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Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | Quote: | | Not to worry, I'm sure that someone archived a copy of the original transcript - it's been posted several times right here on this board. |
ORIGINAL VERSION WITH DOCUMENTS ADMISSION IN RED: NETWORK SHOW AND TIME-DATE STAMP AND COPYRIGHT STAMP, WITH LINKS.
MSNBC.com
Sen. Kerry: Nation 'is polarized'
The challenger on Iraq's missing explosives and Mary Cheney
By Tom Brokaw
Anchor & Nightly News Managing Editor
NBC News
Updated: 6:41 p.m. ET Oct. 28, 2004
After starting his day in Ohio, Sen. Kerry brought his campaign to Madison, Wisconsin and one of the largest crowds of the election: more than 80,000 people.
But "the Boss," Bruce Springsteen, may have had something to do with the turnout. He's been raising money for Kerry at concerts and now — in the final days — he's bringing him on, like a rock star.
In his appearances Friday, Kerry hit hard on Iraq and economic issues. When we sat down for a formal interview, he continued on the same themes — dismissing suggestions that voters still are not enthusiastic about him.
Tom Brokaw: Senator, if things are so wrong in Iraq and in America, why is this election still so close, just the weekend before Election Day?
Sen. John Kerry: Because it's polarized. And because the Bush campaign has mostly run a very negative campaign to push the hot buttons of polarization. So it's very hard. Particularly when you're a nation at war.
Brokaw: A number of people even in your own party, however, say, "look, it's anybody but Bush." They're still not warming to John Kerry.
Kerry: Well, I don't agree with that. Everything in our indicators show differently. The rope lines, the people that I'm meeting around the country. There's an energy out there.
Brokaw: This week you've been very critical of the president because of the missing explosives in Iraq.The fact is, senator, we still don't know what happened to those explosives. How many for sure that were there. Who might have gotten away with them? Is it unfair to the president, just as you believe he's been unfair to you, to blame him for that?
Kerry: No. It's not unfair. Because what we do know, from the commanders on the ground, is that they went there, as they marched to Baghdad. We even read stories today that they broke locks off of the doors, took photographs of materials in there. There were materials. And they left.
Brokaw: The flip side of that is that if you had been president, Saddam Hussein would still be in power. Because you...
Kerry: Not necessarily at all.
Brokaw: But you have said you wouldn't go to war against him...
Kerry: That's not true. Because under the inspection process, Saddam Hussein was required to destroy those kinds of materials and weapons.
Brokaw: But he wasn't destroying them...
Kerry: But that's what you have inspectors for. And that's why I voted for the threat of force. Because he only does things when you have a legitimate threat of force. It's absolutely impossible and irresponsible to suggest that if I were president, he wouldn't necessarily be gone. He might be gone. Because if he hadn't complied, we might have had to go to war. And we might have gone to war. But if we did, I'll tell you this, Tom. We'd have gone to war with allies in a way that the American people weren't carrying the burden. And the entire world would have understood why we were doing it.
Brokaw: Let me ask you about social and domestic issues. Your colleague from Massachusetts, Senator Ted Kennedy, says that he's proud to be a liberal. Are you proud to be a liberal?
Kerry: That depends on what the issue is, Tom. I've always hated labels. And I don't abide by labels. You know, I'm an ex-prosecutor. I've sent people to jail for the rest of their life. I've busted up the number-two organized crime figures' organization in New England. What does that make me? I led the fight to put 100,000 cops on the streets of America. What does that make me?
Brokaw: But you don't deny your liberal credentials.
Kerry: On certain issues, I'm a liberal, Tom. On certain issues I'm a conservative. I'm a fiscal conservative. I believe in balancing the budget. And we worked at it, and we did it in the 1990's. You know, like Franklin Roosevelt said, I really don't care if a good idea is Republican or Democrat. I care whether it works for America. And that's what I'm gonna do as president.
Brokaw: You're very protective of your family, and very proud of them, I know. Do you regret invoking Mary Cheney in your debate with President Bush?
Kerry: No. I…
Brokaw: You don't regret it at all?
