional (conservative) agenda. It's a cultural and idealogical war. The liberal elitist media has always been on the side of the "progressive" agenda, and apparently they think it's a now or never situation. |
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ccwebb
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Anker-Klanker
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, Dr Kay, who last week resigned as head of the Iraq Survey Group, said that he had uncovered evidence that unspecified materials had been moved to Syria shortly before last year's war to overthrow Saddam.
"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons," he said. "But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD programme. Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved." |
Good. Now go back to this thread:
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14368
and this one:
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13930
The money and the WMDs have probably gone to Syria. The EU (meaning France, first) has completed a deal with Syria. We know that someone in the UN supposed "leaked" the missing explosives (and WMD) story to the NYT. People in the UN badly want to embarass GWB. Kerry's in bed with all of them.
See how it all ties together? And you won't find a front-page story in NYT, LAT, WaPo, and Boston Globe on either the Syrian money or on the fact that the EU came to an agreement with Syria. |
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Otis
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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I just fired off a letter to the editor of our local paper. It reads:
Thank you for running the latest NYT hit piece. I noticed the "report" doesn't mention any date as to when these 380 tons of explosives came missing. The fact is this happened in April of 2003. According to NBCNEWS these explosives were already missing when our troops first arrived at the site a year and a half ago during the war. This is a none story. It's only purpose was to give the president a black eye. The real story here is the glaring collusion between CBS the New York Times and the Kerry campaign. Does your newspaper have the kajones to write that story?
I strongly urge all of you to write letters to the editor of your local papers.
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Son of a VET
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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This is on the Johns  web site.
| Quote: | New Kerry Ad on Bush Failure to Secure Explosives /Misjudgments that Have Made America Less Secure
For Immediate Release
Watch the Ad: "Obligation"
Washington, DC - The Kerry-Edwards campaign released the new television ad “Obligation” Tuesday. Emphasizing that it is the obligation of a Commander-in-Chief to keep our country safe, the 30-second television spot focuses on George W. Bush’s misjudgments that have put our soldiers at risk and made America less secure, including his failure to secure 380 tons of explosives in Iraq.
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Here is the ad: http://www.johnkerry.com/video/console.php?video=102604_obligation
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/102604_obligation.html
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Son of a VET
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Fox is all over this story. I hope kerry is dumb enough to run the ad.
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Otis
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Son of a VET wrote: | | Fox is all over this story. I hope kerry is dumb enough to run the ad. |
He is.
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Son of a VET
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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This on FoxNews.com :
| Quote: | Kerry Blasts Bush on Missing Ammo
Tuesday, October 26, 2004
GREEN BAY, Wis. — John Kerry (search) accused President Bush (search) on Tuesday of trying to cover up bad decisions and alluded to the possibility that there's still bad news yet to be uncovered.
"Mr. President, what else are you being silent about? What else are you keeping from the American people?" Kerry said during a speech in Green Bay, referring to the estimated 380 tons of highly explosive material that have gone missing from an arms depot in Iraq.
Although Kerry and the Democrats are blaming the Bush administration for losing the ammo, calling it "one of the great blunders" of the Iraq war, recent reports by NBC show that the material was gone from that locale when the 101st Airborne Division rolled into Iraq to depose of Saddam Hussein
Kerry also vowed in his Green Bay speech that he wouldn't relent when it comes to pursuing the War on Terror (search).
"We will hunt down, capture, kill and destroy terrorists … I will never give any other nation or any other organization a veto over the security over the United States of America," the Democratic candidate said.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136581,00.html
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shawa
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Anker-Klanker:
Another thing that I've come to realize is that this election is not about Bush vs. Kerry. As far as the liberal left is concerned this election is about leftist liberal agenda (now referred to as "progressive") vs. traditional (conservative) agenda. It's a cultural and idealogical war. The liberal elitist media has always been on the side of the "progressive" agenda, and apparently they think it's a now or never situation.
You are so right!! The liberal MSM don't really like Kerry but they have
to sink or swim with him, they see it as life or death for their leftist,
anti-America agenda!
All of the MSM have united in their war on Conservatives.
They no longer see each other as competitors but colleagues in
a war to defend their agenda. They are a band of brothers joined
in a collective conspiracy. It is obvious in what they choose to
report, but more importantly in what they choose NOT TO REPORT!!!
In the old days, news organizations saw each other as
competitors. They would be anxious to beat the other guy, to
jump on a competitor when they are wrong.
Now, they are in league with each other and their
paramount concern is the preservation of The Agenda.
God Help Our Country. |
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twicearound
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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This story may not be over yet, read this, ElBaradei as uped the anti and and ax to grind, quid-pro-quo?
| Kerry Spot wrote: | MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT IAEA COMPETENCE IN IRAQ [10/26 03:20 PM]
Hmm. We read from MSNBC that Mohamed ElBaradei is making a full-court press, insisting these explosives were taken by looters after the invasion (how can he know for certain?):
In a letter to the U.N. Security Council on Monday, IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei attributed the disappearance to a “lack of security” at Al-Qaqaa after the U.S.-led war in Iraq broke out in March 2003...
