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[GoophyDog]

Such wonderful utterings but way off the mark. Sure, its easy to blame the government for allowing this to happen - the government is faceless and nameless so it must be "them" that's doing it; or in this case, not doing enough.

Well, its not. The simple fact remains there are citizens of the United States who actively encourage illegal migration. Whether its by turning a blind eye, not getting involved, hiring illegals, or just by accusing the government, we each have shared in the blame.

To truly reduce the number of illegals in the U.S. there are certain steps we can take and to be frank, bolstering the Border Patrol is probably last on the list. Not in any specific order:

First, we must hold our elected officials, not "government", accountable. Demand and enact laws that clearly state that an illegal in this country DOES NOT have the same constitutional guarantees legal citizens have. We can ensure they have the rights of their homeland but not of ours.

Second, no more of the liberalized bennies. We spend millions each year catering to illegals with multi-lingual information pamphlets to voting ballots! One of the purposes of a lengthy naturalization process is to allow the applicant to LEARN the language and our culture before becoming a citizen. There is no encouragement to do so if we simply hand out free this or that in an illegal's native language.

Third, and probably one of the biggest steps we can take is to shut down the lobby factor. This is directly tied into my first point yet is often overlooked because it comes under the color of "reasoned debate". In each state where there is a large illegal working base, there are lawyers whose sole purpose is to lobby for increased benefits (#2) and for new ones (in Washington state they even passed a guarantee of education!). I tie this in with my first point because there ARE politicians who do have a name and do have a face who bow to this lobbying pressure in an attempt to stay in office.

Fourth, shut down the hiring of illegals by enforcing and yes, increasing the penalties under the law. Those who use an illegal workforce need to be shut down completely, not just fined.

And fifth, not because there aren't more points but simply because I'm running out of time this morning, each of us must stop turning a blind eye to what we know is an illegal activity. As mentioned in a post under a different topic, each of us can be part of a community watch. Just like the minutemen demonstrated, it doesn't take that much to observe and report and contrary to the detractors, its not vigilantism, just good citizenship.

While I may not have expressed myself as well as I would have liked, perhaps this summary will suffice:

We first make it public knowledge that we will no longer support those who enter the country illegally. Illegals will not be granted, given or otherwise allowed the same rights, privileges or benefits as we citizens. In brief, they are not welcome here.

We make it public knowledge that we will not tolerate those to come here illegally to work nor those who would employ them. In brief, they will not be supported.

We make it VERY clear to our elected officials that we absolutely will not tolerate representation contrary to those previously stated points and beliefs. In brief, they will not be reelected.

Each of us can do this. All we have to do is reject the nameless, faceless "government" label. Identify just one and put a name to the face, then express your disgust in their actions. There can be no hiding amongst the herd if we are to succeed.
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[PhantomSgt]

Well folks you seem to have touched all the points of how to fix illegal immigration.

The one thing America must never do is fashion another amnesty program for illegal aliens. This emboldens hundreds of thousands more to make the trip for the next round.

Arnold had it right when he said, "close the borders". It makes no sense to deport someone who can reappear in less than a week, only to disappear among the masses until they are discovered again. The revolving door must be shut down.

I once proposed a solution to the shortage of Border Patrol agents quite similar to the Minutemen project. Each year we train tens of thousands of troops at the National Desert Warfare Training Center located at Fort Irwin, CA. It costs millions of dollars each year to logistically move them and their equipment to the Warfare Center.

My idea was to extend this training while the troops and support equipment were already in place with an additional course. We paid to get them there, why not keep them for a while?

After completing their training scenarios at Fort Irwin the units would deploy along the border areas of California and Arizona to continue training with a course in interdiction techniques (this would have been useful in Iraq) until they are relieved by the next class from Fort Irwin.

The Army brings to the battlefield the tools needed for the job, such as night vision equipment, field gear, vehicles and the all-important Apache Helicopter with its’ variety of equipment to track ground targets. Since this would be a military training exercise the rules of engagement are quite simple, interdict border crossers, detain for questioning and transfer to the appropriate government agency after all useful intelligence is exhausted.

The deployed units would be under orders not to fire unless fired upon by hostiles, although warning shots would be allowed to deter escape from custody.

Detention centers along the border would be created to hold illegal border crossers to give the troops training in caring for prisoners in a field environment and to extract useful intelligence. This training, conducted in advance of going to war, might have stopped some of the cases of mistreatment that were observed in Iraq.

It can be said; “The view of an M-1 Tank on the horizon is quite a deterrent to an illegal border jumper.” and well within our rights to deploy in an effort to secure our Nation State.

So what do you all think? I didn’t get much of a response when I floated this idea up the chain. In fact; the sound of silence was deafening.







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[GoophyDog]

doll, my apologies. As I said, I may not be expressing myself as well as I should.

The gist of my post is that we must identify those who are undermining the law. We must put a face and a name to that "government". Only then can we affect change.
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[baldeagle]

It is a supply and demand problem.
Just as with the drug problem, where there will always be someone willing to run the risk of supplying as long as there is a demand (profit motive), the illegals will find a way to cross as long as there is a demand for their labor (there is that profit motive thing again)
Shut off the demand......severely punish those who hire them.........jail time........stiff fines........when the Los Angeles homeowner is hit with a $10,000 fine for employing the gardener or a maid.......or ........the roofing contractor loses his business for hiring them,........ the demand will dry up and there will be no incentive for them to come.
There could still be a Green Card program to allow a controllable number to enter for legitimate need, such as field workers, etc, but it can and must be controlled.
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"In a word, I want an American character, that the powers of Europe may be convinced we act for ourselves and not for others; this, in my judgment, is the only way to be respected abroad and happy at home." --George Washington

[srmorton]

Just heard on Laura's show today that Hitlery is poised to jump on this
issue to get attention amid the discussion of Bolton and judges. She
may be an inept politician in some ways, but she shows good instincts
in trying to co-opt illegal immigration to futher her own ambitions.
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[Tom Poole]

What a delicious thought. Thousands of Stryker infantry carriers training along the Great River with troops authorized to stop, not arrest -- stop, illegal aliens. What great great training and what a great statement to the world.
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[SBD]

FINALLY A CALIFORNIA REP WITH A BRAIN!!

California Border Patrol Is Proposed

By Robert Salladay
Times Staff Writer

May 5, 2005

SACRAMENTO — California would create its own border patrol of more than 1,000 officers and volunteers under a possible 2006 ballot initiative introduced Wednesday by conservative activists and a state assemblyman.

The California Border Police Act was submitted to Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer for legal review Wednesday, the first step in getting it qualified for next year's June ballot.

Its main sponsor is Assemblyman Ray Haynes, a Republican from Murrieta, who must collect 600,000 valid signatures for the initiative to qualify.

"The federal government has proven itself incapable of securing our borders, so it is time for Californians to step up and take matters into our own hands," Haynes said.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is not connected with the initiative effort and is not commenting on it, his office said.

Political consultant Dave Gilliard, who is organizing the signature-gathering effort, said the new immigration police force would report to the governor and hire 1,000 to 2,000 new officers at an estimated cost of $300 million. It also would allow the state to train volunteers to patrol the border.

The measure would ask California voters to declare a state of emergency on immigration and renew that emergency status in 10 years through another ballot measure.

Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez, a Democrat from Los Angeles, said if a new police force required "spending more state dollars, I think we have to take a second look at that because we do have to be fiscally prudent."

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