Kerry: Tom, it was done with respect, and it was done with pure sense of admiration for Dick and Lynne Cheney, who I think obviously love their daughter and are very proud of their daughter. She's made it a public thing. He's made it a public thing. I could have and should have perhaps mentioned Dick Gephardt, who honors his daughter. And loves her, in the same way.
Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.
Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from. Brokaw: Do you think he's a smart man?
Kerry: I do. Yes, I do think he's a smart man.
Brokaw: Do you think too many people in your party underestimate?
Kerry: I think people have always underestimated President Bush. But I'm proud that in those debates, I didn't underestimate him.
Brokaw: Senator, I'm going to see the President over the weekend. Anything you want me to convey to him?
Kerry: Just say hello to him, and we'll chat on Tuesday.
Brokaw: I'll say to him what I'm going to say to you. Good luck.
Kerry: Thank you, sir.
Brokaw: Thank you.
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Kerry: 'America can do better'
Senator talks with NBC's Tom Brokaw as election approaches
By Tom Brokaw
Anchor & Nightly News Managing Editor
Dateline NBC
Updated: 7:54 p.m. ET Oct. 31, 2004
Senator John Kerry started his Sunday in Ohio, a state many people believe he must carry Tuesday to be elected President of the United States. His first stop was the Shiloh Baptist Church in Dayton. Saturday, the candidate once again responded to the tape of Osama bin Laden made public on Friday:
Senator John Kerry: "As Americans we are absolutely united, all of us. There are no Democrats and no Republicans, as Americans we are united in our determination to destroy, capture, kill Osama bin Laden and all of the terrorists."
We caught up with Senator Kerry on Thursday as he traveled from Ohio to another critical toss-up state: Wisconsin.
Tom Brokaw: "The conventional wisdom in both parties at the moment is, you’ve got to have two trifectas, you’ve got to win two of the big three, Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Florida and you’ve got to win two of the smaller three, Iowa, Minnesota, or Wisconsin. You buy that?"
Senator John Kerry: "Tom, I leave all of that to other people, I really do. I'm campaigning on what makes a difference to the lives of Americans all over the country. And it will sort out Tuesday night. What's important is I think that America can do better than we're doing today. That's what's important."
Brokaw: "What's also important to the American people is the integrity of the election system and there are lots of anticipations of things going wrong, votes not being counted right, people being rejected from the polls in both parties Are you confident that this can be solved on Tuesday or do you think this will have to be settled in the courts?"
Kerry: "Oh, I don't think it's going to be settled in the courts. You know, I've got 10,000lawyers who are going to be out there in America on Election Day working to protect people's constitutional rights. We're not trying to stop anybody from voting. We want to make sure people vote."
Once we got to Wisconsin, Senator Kerry was greeted by a huge crowd, 80,000 people who turned out to see him and not incidentally rock star Bruce Springsteen.
Brokaw: "Did you ever think you could do as much for Bruce Springsteen's career? I mean think about it."
Kerry: "It's stunning, isn't it?"
Brokaw: "He might be able to make something of himself! Are you at all tempted to get up there in the old Bill Clinton mode and sing along?"
Kerry: "I might play rhythm guitar, but I'm not going to sing. I know my limitations."
A short time later, I sat down with the Democratic nominee for an extended interview.
Brokaw: "In the final analysis, isn't this election really a referendum on terror and Iraq?"
Kerry: "No, not exclusively. No. Not exclusively."
Brokaw: "But primarily?"
Kerry: "No. Americans want to know that I will make the country safe. And I've shown, each step of the way, how I can do a better job than George Bush. For instance, George Bush went to war without the numbers of troops necessary. George Bush rushed to war without a plan to win the peace. He's pushed our allies away from us, and made it more expensive for the American people. Then, you get to the other issues: health care, education, jobs, paying people a decent wage, making America fair again. And I think people will understand, I have a better agenda than George Bush."
Brokaw: "They have been making sport of your comments in The New York Times that you want to reduce terrorism to a nuisance in America. Saying it's not a nuisance, it's a reality and we're involved in a war here. Was that the wrong choice of words on your part?"
