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Bob51
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http://www.godhatesamerica.com/sound/ghfsermons/Sermon_20050619.mp3
I thought I should listen to a sermon to see what this was about. The prosody and style is very familiar to anyone with a Northern Ireland background. The language would generally be considered "strong" in most circles with euphemisms such as "friggin" interspersed with "dyke-ass" and similar at regular intervals.
His most extreme statement was at the 58:00 time marker on the MP3 of the sermon:
| Quote: | | I'm not just happy, I'm deliriously happy, - everytime a soldier of the United States is killed in Iraq. |
I suspect the most militant Islamic preacher in a madrassa could pick up some tips from the Reverend Phelps. Worth listening to in its entirety to reflect on the "free speech" tolerance issue. In most other countries in a similar situation he would already be dead.
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| BOB51 - Well how bout' that - I can't even get on that site from my work computer! They have certain ones with questionable content flagged - usually it's porn - but for some reason the 'websense' page comes up and tells me no way. |
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Bob51
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Here's some "explanation". There's a lot more of this at http://www.baptistwatch.org/content/expose2.html
| Quote: | Mark Phelps feels nauseated whenever he remembers that night. He was hit over 60 times and his brother, Nate, over 200 with a mattock handle. Nate went into shock. Mark didn't. A boy who became a compulsive counter to handle the stress, Mark counted every stroke. His and Nate's. While their father screamed obscenities and his brother screamed in pain. Every 20 strokes, their mother wiped their faces off in the tub. Nate passed out anyway. That was Christmas Day.
Though he believes he should be the next governor of Kansas, Pastor Phelps has never believed in Christmas. A mattock is a pick-hoe using a wooden handle heavier than a bat. Fred swung it with both hands like a ballplayer and with all his might. "The first blow stunned your whole body," says Mark. "By the third blow, your backside was so tender, even the lightest strike was agonizing, but he'd still hit you like he wanted to put it over the fence. By 20, though, you'd have grown numb with pain. That was when my father would quit and start on my brother. Later, when the feeling had returned and it hurt worse than before, he'd do it again. "After 40 strokes, I was weak and nauseous and very pale. My body hurt terribly. Then it was Nate's turn. He got 40 each time. "I staggered to the bathtub where my mom was wetting a towel to swab my face. Behind me, I could hear the mattock and my brother was choking and moaning. He was crying and he wouldn't stop." The voice in the phone halts. After an awkward moment, clearing of throats, it continues: "Then I heard my father shouting my name. My mom was right there, but she wouldn't help me. It hurt so badly during the third beating that I kept wanting to drop so he would hit me in the head. I was hoping I'd be knocked out, or killed...anything to end the pain. "After that...it was waiting that was terrible. You didn't know if, when he was done with Nate, he'd hurt you again. I was shaking in a cold panic. Twenty-five years since it happened, and the same sick feeling in my stomach comes back now..." Did he? Come back to you?
"No. He just kept beating Nate. It went on and on and on. I remember the sharp sound of the blows and how finally my brother stopped screaming... "It was very quiet. All I could think of was would he do that to me now. I could see my brother lying there in shock, and I knew in a moment it would be my turn. "I can't describe the basic animal fear you have in your gut at a time like that. Where someone has complete power over you. And they're hurting you. And there is no escape. No way out. If your mom couldn't help you...I can't explain it to anyone except perhaps a survivor from a POW camp." Last year, Nate Phelps, sixth of Pastor Phelps' 13 children, accused his father of child abuse in the national media. The information was presented as a footnote to the larger story of Fred Phelps' anti-gay campaign. But the deep currents that lie beneath the apparent apple-cheeks of the Phelps' clan were stirring. A series of interviews with Nate resulted in an eyewitness account of life growing up in the Phelps camp. These reports contained allegations of persistent and poisonous child abuse, wife-beating, drug addiction, kidnapping, terrorism, wholesale tax fraud, and business fraud. In addition, Nate described the cult-like disassembly of young adult identities into shadow-souls, using physical and emotional coercion- coercion which may have been a leading factor in the suicide of an emotionally troubled teenage girl.
The second son, Mark Phelps, who according to his sisters was at one time heir to the throne of Fred, had refused comment during the earlier spate of news coverage. He and Nate have both left the Westboro congregation and now live within four blocks of each other on the West Coast. But, like the icy water that waits off sunny California beaches, the deepest currents sometimes rise and now Mark has surfaced with a decision.
"My father," says the 39 year-old, now a parent himself, "is addicted to hate. |
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shawa
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Navy_Navy_Navy said
| Quote: | | Same thing with these soldiers being buried - a huge show of veterans and their families surrounding the church or funeral home would make such an impact - a few ungodly protestors would look so pathetic in the face of hundreds of vets just standing there in silent witness and support of the families of the fallen soldiers. |
This is the answer EJ!!
A multitude of people turning out not only shields the family but also comforts them that so many respect and honor their fallen soldier.
Several days ago I attended the funeral of a 22-year-old Marine killed by a roadside bomb in Iraq. Better than half the population of our small town turned out and filled the church to overflowing. Veterans from the local VFW attended. A heart-rending and stirring funeral and burial with the members from the Lansing-based Charlie Company of the 1st Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment serving as honor guard and providing the 21-gun salute. Another Marine playing "Taps". After the graveside service, all of us in attendance filed past and laid a hand on the casket in goodbye.
I had noticed a seemingly large police presence (for our little town) but thought they were just paying respects.
Today, when I opened our weekly newspaper, I discovered the reason for all the Law Officers present.
From my local newspaper:
| Quote: | According to Livingston County Sheriff Bob Bezotte, a group of protesters from Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan. had plans to picket at the funeral service. County police first learned of the plans last week via the Church's website.
"They didn't show up, but we were ready for them," Bezotte said. "We had state troopers and four deputy cars out there. I am glad they didn't show up. It is outrageous! This man died for his country and for them to come and protest is a disgrace!" |
This Phelps is a total nutcase, and should be met with a massive showing of patriots who care and honor our fallen soldiers.
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, thank you so much for going to the funeral and letting us know what happened.
It's very touching that there was a full church - I hope it represents to the family members and friends that so many of their country stand with them and honor their loss. It's our loss, too.
Alone, we feel insignificant and helpless, but we CAN be there for our fallen and their loved ones.
Together, we could do these "small things with great love" for those who defend us.
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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These whackos are cowards. When confronted or if they know there will be significant opposition, they beat feet in the other direction like the vermin they seem to be.
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shawa
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:00 am Post subject: |
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You know EJ, it REALLY DOES mean a lot to the families!!
This is the second time that my husband and I have attended a funeral for a fallen soldier in our area. Last fall another young Marine, only nineteen, from our area was killed in Fallujah. The family expressed such gratitude
for so many people that they don't even know coming out to show respect and honor their loved one.
I urge anyone who can, to be present at these funerals, even if you don't know the family.
Our presence demonstrates in a small quiet way that we are saddened and grateful to them for their sacrifice.
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SOLTC
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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How could they even think of disrupting a military funeral in Marblehead?
They probably don't even know who John Glover and the 14th (Marblehead) Regiment were. The Navy happens to consider this Continental Army unit the forerunner of today's Special Boat Squadrons.
But this soldier was in Special Forces!
Maybe America's worst will find they can't hold a candle to America's Best! |
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