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Rurik
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| I B Squidly wrote: | Socialism was the last sylogism of 18th Century 'Reason'. It was argued that equal political voice was untenable without equal economic voice. The American Revolution proclaimed, 'Liberty, Equality and the Pursuit of Happiness' (read 'Money'). The French revolt espoused 'Liberty, Equality and Fraternity'. Fraternity was vaguely interpreted as a share-and-share alike of some universal brotherhood in furtherance of economic equality. It was a disaster and snuffed the Enlightenment.
Both fascism and communism derive from the reactionary, anti-intellectualism of Hegel. He authored a metaphysics of spirit that denied logic, ridiculed reason and despised democracy. Marx derived dialectic materialism, Lenin made of this a Dictatorship of the Proletariate, Mussolini called it pragmatic activism and Hitler fashioned his Fuhrer as the focus of a Volks Geist. None of them thought people capable of self determination.
Regardless of where they fall on the spectrum all these movements subscribe to the same stratagems: poison public discourse with a mockery of reason (spoken loud enough and long enough) and deligitimize democratic institutions through obstruction and confusion.
As for the Democratic National Committee...... |
Both Leninism an dFascism deived from the failure of Marx's theory that the "working class' would form a self-conscious revolutionary mass movement. Lenin's answer was to substitute an elite vanguard party which would opreate in behalf of the proletariat. Mussolini, who had been a major Marxist theoretician pre WW I, chose a different solution of substitutiong a mass-mobilizing party based on the nation., and substituting various nations for the concept of class in marx. The downtrodden and deprived nations were to rise up against the "Plutocratic" powers instead of a capitalist class. Fascism is merely a heretical form of Marxism.
And most of our domestic radical movements are more closely alligned in styule with classic fascism, than Bolshevism.
See A. James Gregor, "The Fascist Persuasion in Radical Politics", Princeton, 1974.
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Beatrice1000
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| Rurik wrote: | | See A. James Gregor, "The Fascist Persuasion in Radical Politics", Princeton, 1974. |
Gosh darn it, do you know how many books I have to read now?  I've got slips of paper all over the place from this thread alone --on the table, sticking out of other books! But thank you all, anyway...
I'm starting to see signature patterns in the propaganda -- starting to be able to identify these people. They like to make themselves palatable - they use friendly names for their organizations, they hide their agenda beneath popular causes, they capitalize ideological phrases in their writings, they use each other, they all want to take down capitalism with some sort of dream of a perfect world emerging as a result, with them at the helm of course, keeping it all "in order" -- I am beginning to think that if you got 2-3 of them together in one room they wouldn't be able to agree on anything... except that.
I wonder -- they are fighting so intensely against the American Dream that most of us believe in and are living quite happily -- They are working so self-righteously towards their collective dream of a leveling of all humanity to an absolute equality so that no one has any personal property and all the evil big corporations are destroyed, so that all we have left are, what, little farms? -- and then believing that humankind is best served without having individuality and freedom, which are corrupting forces, that it would then follow that humanity naturally would share and share alike and all work as hard as each other for the common good -- that at heart and freed from selfish individual freedoms that society would produce millions of Mother Teresa's???
I wonder, if they love the idea of the destruction of capitalism & democracy so much, do they live what they preach? Or, is this just some dream for "other people," some abstract thought about the planet that doesn't apply to them. Do they not dare say that their plan will necessitate them or someone being the masters of the docile, happy, equalized people in order to maintain their new world order? How do they plan to keep people equal? Who decides who gets what? Do they personally share equally in their groups now? Do they live with no personal property at all -- and give each other half of what each has, make sure no one has any more than the other, not work for any corporations -- and have a committee of "equality guards" to keep the peace and wield justice amongst them? If they don't, then all their theories are meaningless - they are lying thru their teeth, dreaming the dreams of madmen -- What living or historical model do they use to prove to themselves that their radical, totalitarian ideas and delusional dreams would benefit humanity? What drives them on this quest for destruction..... How in the world can we stop them. |
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The dirty little secret of all Communist states that have existed to date is that they always become a two class system.
The average citizen lives in a world of scarcity with food, clothing, housing, health care, and education difficult to obtain and of poor quality.
Rationing is common, most people engage in black market businesses to survive. Long lines to purchase scarce things like shoes, soap, toilet paper, and meat are common. The equality of Communism for the masses is the equality of misery and poverty.