Kerry: "Of course we are. Of course we are involved in a war here. And what I was talking about is winning that war.The president is the one who just the other day said in an interview that whether or not we can be safe is up in the air. That's a quote of the president. Well, I don't think it is up in the air. What I was talking about was how you make America safe, so that it doesn't bother us. So that it's not something that's in our lives, tearing at the fabric of our country. I will defeat terror."
Brokaw: "This week you've been very critical of the president because of the missing explosives in Iraq."
Kerry: "Uh-huh."
Brokaw: "The fact is, Senator, we still don't know what happened to those explosives, how many for sure that were there, who might have gotten away with them. Is it unfair to the president, just as you believe he's been unfair to you, to blame him for that?"
Kerry: "No. It's not unfair. The truth is, they were warned about the ammunition dumps. They didn't give the right orders. They didn't secure it. The ammunition is missing. Those are the facts. And it happened on this president's watch."
Brokaw: "The flip side of that is that if you had been president, Saddam Hussein would still be in power. Because you—"
Kerry: "Not necessarily at all."
Brokaw: "Well, you have said you wouldn't go to war against him. And he would have his hand on those 350,000 tons, or however—"
Kerry: "No. Tom."
Brokaw: "Three hundred and fifty tons, or however many it is."
Kerry: "No, that's not true. Because under the inspection process, Saddam Hussein was required to destroy those kinds of materials and weapons."
Brokaw: "But he wasn't destroying them."
Kerry: "And we would, but that's what you have inspectors for. And that's why I voted for the threat of force. Because he only does things when you have a legitimate threat of force. It's absolutely impossible and irresponsible to suggest that if I were president, he wouldn't necessarily be gone. He might be gone. Because if he hadn't complied, we might have had to go to war. And we might have gone to war. But if we did, I'll tell you this, Tom. We'd have gone to war with allies in a way that the American people weren't carrying the burden, and the entire world understood why we were doing it."
Brokaw: "Are you committed to the idea of elections in Iraq? And if you're president, will you send in more American troops to make sure that they can be done in a secure fashion?"
Kerry: "I don't think we need more American troops. And yes, I am committed to elections. Yes, I am committed to success. No one has talked about cutting and running."
Brokaw: "The president says that liberty is not a gift of the American people, but that liberty is a gift of God almighty to every man and woman. Do you agree with his statement?"
Kerry: "I think everything is a gift from God almighty. Liberty, our life itself. All of the blessings of this country are a gift from God. But that doesn't mean that you can automatically make other people accept what you want them to accept. You have to bring them to the table in a thoughtful way. That's been all of history's truth."
Brokaw: "Let me ask you about social and domestic issues. Your colleague from Massachusetts, Senator Ted Kennedy, says that he's proud to be a liberal. Are you proud to be a liberal?"
Kerry: "That depends on what the issue is, Tom. You know, I'm an ex-prosecutor. I've sent people to jail for the rest of their life. What does that make me? I voted for welfare reform. I believe in the Second Amendment. I'm a hunter."
Brokaw: "But you don't deny your liberal credentials."
Kerry: "On certain issues, I'm a liberal, Tom. On certain issues I'm a conservative. What people need to do is look you in the eye and look you in the gut, and see what you're going to do to make their lives better. We need leadership that unites America."
Brokaw: "What Republican ideas do you like? And would you be willing to try to get moving forward in your Administration, if you're elected?"
Kerry: "Well, you know, I've supported faith-based efforts. I just don't support them the way the president defined them. But I think it's important to have faith-based interventions, whether it's counseling or soup kitchens, or shelters."
Brokaw: "You're very protective of your family, and very proud of them, I know. Do you regret invoking Mary Cheney in your debate with President Bush?"
Kerry: "No."
Brokaw: "You don't regret it at all."
Kerry: "Tom, it was done with respect, and it was done with pure sense of admiration for Dick and Lynne Cheney, who I think obviously love their daughter and are very proud of their daughter. She's made it a public thing. He's made it a public thing. And all I was trying to do was honor the reality that people are who they are."
Brokaw: "Someone has analyzed the president's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do."
Kerry: "That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it."Brokaw: "Do you think too many people in your party underestimate?"
