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wwIIvetsdaughter
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The followers of the "religion of peace" doused a woman on crutches with a flammable agent and set her afire. I guess yelling "Allah Ackabar" makes it hunky doorey.  |
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| GM Strong wrote: | Scott Ott gets it right again at Scrappleface (Remember folks, this is satire, no matter how real it sounds.)
November 3, 2005
France to Let Rioters Govern Themselves
by Scott Ott
(2005-11-03) After seven nights of riots by youth in predominantly-Muslim sections of Paris, French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin (who is a man)... |
She's a man?
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Uisguex Jack
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Well this does continue to heat up. The variance in coverage full of intrigue.
First off from Luciane... com (is this a blog? Im un familiar with it)
http://www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=244575
| Quote: | | Ever since America reacted to 9/11 by declaring and vigorously prose cutting a worldwide War on Terror, the usual suspects in the punditocracy have been smugly predicting that sooner or later the "Muslim street" would explode in anger and outrage. Well, it's finally happened not in the Mideast, but in the suburbs of Paris.--snip--Talk about chickens coming home to roost. |
From Pravda.... Who seem to be gleeful today:
http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/96/383/16414_Paris.html
this just a snip, the Pravda article is fascinating in its entirety.
| Quote: | Police harassment of and disrespect for immigrant communities has seen 40 cities go up in mass rioting by second and third generation immigrants, an explosion caused by poor living conditions, high unemployment, economic difficulty and worse still, an absence of hope for the future. Paris riots
The plight of France's immigrant community is the plight of millions of other people living in Europe, labeled because they hold a passport which states they were born in the right or wrong place.
A student born in Ceuta, Morocco, can go to attend a conference in Canada without a visa. A student born 100 metres outside Ceuta, in Morocco, cannot - he needs to apply for a visa from the nearest Canadian Embassy. If he lives in Portugal, this is in Paris. He will have to send his passport and 50 Euros and will have to wait for the visa to be sent by mail. If he receives notice of the conference too near to the date, he cannot go. Why? Because he was born the wrong side of a line, curiously enough drawn by Europeans on territory which is not European.
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From Le monde... translated by babel fish:
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3220,36-706865@51-698437,0.html
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180 French companies are shown to have enriched Saddam Hussein
R enault VI, Peugeot, and nearly 180 other companies established in France are shown by the Volcker commission, knowingly or not, to have poured tens of million dollars of below-of table to the mode of Saddam Hussein, in violation of the international embargo which struck Iraq before the war of 2003. According to documents' obtained by the investigators, within the framework of the program "Oil against food", the company Renault VI (Renault industrial vehicles, become Renault Trucks, from now on a subsidiary company of Volvo Group) with it would only have paid more than 6,5 million dollars of bribes. The Peugeot manufacturer is on his side suspected of having illegally poured nearly 7 million dollars. |
from al jazeera:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3CB45180-DE89-4803-BBA0-CEFE8C34FB2B.htm
Not worth reading as not once does it mention Islam. It does mention
| Quote: | | An incendiary device was tossed at the wall of a synagogue in Pierrefitte, northwest of Paris, where electricity went out after a burning car damaged an electrical pole. |
| Quote: | An attack this week on a woman bus passenger highlighted the savage nature of some of the violence.
The woman, in her 50s and on crutches, was doused with an inflammable liquid and set afire after passengers were forced to leave the bus, blocked by burning objects on the road, judicial officials said. |
And this:
| Quote: | France's Foreign Ministry, meanwhile, said it was concerned that foreign media coverage was exaggerating the situation.
"I don't have the feeling that foreign tourists in Paris are in any way placed in danger by these events," spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei told reporters, adding that officials were "sometimes a bit surprised" by foreign coverage. |
Hmmm.... that's funny, if you don't mind getting killed, or doused with petrol.
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Abderrhamane Bouhout, head of the Bilal mosque in Clichy-sous-Bois, where the youths died, said he had enlisted 50 youths to roam housing projects and persuade youths to stay out of trouble. |
Well that might be useful?
All this on Eid.... the big breaking of fast at the end of Ramadan.... Oh joyous day of the Beloved Islam, religion of peace.
One thing I'm thinking today is that by its construct Islam is a religion to be integrated into all aspects of governing, the Courts quite prominently.
As The United States of America has a clause concerning the 'separation of 'church and state'.... I see a direct conflict of interests and see no problem with Banning Islam here in the U.S. |
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Deuce
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| GM Strong wrote: | | .........The French are losing. |
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Can't be said often enough! At least this time it looks like they may fight for more than the 2 weeks it took them to surrender the Maginot Line! Could be they're finally growing a spine??
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GM Strong
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If they they don't started to show some cajones and take this on directly, the car bombs and murder will be next. This people don't want assimilation, they want to take over. Nine days now, they better start rounding these thugs up and shipping them back to Algeria.
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Uisguex Jack
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Ya got to wonder what the reaction will be when the make dust out of Cathedreal Notre Dam as was done with the Buddas in Afghan.???