The party elites live in a seperate system with special privliges, seperate gated living compounds, special stores where they can buy unobtainable goods, fast tracks to power and privlidge, admittance to select universities, private hospitals, and all the while pretending to be just like the masses.
This was true in the Soviet Union, in China before they adopted Capitalism, and is still true in North Korea, Cuba, and Vietnam.
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Barbie2004
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Hammer2 wrote:
| Quote: | The dirty little secret of all Communist states that have existed to date is that they always become a two class system.
The average citizen lives in a world of scarcity with food, clothing, housing, health care, and education difficult to obtain and of poor quality. |
| Quote: | | The party elites live in a seperate system with special privliges, seperate gated living compounds, special stores where they can buy unobtainable goods, fast tracks to power and privlidge, admittance to select universities, private hospitals, and all the while pretending to be just like the masses. |
See any similarities to our system?
Many of us are forced to send our kids to "public schools." It was so funny to see Bill & Hill Clinton "pretend to be just like the masses" while Chelsea went to Sidwell Friends, all the while denying us "vouchers".
It was also interesting to read that when Chelsea graduated, she got a job in NYC starting at $145,000. Not bad for a 22 year old, even in NYC. Hmmmmm, seems like fast track to me.
Also, some time when you have a chance, take a look at the Bios of our infamous "elite media."
I am not suggesting that our system can be "completely" described by the quoted quotes above. In our current system, I do see a "middle class" and I also see a system where the "American Dream" is still alive.
On the other hand, I do see many similarities between our current system and the quotes above. And I also see us slowly, but surely, moving in the direction espoused by the quotes. That was the promise, or should I say, that was the "threat."
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Beatrice1000
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| Hammer2 wrote: | | The dirty little secret of all Communist states that have existed to date is that they always become a two class system. The average citizen lives in a world of scarcity with food, clothing, housing, health care, and education difficult to obtain and of poor quality. Rationing is common, most people engage in black market businesses to survive. Long lines to purchase scarce things like shoes, soap, toilet paper, and meat are common. The equality of Communism for the masses is the equality of misery and poverty. The party elites live in a seperate system with special privliges, seperate gated living compounds, special stores where they can buy unobtainable goods, fast tracks to power and privlidge, admittance to select universities, private hospitals, and all the while pretending to be just like the masses. This was true in the Soviet Union, in China before they adopted Capitalism, and is still true in North Korea, Cuba, and Vietnam. |
Yes, that is what I was driving at. Exactly. This is the reality. These are failed systems with regards to the "happiness" of the masses -- this ideology in general produces misery and death except for those in control. So their current models are N. Korea, Cuba & Vietnam (& was  - Iraq)... and their recent historical model was the Soviet Union which is still reeling from the joy of its communism... So how then does a person embrace this ideology as superior to democracy without denying the reality of what it actually is -- can't possibly be a mass delusion, yet people keep buying into it....
There have got to be a lot of people who have personal moral qualms about war, military action, self-defense - an aversion to conflict - who can see no justification for those actions on any terms -- these are not communists or nihilists, just regular people of a particular mindset wanting to protest what they see as wrong. For them, the ends -- democracy, freedom -- can never, ever justify the means if the means is military action.
...Then they see a banner in a parade "Bring the Troops Home" and dive headlong into that throng and lend their support because they are "against war" (in a generalized sense - which I see as a denial of reality as it is on the ground) and become unwitting marchers, side by side, with these numerous organizations that use mass protests as a tool to influence the media which in turn pushes out their message that "the masses" dissent -- using the groups they organize "against the war" -- as they are doing now, in the furtherance of their agenda to destabilize this country in an effort to remake it in their image -- which is, in the end, a failed state. The serious neo-communists, the ones that embrace their ideology deep in their soul, know exactly what they are up to and they must see themselves as the elite masters in their dream system as they would not want to be one of the suffering masses, i.e., they would not want to be living in the dark countryside of North Korea or standing in line for a loaf of bread.
What I find frustrating and increasingly stupifying is that when I find evidence, say an individual's own writing and personal history that indicates that they embrace communism and that they see American capitalism as an obstruction to world peace and that their objective is to tear it down (i.e., destroy the fabric of this country) -- and then point out to someone I know that that person is on a steering committee of a "peace group" that is demonstrating against the war and that we need to get this information out about them -- they think it's no big deal, that these people have no power, that communism is a thing of the past, and that I am out of my mind, or as I was told recently that I've "gone far right." So, if you say the word "communism," you are a radical I guess.