Kerry: "I think people have always underestimated President Bush. But I'm proud that in those debates, I didn't underestimate him. I like the President. I just disagree with his choices. He chose not to give health care to Americans when he could have. He chose to block people importing drugs from Canada, when he could have done otherwise. He chose to create the biggest deficit in American history, so wealthy Americans could get a tax cut. I disagree with that value system. That, to me, represents the wrong choices for our country."
Brokaw: "Vice President Cheney says it's going to be 52-47 for their ticket. What do you say?"
Kerry: "You know, that's bravado. Here's what I'll say about Tuesday. I hope America comes out and votes in record numbers, because this is the most important election of our lifetime. And I believe America can do better. We can go to work. We can be stronger at home. We can regain our respect in the world. And I hope Americans will give me the chance to make them proud."
© 2004 MSNBC Interactive
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363856/
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I think we should call in.
While we are on the line lets mention his discharge and his collaboration with the enemy as the reason for the discharge.
PS It was my mom that saw it. When I got back from trick or treating with the midget she handed me a paper which she had written down what he said instead of what he should have said. She was on pins and needles waiting for me to get back to tell me.
I blogged it with screen captures and links should anyone wanna copy /paste or link to it either way.
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| Looks like Dmackto was the first to notice this, anybody feel like sending this off to the friendly blogs? |
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| Both versions are still accessible. Does anyone have a link to an MSNBC page that directs you to the edited version? In other words, are there active MSNBC pages linking to the edited version of this transcript? |
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d19thdoc
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Interesting . . . the original damaging quote was on Nightly News and is the shorter version of the interview. The longer, "full" version of the interview is the one from which this fact is edited - they shortened the quote for the longer version interview!
So they saw the damage only after the first broadcast and they damn well deliberately knew what they were doing taking it out.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/
On the right there are links for the Kerry Interview and the Bush Interview.
The link for the Kerry Interview goes directly to the edited version.
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I sent an email to Powerline with link to Dmackto's site. Good catch.
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Me#1You#10 wrote: | Quote: | | Both versions are still accessible. Does anyone have a link to an MSNBC page that directs you to the edited version? In other words, are there active MSNBC pages linking to the edited version of this transcript? |
Not clear what you are asking #1 - my post above has what you seek - I think??
I suspect the original version will not last long on the NBC site.
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I just fired off an e-mail to NBC to let them know my displeasure. 
| Quote: | Hi,
I'm writing you because I am very upset about what seems to me to be concrete proof that your reporting is biased towards John Kerry. I hardly think that such partisanship in reporting the news can be considered fair or accurate.
MSNBC has two different transcripts posted online:
"Sen. Kerry: Nation 'is polarized'" ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354942/) from the Nightly News section of the website.
'America can do better' ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363856/) from the Dateline NBC section of the website.
Original question from Tom Brokaw:
Brokaw: "Someone has analyzed the president's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do."
Two different answers, at least according to your transcripts:
from "Sen. Kerry: Nation 'is polarized'" ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354942/) from the Nightly News section of the website:
Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from.
From 'America can do better' ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363856/) from the Dateline NBC section of the website:
Kerry: "That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it."
I've posted this on several messageboards, e-mailed it to Matt Drudge and taken screen shots so I have proof of your editing. I would like an answer as to why somebody within your orginization would edit the transcript to remove the comment about Kerry with regard to his military records not being public. As you know, this would be a complete contradiction to what Sen. Kerry has said all along regarding his records. Up until that point he had always maintained that all of his records were released. He then 'flip-flopped' in the Brokaw interview by finally admitting his military records are not public. The US Navy has said they still hold over 100 pages of Sen. Kerry's military documents but they cannot release them because he has not signed a Standard Form 180 autorizing them to release those documents. Sen. Kerry has been lying about his military records and your orginization seems to be trying to cover for him.
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| ord33 wrote: | | Looks like Dmackto was the first to notice this, anybody feel like sending this off to the friendly blogs? |
Already have done it. Used the Red Head's blog version.
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| More AMMO on thread "IT HAS BEGUN" |
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Absolutely amazing!
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| Makes you wonder even more if this isn't actually a take over attempt, a coup so to speak. |
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Looks like they also left out:
(In speaking of Bush)
Brokaw: Do you think he's a smart man?
Kerry: I do. Yes, I do think he's a smart man. |
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