Will they ask for rescue from the evil incarnate, G.W. Bush?! |
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GM Strong
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| Uisguex Jack wrote: | Ya got to wonder what the reaction will be when the make dust out of Cathedreal Notre Dam as was done with the Buddas in Afghan.???
Will they ask for rescue from the evil incarnate, G.W. Bush?! |
Maybe John F'ing Kerry. There's a thought. Presidential material for sure in France.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| Have you noticed that none of the Hollywood types - who just love France and their way of doing and thinking - has been heard from. Sean Penn, where are you now that France needs you? |
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PhantomSgt
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| Anker-Klanker wrote: | | Have you noticed that none of the Hollywood types - who just love France and their way of doing and thinking - has been heard from. Sean Penn, where are you now that France needs you? |
Sean is floating along the Left Bank trying to save French victims all while sipping a Latte.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:07 am Post subject: |
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viajihadwatch
Taheri: French rioters calling for reorganization of France into separate religious enclaves
| Quote: | WHY PARIS IS BURNING
By AMIR TAHERI
NY PostNovember 4, 2005
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Some are even calling for the areas where Muslims form a majority of the population to be reorganized on the basis of the "millet" system of the Ottoman Empire: Each religious community (millet) would enjoy the right to organize its social, cultural and educational life in accordance with its religious beliefs.
In parts of France, a de facto millet system is already in place. In these areas, all women are obliged to wear the standardized Islamist "hijab" while most men grow their beards to the length prescribed by the sheiks.
The radicals have managed to chase away French shopkeepers selling alcohol and pork products, forced "places of sin," such as dancing halls, cinemas and theaters, to close down, and seized control of much of the local administration.
A reporter who spent last weekend in Clichy and its neighboring towns of Bondy, Aulnay-sous-Bois and Bobigny heard a single overarching message: The French authorities should keep out.
"All we demand is to be left alone," said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local "emirs" engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.
President Jacques Chirac and Premier de Villepin are especially sore because they had believed that their opposition to the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003 would give France a heroic image in the Muslim community.
That illusion has now been shattered and the Chirac administration, already passing through a deepening political crisis, appears to be clueless about how to cope with what the Parisian daily France Soir has called a "ticking time bomb."
It is now clear that a good portion of France's Muslims not only refuse to assimilate into "the superior French culture," but firmly believe that Islam offers the highest forms of life to which all mankind should aspire.
So what is the solution? One solution, offered by Gilles Kepel, an adviser to Chirac on Islamic affairs, is the creation of "a new Andalusia" in which Christians and Muslims would live side by side and cooperate to create a new cultural synthesis.
The problem with Kepel's vision, however, is that it does not address the important issue of political power. Who will rule this new Andalusia: Muslims or the largely secularist Frenchmen?
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they had believed that their opposition to the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003 would give France a heroic image in the Muslim community??
were they really that naive??
Hugh Fitzgerald's Douce France article June 23, 2004 looks at the future of France as the population changes, when in 20 years France will likely have a majority Muslim population
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GM Strong
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..and Paris keeps on burning. If Jacques is waiting for this to 'burn itself out" he is in for a surprise.
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Fox News
ACHERES, France Riots that started in Paris' lower-class suburbs last week and resulted in 250 arrests of predominantly Muslim youths Saturday moved into the capital of France early Sunday morning.
By 1 a.m., a spokesman for the national police reported 13 vehicles torched in the capital - and 607 vehicles burnt overall - during the 10th straight night of rioting. Totals are expected to rise by morning.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174670,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9938333/site/newsweek/
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IMO, French leadership over the past century has grown so weak and appeasing that they have doomed themselves, as has most of Old Europe.
Unless they quell the rioters with lethal force of the army, they are ceding their republic to the Muslim hordes. But Chirac and DeVillepin are still appeasing!
Today's excellent article by Mark Steyn gives historical perspective.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
| Quote: | Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands
November 6, 2005
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
Ever since 9/11, I've been gloomily predicting the European powder keg's about to go up. ''By 2010 we'll be watching burning buildings, street riots and assassinations on the news every night,'' I wrote in Canada's Western Standard back in February.
Silly me. The Eurabian civil war appears to have started some years ahead of my optimistic schedule. As Thursday's edition of the Guardian reported in London: ''French youths fired at police and burned over 300 cars last night as towns around Paris experienced their worst night of violence in a week of urban unrest.''
''French youths,'' huh? You mean Pierre and Jacques and Marcel and Alphonse? Granted that most of the "youths" are technically citizens of the French Republic, it doesn't take much time in les banlieus of Paris to discover that the rioters do not think of their primary identity as ''French'': They're young men from North Africa growing ever more estranged from the broader community with each passing year and wedded ever more intensely to an assertive Muslim identity more implacable than anything you're likely to find in the Middle East. After four somnolent years, it turns out finally that there really is an explosive ''Arab street,'' but it's in Clichy-sous-Bois.