I can live with being called names and having my ideas and facts dismissed -- but in coming up against this denial and lack of interest from regular folks, I am disheartened (temporarily for sure) in my quest for an answer as to how to counteract these forces currently at play here and around the world. This current "anti-war movement" started a couple weeks after 9/11.. they've had 3 years to organize, and they already had a base with previous global anti-America organizations -- so I am looking for suggestions here. After we've understood what motivates them and what they believe and how they are going about achieving their ends -- how do we stop them. What can we do. Do we need to organize at the local & national level? If so, as we're all living our American dreams and working and struggling along, are we capable of organizing? I don't think I've ever seen the silent majority rise up against domestic anarchists -- except in this mission of the Swifts -- but with these "anti-war" organizations and what they are up to right now, will the internet be enough? What can be done. They have a protest scheduled for 1/20/05 and they are excited about it..... Can there be a counter-march, or is that the wrong approach? |
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Anker-Klanker
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| Quote: | | ...that communism is a thing of the past, and that I am out of my mind, or as I was told recently that I've "gone far right." So, if you say the word "communism," you are a radical I guess. |
Remember that these people have a long (and successful) history of disinformation! Yes, calling them communists dates you and brands you as some kind of out-of-touch, can't-quit-living-in-the-past right-wing fanatic. They have changed their name to Progressives. Same people, same objective, just a different name. But a huge percentage of the population of the US doesn't recognize this "disguise." So if you want to fight them, then one of the first orders of business is to expose the term "progressive" as standing for exactly the same thing as "communist," "socialist," "left-wing liberal."
This subject - no surprise - is deep, Deep, DEEP, and I'm probably already in over my head, but I will offer a few comments on the thread to-date.
I brought up the fact that the far right-wing has many of the same tendencies, tactics, and objectives as the far left-wing (progressives) because it at first confused me - as I expect it will confuse anyone else who wades into these shark-infested waters. Having recognized this fact, though, I think we can pretty much forget the far right-wingers: there are simply not nearly as many of them as there are far left-wingers (aka progressives); there are hordes of progressives.
The communists/socialists/far-left-wingers/progressives have for years infiltrated the social infrastructure into positions of influence in selected fields. This is where I think they are most dangerous, simply because they are so influential. The two areas that stand out are in the fields of education (particularly at the college and university level), and in the media (and particularly in the news end of it, though Lollywood can also influence the younger generations). The third area where they've infiltrated is the traditional area that has always been fertile hunting grounds for the communists is the labor unions. Labor unions seem to be on the decline, but they still exert lots of social influence through elections, and one labor union in particular strikes me as very dangerous: the NEA (because it is both a labor union as well as an influence on education, and because it seems to be the one labor union going against the trend, i.e., it is on the rise instead of the decline).
It seems to me that the first priority in fighting back, besides exposing "progressives" as modern-day "communists," is with the news media. The "news" has the power to produce more immediate results for their cause; labor unions and education-infiltration are rather slow-response mechanisms. Plus, as we've seen the news can cover-up anything threatened to be exposed, as well as launch vicious attacks against "the truth." In fact, "the news" protects labor union and education infiltrations, and all other fields where progressives have infiltrated (e.g., Civil Rights lawyers). If we could get rid of this shield, then the other elements would be exposed and fall much quicker.
So how does one do that? I don't know. But I think that researching the "roots" of the movers-and-shakers in the liberal news industry is a start. |
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| neverforget wrote: | | Amen. He is an enemy of our country and culture. However, there were a number of the same types who began at Berkeley in early 60's and branched out much too quickly. |
Kerry is a traitor of the worst sort. I am looking forward to the day that he is held up for treason and war crimes. |
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Beatrice1000
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| Anker-Klanker wrote: | ...Remember that these people have a long (and successful) history of disinformation! Yes, calling them communists dates you and brands you as some kind of out-of-touch, can't-quit-living-in-the-past right-wing fanatic. They have changed their name to Progressives. Same people, same objective, just a different name.
