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GodBlessUSA · Seaman Recruit Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

I suppose my point is this...current politics aside....there were those who went and fought....John Kerry undoubtably did this....if you disagree with what he did after he came back then thats the point.....(as opposed to critizing service)

I believe history has shown favorably on the those who went and fought and harshly on those politicians who ran the war...

Kerry, I believe misguided or not believed that many young American's lives were being wasted in a war ran horribly by politicians.

The real villian of Vietnam was none other than Robert McNamara who now declares (in the 90's) that "we were wrong, terribly wrong."
Here is a man that could have made a change....here is the real enemy of the people of the US....he sent thousands of men to be killed or injured and only 30 years later figures out he was wrong.....

If Vietnam was a debacle put the blame where it belongs, not on the troops (including Kerry), not on people in the US who spoke out against the war (a freedom we cherish in this country)....but against the politicians that mislead us......LBJ and his defense secretary Robert McNamara)

waltjones · Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:22 pm Post subject:

Note to GodBlessUSA: I would respectfully submit to you, as a Vietnam combat veteran, that 254 SwiftBoat Vets can't be wrong! Semper fi!
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Uisguex Jack · Rear Admiral Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 613

GodblessUSA wrote:

GodBlessUSA · Seaman Recruit Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

Uisguex Jack,

Perhaps my point is unclear...I see much critisism on this board of McCain for unwillingness to attack Kerry on his service in Vietnam and a lot of blooey about left and right and if you dont agree your a leftist liberal........personally I believe that John McCain is right......

What Kerry did after he returned from Vietnam is for history to judge (and I suppose the voters)...I think its fair to propagate the airwaves with every antiwar speech he gave and let him explain it.

What I dont believe is right the critism of service to our country...again Kerry may not have been the best or even the most courageous serviceman, however, he was in the line of fire against enemies of the United States.....he has something that Limbaugh, Hannity, GW Bush dont have....a proven experience they would risk their life as part of duty to their country......what ever subtleties about Kerry's 1st of 3 purple hearts its not right to criticize those for their service...I think we all know that Kerry served while others have sacrificed more, anyone who served in Vietnam (or now in Iraq), deserves our respect and gratitude.

If you want to criticize a the man for for his antiwar stance on his return...I feel that is fair game....Kerry made a choice to oppose the war he has recorded statements to congress, speeches, etc......that is fair game and a matter of public discourse he should have to defend.....

But the questioning of his service sounds to me to be more in the order speculation....and discounting of anything that Kerry did in Vietnam as somehow tainted.....well I think thats wrong and I think its a demonstration of complete bias who blindly hate Kerry or Democrats (I really cant figure out which).....Kerry may not be the next President, but ...even a stopped watch is right two times a day....he served in Vietnam for that however short time, to this he deserves to be given credit....it is wrong to discredit that service......it seems to be a demonstration that the whole character of Kerry needs to be assinated...(again blind hatered)

.I think we should weigh him on the good...he went to Vietnam...he fought..he served.....when he came back he protested....which for many vets this was bad....his statements are on public record....an educated America should hear what he said 30 years ago ...to this I agree with group.....but to try to destroy a mans service in the line of fire....well I respectfully disagree with that tactic.

forgivenjojo · Former Member Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 159

one good back alley ass whoopin and I think this guy will be ready for duty.

LewWaters · Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:14 am Post subject:

GBUSA, if that service was fraudulent and he is using fraudulent service to try to stand tall before voters, doesn't that need to be exposed?

He has made his service the center of this election, no one else. It appears much of what he claims just isn't so. Don't the voters have a right to know the truth?
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GodBlessUSA · Seaman Recruit Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

Wow that's a big leap Calley, England, Graner.....these soldiers all have commited horrendeous acts that are well document and they have been duly court marshalled.

Kerry's record in Vietnam stands in stark contrast to what is presented here....so I think the comparison is wrong.

If Kerry broke the UCMJ with such a harsh crime...why was he never court marshalled?? How do we criticize a man that went ot Vietnam....Edited by Moderator.....so if you have to pick the person who is the hero I would place my bets on the guy who actually went to nam....and fought.

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Indianbaboon · Lieutenant Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 234

GBUSA, i can see you're fond of decorations and paper...that'd be why you trotted out your GPA, your research paper, etc in front of us. I'm proud of you, I really am. THen again, that's all meaningless ********...hence your belief in fitness reports and a couple of medals.

SOmething I learned out in the small towns of the southwest, before I went to an Ivy League school (there's some name dropping for you Laughing

) is that you judge a man by what he did, not by his accoutrements. THat's why i don't mention where I went tos chol (except just now...i'm a hypocrite) or what awards I've won. You could learn that.

is all service honorable? does the act of shipping out to war make you a soldier? is general eisenhower now to be seen in the same light as the SGT that grenaded his superior officers? after all, they both fought. and they both serve in times of war.

I have a friend who served 6 years there, as an FAC. That means that every day he got into a little unarmed tin cessna and flew directly over firefights, calling in artillery and in general being a guardian angel to troops. One day, he got shot through the butt with an AK round...sliced right through that thin cessna skin like it was nothing. After he was patched up well enough to go back out, he went again, lost half his foot, earning a second PH. HE THEN STAYED FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

do you get it?

Kerry doesn't have a scar on his body, yet he has three PHs and left after 4 months.

that's not serving honorably. if he bugged, got shell shocked and got a section 8, that'd eb one thing. he didn't. he up and left. adn then helped cook up the less than warm reception the real soldiers got when they came home.

BTW< McCain is on record as hating Kerry intensely up until they reconciles in the 1990s...other vets I know, they haven't forgotten.

Indianbaboon · Lieutenant Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 234

also, FDL, moral relativism is not akin to barbarism, at least in my opinion. Barbarians and even social mammals like wolves and monkeys have VERY strong moral codes...there's even something that looks suspiciously like honor among them.

morality is in our animal roots. moral relativity is actually the brainchild of rich morons in periods of decadence.

and not all of us college kids are punks Crying or Very sad