ElBaradei told the council the IAEA had kept the theft quiet since learning of it from Iraqi authorities on Oct. 10 to give the U.S.-led multinational force and Iraq’s interim government “an opportunity to attempt to recover the explosives before this matter was put into the public domain.”
But since the disappearance was reported by the New York Times on Monday, he said he wanted the Security Council to have the letter that he received from Mohammed J. Abbas, a senior official at Iraq’s Ministry of Science and Technology, reporting the theft of the explosives.
The materials were lost through “the theft and looting of the governmental installations due to lack of security,” the letter said.
ElBaradei’s cover letter to the council said that the HMX had been under IAEA seal and that the RDX and PETN were “both subject to regular monitoring of stock levels.”
“The presence of these amounts was verified by the IAEA in January 2003,” he said.
Ah, but the thing is, according to the IAEA itself, things under IAEA seal in Iraq had a tendency to disappear. Let's take a look at this report from 1997:
Iraq has returned high explosives it had removed from the Al Qa Qaa facility, according to the Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
In a letter to the United Nations Secretary-General, Mohamed Elbaradei says that in accordance with its notification of IAEA, Iraq had removed IAEA seals from five of the six high-explosive bunkers at the Al Qa Qaa facility and dispersed approximately 50 tonnes out of a total of 228 tonnes of high explosives (HMX) to other locations at Al Qa Qaa. Mr. Elbaradei says that IAEA inspectors have witnessed the return of this material to its original storage location and have taken measures to account for the original inventory. "There are no indications that any of this material has been diverted", the IAEA Director-General says.
In addition to these activities, other IAEA personnel and experts from United Nations Member States have serviced and upgraded the video surveillance systems at two facilities. They have also carried out an extensive campaign for the collection of environmental samples...
Following an impasse caused by Iraq's objection to the United Nations weapons inspectors, IAEA inspectors returned to Baghdad on 21 November and resumed their inspections the following day.
Notice that this message doesn't say anything about why the Iraqis broke the seal and moved these explosives. The tough, watchful eyes of the IAEA state, "Don't worry, we found it and the Iraqis put it back."
All of this comes as Captain Ed and one of his readers, retired Army Reserve Captain Ian Dodgson have used simple logic to determine what it would take to remove all of these explosives.
They conclude this operation would take the resources of approximately 100 men, for a period longer than two weeks, the intelligence to know exactly where the "right" explosives were hidden and a means of breaching steel doors and concrete of an Army Supply Plant.
But all this was pulled off by a bunch of looters, right under the noses of the coalition forces in the area. Right.
WHAT ODD TIMING BY MR. ELBARADEI! [10/26 03:04 PM]
Well, isn’t this interesting?
Agence France Presse, Sep 27, 2004:
A new board of governors of the UN nuclear watchdog met in Vienna Monday to draw up procedures for electing a new director general, with current chief Mohamed ElBaradei seeking a third term despite US opposition.
ElBaradei put his hat into the ring for a third term as director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) earlier this month despite opposition from the United States and possibly other top UN funding states.
His current four-year term expires on November 30 next year, and US officials have said the United States, the largest contributor to the United Nations, supports the position of the Geneva group of top 10 contributors that heads of international organizations should not serve more than two terms.
"This policy has nothing to do with the director general's qualifications. The United States thinks that he's done a very good job leading the agency at a very difficult time, but it's simply a matter of principle and good governance," a Western official familiar with the US position said...
Applications for candidacies will close by December 31 and the board will seek to have the new director general named by a meeting in June 2005, in order to be formally elected at the next IAEA general conference in September
The director's general's new term would begin on December 1, 2005.
(ElBaradei has had this job since 1997 — hey, wasn’t that a year before India and Pakistan announced they had the bomb? And since then we’ve seen North Korea dishonor its treaties and get nukes, the A.Q. Khan network try to sell nuclear material to any and all buyers, and Iran is on the nuclear doorstep. This is a “very good job”? How bad do you have to be to get fired around here? What is this, “Mary Mapes rules”?)
Anyway, so in late September, the United States makes clear it doesn’t want a third term for ElBaradei. We read in the New York Times story that started all this:
“In May, an internal I.A.E.A. memorandum warned that terrorists might be helping "themselves to the greatest explosives bonanza in history…
Early this month, Dr. ElBaradei put public pressure on the interim Iraqi government to start the process of accounting for nuclear-related materials still ostensibly under I.A.E.A. supervision, including the Qaqaa stockpile.
"Iraq is obliged," he wrote to the president of the Security Council on Oct. 1, "to declare semiannually changes that have occurred or are foreseen."
The agency, Dr. ElBaradei added pointedly, "has received no such notifications or declarations from any state since the agency's inspectors were withdrawn from Iraq in March 2003."