I brought up the fact that the far right-wing has many of the same tendencies, tactics, and objectives as the far left-wing (progressives) because it at first confused me - as I expect it will confuse anyone else who wades into these shark-infested waters. Having recognized this fact, though, I think we can pretty much forget the far right-wingers: there are simply not nearly as many of them as there are far left-wingers (aka progressives); there are hordes of progressives.
The communists/socialists/far-left-wingers/progressives have for years infiltrated the social infrastructure into positions of influence in selected fields....
The "news" has the power to produce more immediate results for their cause; ...If we could get rid of this shield, then the other elements would be exposed and fall much quicker. So how does one do that? I don't know. But I think that researching the "roots" of the movers-and-shakers in the liberal news industry is a start. |
Yes, one does not say "communist" in loose conversation -- but the disturbing problem in the instance I mentioned is that these were a couple of trusted individuals that have known me for a long time. I had not expected the knee-jerk response nor the surprised and somewhat dismayed look. Disappointing, but I am already past that.
As to the right wing/left wing discussion, don't toss it away just yet! There's something there. (was T. McVeigh termed far-right or just a renegade?) I found one para. in "Unholy Alliance" where Horowitz quotes Paul Berman ("Terror and Liberalism") and this issue is mentioned:
| Quote: | | By portraying his movement as a revolution of the oppressed, the cleric Khomeini was able to rally the support of the political Left in Iran and abroad. Consequently, at its inception the Islamo-fascist regime was supported by both the Iranian Communist Party and the international "progressive" Left. "In this way," observes Berman, "Islamism, treading a path that Ba'ath Socialism had already taken, acquired what Mussolini had pioneered long ago -- the revolutionary mixture of extreme Left and extreme right." |
I don't know a thing about Mussolini....
Appreciate your insightful comments about the infiltration of the social (& might I add, political) infrastructure. They are DUG IN. We need to loose the dachshunds and terriers on them....
I agree with you about the news -- it is an important, powerful tool for causes good and bad. But in addition to pressing against the shield of the media and peeling off the layers and hounding them and pressuring them to change with talk radio and the internet and print media, wouldn't it be wonderful if a new cable channel was to emerge and cause change by way of example -- a world news channel with facts, reality, good news and good works of peoples and nations given air time along with and in spite of the bad -- and PC & "fairness" out the window with a normal, reasonable person as host. Heck, I'd sit through a half hour watching Afghans rebuild their village or our troops paint a school. I'd love to see the day-to-day transformations going on in these new democracies. I'd also like to hear from the folks in the French countryside... or watch a political meeting in one of the "istans" -- (I'd even give up Hannity to watch that.)
Ha! how about a little segment every night that runs about 5 minutes where a person or organization of the rad-Left is highlighted and exposed by their words & deeds for who they are and what they have said & done and who their friends are -- Not as an attack, but as a FYI. (Sort of like what Nader used to do long ago with consumer alerts. Only this would be "Progressive" alert!) Just dreaming....  |
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Rurik
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: |
Gosh darn it, do you know how many books I have to read now? I've got slips of paper all over the place from this thread alone --on the table, sticking out of other books! But thank you all, anyway... |
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: | I'm starting to see signature patterns in the propaganda -- starting to be able to identify these people. They like to make themselves palatable - they use friendly names for their organizations, they hide their agenda beneath popular causes, they capitalize ideological phrases in their writings, they use each other, they all want to take down capitalism with some sort of dream of a perfect world emerging as a result, with them at the helm of course, keeping it all "in order" -- I am beginning to think that if you got 2-3 of them together in one room they wouldn't be able to agree on anything... except that.
I wonder -- they are fighting so intensely against the American Dream that most of us believe in and are living quite happily -- They are working so self-righteously towards their collective dream of a leveling of all humanity to an absolute equality so that no one has any personal property and all the evil big corporations are destroyed, so that all we have left are, what, little farms? -- and then believing that humankind is best served without having individuality and freedom, which are corrupting forces, that it would then follow that humanity naturally would share and share alike and all work as hard as each other for the common good -- that at heart and freed from selfish individual freedoms that society would produce millions of Mother Teresa's???