The notion that Texas neocon arrogance was responsible for frosting up trans-Atlantic relations was always preposterous, even for someone as complacent and blinkered as John Kerry. If you had millions of seething unassimilated Muslim youths in lawless suburbs ringing every major city, would you be so eager to send your troops into an Arab country fighting alongside the Americans? For half a decade, French Arabs have been carrying on a low-level intifada against synagogues, kosher butchers, Jewish schools, etc. The concern of the political class has been to prevent the spread of these attacks to targets of more, ah, general interest. They seem to have lost that battle. Unlike America's Europhiles, France's Arab street correctly identified Chirac's opposition to the Iraq war for what it was: a sign of weakness.
The French have been here before, of course. Seven-thirty-two. Not 7:32 Paris time, which is when the nightly Citroen-torching begins, but 732 A.D. -- as in one and a third millennia ago. By then, the Muslims had advanced a thousand miles north of Gibraltar to control Spain and southern France up to the banks of the Loire. In October 732, the Moorish general Abd al-Rahman and his Muslim army were not exactly at the gates of Paris, but they were within 200 miles, just south of the great Frankish shrine of St. Martin of Tours. Somewhere on the road between Poitiers and Tours, they met a Frankish force and, unlike other Christian armies in Europe, this one held its ground ''like a wall . . . a firm glacial mass,'' as the Chronicle of Isidore puts it. A week later, Abd al-Rahman was dead, the Muslims were heading south, and the French general, Charles, had earned himself the surname ''Martel'' -- or ''the Hammer.''
Poitiers was the high-water point of the Muslim tide in western Europe. It was an opportunistic raid by the Moors, but if they'd won, they'd have found it hard to resist pushing on to Paris, to the Rhine and beyond. ''Perhaps,'' wrote Edward Gibbon in The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire, ''the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.'' There would be no Christian Europe. The Anglo-Celts who settled North America would have been Muslim. Poitiers, said Gibbon, was ''an encounter which would change the history of the whole world.''
Battles are very straightforward: Side A wins, Side B loses. But the French government is way beyond anything so clarifying. Today, a fearless Muslim advance has penetrated far deeper into Europe than Abd al-Rahman. They're in Brussels, where Belgian police officers are advised not to be seen drinking coffee in public during Ramadan, and in Malmo, where Swedish ambulance drivers will not go without police escort. It's way too late to rerun the Battle of Poitiers. In the no-go suburbs, even before these current riots, 9,000 police cars had been stoned by ''French youths'' since the beginning of the year; some three dozen cars are set alight even on a quiet night. ''There's a civil war under way in Clichy-sous-Bois at the moment,'' said Michel Thooris of the gendarmes' trade union Action Police CFTC. ''We can no longer withstand this situation on our own. My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical or theoretical training for street fighting.''
What to do? In Paris, while ''youths'' fired on the gendarmerie, burned down a gym and disrupted commuter trains, the French Cabinet split in two, as the ''minister for social cohesion'' (a Cabinet position I hope America never requires) and other colleagues distance themselves from the interior minister, the tough-talking Nicolas Sarkozy who dismissed the rioters as ''scum.'' President Chirac seems to have come down on the side of those who feel the scum's grievances need to be addressed. He called for ''a spirit of dialogue and respect.'' As is the way with the political class, they seem to see the riots as an excellent opportunity to scuttle Sarkozy's presidential ambitions rather than as a call to save the Republic.
A few years back I was criticized for a throwaway observation to the effect that ''I find it easier to be optimistic about the futures of Iraq and Pakistan than, say, Holland or Denmark." But this is why. In defiance of traditional immigration patterns, these young men are less assimilated than their grandparents. French cynics like the prime minister, Dominique de Villepin, have spent the last two years scoffing at the Bush Doctrine: Why, everyone knows Islam and democracy are incompatible. If so, that's less a problem for Iraq or Afghanistan than for France and Belgium.
If Chirac isn't exactly Charles Martel, the rioters aren't doing a bad impression of the Muslim armies of 13 centuries ago: They're seizing their opportunities, testing their foe, probing his weak spots. If burning the 'burbs gets you more ''respect'' from Chirac, they'll burn 'em again, and again. In the current issue of City Journal, Theodore Dalrymple concludes a piece on British suicide bombers with this grim summation of the new Europe: ''The sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced by the nightmare of permanent conflict.'' Which sounds an awful lot like a new Dark Ages. |
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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The 'New Jihad' is indeed a revival of the 10th Century. The French had better pay heed.
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It's all Bush's fault..
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I don't know, maybe I am sadistic or warped. I watched the French burn my flag, chanting horible things about us, disrespecting our President. Tonight I had a drink, rare occasion for me, I toasted the burning of France as just reward for their cowardness. I don't want anyone hurt, but I want everything they hold sacred and love to be burned down and destroted. I want them to feel what we felt on 9-11, I want them to beg us to come save them once again, this time I hope we say no. England can annex France and make it a respectable place. Semper Fi.
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