Gee! In late September the U.S. says no third term for ElBaradei, and Oct. 1 he writes to Iraq demanding answers about this old weapons depot!
Then, in a memo that appears to be dated Oct. 10, the Iraqis respond that the explosives are missing… and it just happens to show up on the front page of the New York Times eight days before Election Day. An article that quotes a European diplomat as saying “Dr. ElBaradei is "extremely concerned" about the potentially "devastating consequences" of the vanished stockpile.”
I’ll bet he is! He’s so concerned, he felt a need to make this issue that he’s been quiet about since spring 2003 and press the Iraqi government for an immediate answer that he knows will make the Bush administration look bad!
One has to wonder - has John Kerry or a member of his staff indicated they would keep ElBaradei around for another term? We know ElBaradei wants a change in U.S. policy on his third term.
ElBaradei is doing everything he can to help Kerry. What’s in it for ElBaradei?
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Son of a VET
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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CNBC just showed the skerry ad and talked about the story not being true. They didn't talk much, but they did at least do it.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Anker-Klanker wrote: |
The money and the WMDs have probably gone to Syria. The EU (meaning France, first) has completed a deal with Syria. We know that someone in the UN supposed "leaked" the missing explosives (and WMD) story to the NYT. People in the UN badly want to embarass GWB. Kerry's in bed with all of them.
See how it all ties together? And you won't find a front-page story in NYT, LAT, WaPo, and Boston Globe on either the Syrian money or on the fact that the EU came to an agreement with Syria. |
You've got the right of it, AK. We have a lot of work to do even if Bush does win this election.
Our media is corrupt
The UN is corrupt
The EU hates us
And we have to do something about all three. |
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bergstrom79
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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The RNC needs to find a way to squelch this & embarrassing the LSM and Kerry at the same time. In our minds, it's already done, we know the score.
Those "undecided's" are a diff story, and this POS story has to meet the same fate as rathergate. Thank God this came out when it did. Anyone voting this week (early ballot) have their minds made up...not necessarily so for nov2 voters.
Hoping the bloggers dig deeeep on this one and stamp a big "L" on the LSM forehead for ALL to see. |
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Son of a VET
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Insurgents Hauling 380 Tons Of Explosives Not Exactly A Covert Act
Unfortunately for the New York Times, no one gave a thought about the logistics of the notion that small bands of insurgents made off with 380 tons of explosives under the noses of the Coalition with no one noticing. CQ reader and retired Army Reserve Captain Ian Dodgson got paid to think about logistics, and he did some "cocktail-napkin" math that escaped the geniuses at the Paper of Record:
We're familiar with the NY Times story and the IAEA accusations that the "missing" explosives were looted from the Al-Qaqaa military base due to US negligence in securing the facility.
If I were a guerilla "looter" and I was planning such an operation from a military standpoint, here's what the task would require:
Assumptions:
-Each "looter" could haul comfortably about 25 pounds per trip to a truck. (of course after 12 hours that would require superhuman endurance)
-I'd allow 5 minutes per round trip to the truck
-Work day 12 hours
-assume security breaks down 1 week after war starts (that allows 2
weeks before the US troops arrive)
-each pickup truck can carry about 1/4 ton of explosives (I did a quick calculation based upon the dimensions and weight of a block of C-4 and the dimensions of an average small pickup) and it takes 15 minutes to either load or unload the truck.
-the secure hiding place for 380 tons of explosives is 30 minutes away.
Calculations:
-380 tons / [((12hrs/dayX60min/hr) / (5 min per load)) X (25 lbs per load) X 14 days] = 15 loaders X 2 = 30 loaders/unloaders
-30 loaders/unloaders times 200% for breaks, rest, inefficiency, etc. = 60 loaders and unloaders.
-380 tons / [(12hrs/day / 1 hr/round trip,load,unload) X (.25 tons per trip) X 14 days] = 10 trucks and drivers X 1.5 (contingency) = 15 trucks and drivers.
-4 trucks + 10-15 men to supply water, food and other logistical
requirements
Total = 19-20 trucks, 90 men working continuously for two weeks to "loot" facility.
Bottom line this operation would take the resources of AN ENTIRE COMPANY (approx. 100 men) OVER TWO WEEKS, good Intel to know exactly where the "right" explosives were hidden and a means of breaching huge steel doors and concrete of an ASP.
And all of this would have to be done in an area with numerous intel overflights that would be looking for exactly this kind of activity in the combat zone, and not get noticed at all. Like so much of what the New York Times, CBS, and the Kerry campaign feeds us ... it just doesn't add up.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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They hate us because the conservative ideology is winning...
The liberal establishment has realized--or perhaps always known--it could never win hearts and minds, only pray on fears and materialistic addictions. So they do what they have to, deflect, delay, complain, obfuscate, obsess, attack, and lie. And all of this is justified to them because they are fighting for the greater good after all...  |
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