I wonder, if they love the idea of the destruction of capitalism & democracy so much, do they live what they preach? Or, is this just some dream for "other people," some abstract thought about the planet that doesn't apply to them. Do they not dare say that their plan will necessitate them or someone being the masters of the docile, happy, equalized people in order to maintain their new world order? How do they plan to keep people equal? Who decides who gets what? Do they personally share equally in their groups now? Do they live with no personal property at all -- and give each other half of what each has, make sure no one has any more than the other, not work for any corporations -- and have a committee of "equality guards" to keep the peace and wield justice amongst them? If they don't, then all their theories are meaningless - they are lying thru their teeth, dreaming the dreams of madmen -- What living or historical model do they use to prove to themselves that their radical, totalitarian ideas and delusional dreams would benefit humanity? What drives them on this quest for destruction..... How in the world can we stop them. |
Beatrice, you are realy catching on. To answer some of your rhetorical questions, I just say look around you, particularly at Kenwood, Wayzata, and Edina.
A Polish and a Russian dissident were conversing. The Russian said "If Marxism were truly scientific, they'd have tried it out on rats first." The Pole grinned and said "They did."
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: | | I wonder -- they are fighting so intensely against the American Dream that most of us believe in and are living quite happily -- They are working so self-righteously towards their collective dream of a leveling of all humanity to an absolute equality so that no one has any personal property and all the evil big corporations are destroyed, so that all we have left are, what, little farms? -- and then believing that humankind is best served without having individuality and freedom, which are corrupting forces, that it would then follow that humanity naturally would share and share alike and all work as hard as each other for the common good -- that at heart and freed from selfish individual freedoms that society would produce millions of Mother Teresa's??? |
You are entirely correct.
And no, they don't live what they preach. For they see themselves as The Anointed.
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Beatrice1000
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| fortdixlover wrote: | | And no, they don't live what they preach. For they see themselves as The Anointed. |
A few visuals/comments on kerry’s cultural legacy (Mr. Anointed: "no one has a right to question my patriotism"):
THEN: 1971
| Quote: | VVAW supported demonstration during the Washington Spring Offensive, April - May 1971 (Dewey Canyon, organized by kerry). Notice the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong flags.
More Dewey Canyon: VVAW demonstrators armed with toy rifles, stage guerrilla theatre with mock "search and destroy" missions and massacres of civilians: ** PICTURE **
The statues tell the tale: ** PICTURE ** |
NOW: 2001-2005
| Quote: | Summer, 2001: A long propaganda piece about military desertions and fragging, also includes suggestions for taking down America: “Harass the Brass!...”:
(Excerpts) ....the crisis that will be necessary to cause an irreparable break between the rulers & the ruled in the United States will come from a war. It will be a war the US can’t quickly win or walk away from, a war they can’t fight with a proxy army like the Nicaraguan Contras, a war with a devastating impact on the civilian populace of the US: a minimum of 5,000 Americans coming home in plastic bags. Protracted civil unrest or full-scale revolution in Mexico is one situation that could give rise to this. At that point widespread fraternization between anti-capitalist radicals and enlisted people will be crucial in bringing an end to this nightmarish social order.
An examination of what happened to the US military during the Vietnam War can help us understand the central role the “the military question” will play in a future revolutionary struggle. It isn’t a question of how a chaotic & rebellious civilian populace can out-gun the well-organized, disciplined armies of the capitalist state in pitched battle, but of how this mass movement can cripple the effective fighting capacity of the military, & bring about the collapse & dispersal of the state’s armed forces.
What set of circumstances can compel the inchoate discontentment endemic in any wartime army or navy to advance to the level of conscious organized resistance? How fast & how deeply can a subversive consciousness spread among enlisted people? How can rebels in uniform take effective, large-scale action against the military machine? This will involve the sabotage and destruction of sophisticated military technologies, an irreversible breakdown in the chain-of-command, and a terminal demoralization of the officer corps..... The “quasi-mutiny” that helped defeat the US in Vietnam offers a significant precedent for the kind of subversive action revolutionaries will have to help foment in the fight against 21st century capitalism.... our rulers’ power and their economy can be collapsed from within by the working class women and men whom they depend on. (Readers should please send copies of this article to any enlisted people they know.) ** SOURCE **
THANK YOU MR. KERRY for the "precedent".... -B.. |
| Quote: | No date on this, but here are excerpts from an article indicating that some on the rad-Left are trying to “disentangle the Antiwar Movement from the American Flag”: “..... The stark fact is that dissenters, no matter how noble, do not get to determine the meaning of patriotism. Although popular conceptions of U.S. history suggest that patriotism is about freedom, democracy, and creating a better world, in reality it has largely been used by the state to thwart the realization of these ideals .....
If we want to invoke the liberatory dimensions of U.S. history... then let’s look to the New England tradition of town meetings, .. the community self-help programs of the Black Panthers, & the movements to contest and redefine notions of sexuality and gender,.. Let’s forget about appearing patriotic. Rather, let’s insist on the ability of all people & communities to self-determine & control their own destinies in a global society premised on cooperation & mutual aid. As the Italian anarchist Errico Malatesta once proclaimed, “Everything depends on what people are capable of wanting.”
** SOURCE - PDF ** |
| Quote: | 1/19/03 - A.N.S.W.E.R.: Washington, DC:
** DC-Pic1 **
** DC-Pic2 **
March 2003: NYC activists hang banner on Naval museum ship:
6/5/04 - Downtown LA:
** internationalanswer.org **
MASS DEMONSTRATION ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION: January 20, 2005 -- Washington DC
With joint actions in San Francisco & Los Angeles
“On the day of George W. Bush's inauguration for this second term in office - January 20, 2005 - there will be thousands of people all along the inaugural route in Washington DC demanding "End the occupation of Iraq - Bring the troops home now." Bush and the world will hear this message loud and clear from the people of the U.S. (The A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition has obtained permits for the Counter-Inaugural demonstration.)”
1/20/05 - Counter-Inaugural Demonstration: FLYER:
** NATIONAL ACTION PLAN **
“Thousands of activists around the country & around the world are committed to continuing to build the movement against the occupation of Iraq as well as the rising tide of public opinion to bring the troops home now. There will be additional educational events & rallies in support of Haiti, Palestine, Cuba & other important actions, as well as mobilizations on an emergency basis depending on political developments.”
Sample article at ANSWER’s website: In Memory of Yasser Arafat (11/11/04) -- Statement by the Free Palestine Alliance - USA
"In honor & remembrance of the passing of ...Yasser Arafat, the Free Palestine Alliance - USA, joins our people in Palestine & throughout exile in calling on the Palestinian & Arab community & all peace & justice loving people in the U.S. to observe 3 full days of national mourning, remembrance, & a steadfast of reciprocal solidarity & unity. We call on all to display on their homes, institutions & property Palestinian flags, scarfs, or other symbols of the Palestinian national movement for liberation and justice..... Today, and during the assault on Falluja and the people of Iraq, the Arab people bid farewell to a sea of victims from the hills of Palestine to the banks of the Tigris and the Euphrates, as the attempt to imprison Iraq intensifies....." |
Iraq veterans -- IVAW: 2004
| Quote: | NOTE: VVAW (kerry’s 70’s group, the mothership - still active), VAIW (Veterans Against Iraq War), VFP (Veterans For Peace) and IVAW (below): Common link to all 4 = David Cline
8/29/04 - Iraq Vets Against the War (IVAW) - New York City:
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Protesting the protestors: ** protestwarrior.com **
protestwarriors - their 1st sign:
From the protestwarriors “Gallery” -- San Francisco, 2003:
Commie 1: What shall we call our movement!?
Commie 2: How about "Marxist-Communism"!?
Commie 1: No! Remember all the suffering, death and destruction people associate with the 'C' word!? We need a more human sounding name...
Commie 2: I've got it! Marxist-Humanism!! |
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| BuffaloJack wrote: | | Nobody could ever take our honor away from us, but ourselves. John Kerry chose to abandon his honor and in doing so made it difficult for others to see the honor within the rest of us. The honor has always been there, untarnished and solid. It has taken 33 years to dust the dirt and debris from the honor we all hold, but it once again shines and will never again be allowed to be covered over. John Kerry's honor, though, cannot be recovered, he chose to throw it away. That was his choice, not ours, all we did was brush aside the tinsel and glitter that John chose to show instead of true honor. |
Wow!!! You summed it all up in one paragraph. So true. So true. Thanks for writing that....I could never have said it better than you. |
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Rurik
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Some very inisghtful posts above.
Marxism-Leninism was the marriage f Marxist economic & social theory to Lenin's ideas about the seizure and maintenance of absolute power.
threfore....
We should introduce some new labels into our academic and political discourse, such as
Environmentalism-Leninism, Feminism-Leninism, etc.
And remember, Lenin was never a pacifist; he denounced pacifism bitterly. Lenin proclaimed himself a revolutionary defeatist and actively supported the German Kaiser, even though a class enemy, because the Kaiser was the only one capable of defeating the Russian Tsar and making Lenin's revolution in Russia possible. (This appears to be the thinking among those people who support our enemies against us, regardless of who they might be, godless Communists, or radical Islamists alike)
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." - Marx
"From each according to his gulability to each according to his greed." - Rurik
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Stevie
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I've only made it thru page 1 or so in reading so far, but thought this would be the place to post something I heard on tv yesterday (I think) about David Horowitz:
He gave the stats for liberal teachers at our universities / colleges and said something about a piece of legislation requiring a balance of conservative teachers - I think we should jump on this and do what we can to get it thru...
the percentage was 90% I think...
If we don't change it, we'll just keep turning out more liberals....
maybe we should get some info from them and see how close it is to communist propaganda. anyone got kids in university? taking journalism? history? what other subjects would it affect?
I also heard somewhere (which means tv ) that the director ? or founders of the ACLU were communists. that makes sense with them fighting to get God out of everything public in our country (then they'll go for the private also) - I haven't taken the time to check it out (not even sure how to go about it). we need to stop this also.
just on news - some Canadian parliment person - Parish - got kicked off the main governing something.... for anti american remarks - seems she has been saying them for some time like : 'damn American bastards, I hate them' - that's a quote! wow! she can retain her place in parliment tho. and some white man with a talk show (radio?) called Coni Rice - Aunt Jamima and Colin Powell - Uncle Tom - he refuses to apologize - and
conkrite and linda ronstadt have weighed in on slamming us also! Ronstadt says we're all (republicans - or those who voted for Bush) Hitlers and this country is like Geramny! wow! she better take her kids from Tucson and move to Canada - fast! taking all her friends with her!
dasle giving his bye-bye speech ! yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaah!
I had another thought or 2 to post here, but already forgot what they were!
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fortdixlover
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| Stevie wrote: | I've only made it thru page 1 or so in reading so far, but thought this would be the place to post something I heard on tv yesterday (I think) about David Horowitz:
He gave the stats for liberal teachers at our universities / colleges and said something about a piece of legislation requiring a balance of conservative teachers - I think we should jump on this and do what we can to get it thru...
the percentage was 90% I think...
If we don't change it, we'll just keep turning out more liberals.... |
Horowitz actually calls not for a "balance of conservative teachers", but for an elimination of political considerations in university hiring and tenure decisions. That is, via his "Academic Bill of Rights" he actually calls for universities to live up to their own published standards.
The statement that he calls for "a balance of conservatives" (i.e., preferential hiring of conservatives via a quota system) is a canard spread by the Left to discredit their former colleague-turned-conservative. See www.frontpagemag.com and search on the topic "Academic Bill of Rights."
I am sadly reminded of the leftist infiltration into academia nearly everyday. In Yale's medical periodical "Yale Medicine" sent to alumni, there is an article about the McCarthyist conservatives in government ("reminiscent of a certain 1950's senator") actually demanding to know why taxpayer money is spent on projects such as teaching active drug addicts to be teachers of "harm reduction measures" in "active drug use sites."
Diversity in action.... drug addiction is just another lifestyle choice and should be respected ...
"How DARE our use of taxpayer money be questioned?" is the unspoken message of these elitists who feel entitled to such use and feel they are the anointed ones to judge same. Their sense of entitlement is palpable.
In the meantime, on leftists such as Kerry and his minions, I reproduce the following passage from http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/Comment/Nov04/index260.shtml (worth reading in its entirety);
The whole 20th century was a story of the charnel house, yet throughout, the self-appointed moral elect worshiped the icons of mass-destruction - Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, Che Guevara. "Islamism" appears ready to provide the 21st century with what Communism gave the one before; and the seedy old Marxist fellow-travellers of our media and academy have long since begun making their adjustments, and genuflecting to the cool new revolutionary gods. Their rhetorical hitlist consists of the same old suspects -- the decent bourgeois politicians trying to defend their peoples from harm: the Bushes, Blairs, Berlusconis, Howards, Aznars.
It should be said that the person who spits at the mention of George W. Bush, but weeps for Arafat, is beyond twitting. Such a person is sick in the head. He represents a form of judgement so totally inverted as to be indistinguishable from madness. And yet among our intellectuals, this inversion is commonplace.
-- FDL
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