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Schadow
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 Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: Churchill may be on his way out. Don't hold breath. |
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| Quote: | Committee: Fire Churchill
By Sara Burnett, Rocky Mountain News
June 13, 2006
A majority of the University of Colorado committee leading an inquiry into Ward Churchill recommended today that the ethnic studies professor be fired.
Of the 10 voting members, six said he should be fired. One said he should be suspended without pay for two years, while two others recommended a five-year suspension without pay. Another member of the committee was absent, and the panel's chairman is a non-voting member.
In a 22-page report, the committee — made up of nine CU faculty, a staff member and a graduate student — agreed with the findings of an investigation released last month. That investigation concluded Churchill "committed serious, repeated and deliberate research misconduct," including plagiarism and fabrication of material.
Churchill and his attorney could not immediately be reached for comment, but the professor has said in the past that the allegations are politically motivated and without merit.
Churchill angered many in the public with an essay he wrote about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. In it, he compared some victims in the World Trade Center to Nazi Adolf Eichmann.
CU officials launched an investigation into his work within weeks of the essay being widely publicized.
The recommendation from the Standing Committee on Research Misconduct will now be sent to interim provost Susan Avery and Todd Gleeson, dean of the college of arts and sciences.
Avery and Gleeson then will make separate recommendations to interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano, who will have the final say on whether Churchill should be fired.
An exact timeline for that decision has not been determined, but could come within weeks.
The recommendations released today by the Standing Committee are posted on the university's Web site at www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill . The report of the investigative committee issued last month is posted on the Web at www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/churchillreport051606.html . |
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Obviously, this has a long way to go. I wonder how many kids will have been, and are yet to be, indoctrinated by him. He, of course, has said he will sue if he's fired, thereby prolonging his tenure for maybe years. What's wrong with this picture?
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Churchill may be on his way out. Don't hold breath. |
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| Schadow wrote: | | He, of course, has said he will sue if he's fired, thereby prolonging his tenure for maybe years. What's wrong with this picture? |
Perhaps this may be true but I would hope that there exists at least one element in his contract that would provide legal refuge to the employer.
The fact that they could consider suspension without pay suggests to me that getting fired for breach of contract might not afford Churchill the financial protection? you suggest. |
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dusty
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What's wrong with this picture is that people who have this warped view of the country and world that they live in are in a position to influence young people to such a great extent in the first place.
People with such radical views should not be incorporated into the mainstream of academia and accepted as a normal person. They should be censured, ridiculed and removed to the fringes of society where they belong before they have a chance to poison young minds.
That our universities are full of this sort of person is a testament as to how well the Communists and their propaganda against America has done it's job over the last 40 yrs.
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fortdixlover
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| dusty wrote: | | That our universities are full of this sort of person is a testament as to how well the Communists and their propaganda against America has done it's job over the last 40 yrs. |
In fact, that's where I believe a lot of this illness originated. We are still fighting the Soviets ideologically; like a virus such as HIV that takes refuge in hard-to-reach cells, the ideologic infection, no, cancer has gotten refuge in academia (not to mention the MSM).
I've been in Ivy academia; I know firsthand.
ADDENDUM: See this essay, "Political Correctness — The Revenge of Marxism" at http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/06/political-correctness-revenge-of.html .
... The simple fact is that we never won the Cold War as decisively as we should have. Yes, the Berlin Wall fell, and the Soviet Union collapsed. This removed the military threat to the West, and the most hardcore, economic Marxism suffered a blow as a credible alternative. However, one of the really big mistakes we made after the Cold War ended was to declare that Socialism was now dead, and thus no longer anything to worry about. Here we are, nearly a generation later, discovering that Marxist rhetoric and thinking have penetrated every single strata of our society, from the Universities to the media. Islamic terrorism is explained as caused by “poverty, oppression and marginalization,” a classic, Marxist interpretation.
What happened is that while the “hard” Marxism of the Soviet Union may have collapsed, at least for now, the “soft” Marxism of the Western Left has actually grown stronger, in part because we deemed it to be less threatening. The “hard” Marxists had intercontinental nuclear missiles and openly said that they would “bury” us. The soft Marxists talk about tolerance and may seem less threatening, but their goal of overthrowing the evil, capitalist West remains the same. In fact, they are more dangerous precisely because they hide their true goals under different labels. Perhaps we should call it “stealth Socialism” instead of soft Socialism ...
See the whole thing.
BTW, I considered John Kerry as a possible example of a "stealth Marxist" but on further consideration I believe he's merely a self-aggrandizing opportunist.
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dusty
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FDL wrote:
| Quote: | | BTW, I considered John Kerry as a possible example of a "stealth Marxist" but on further consideration I believe he's merely a self-aggrandizing opportunist. |
I think you had it right on the first take FDL. He goes beyond the 'Useful Idiot' moniker and falls into the card carrying Communist catagory for my money.
He and several others in our congress. When you look at their past records and realize that every time the U.S has come head to head with a communist govt. Kerry and a few others have been on the wrong side of the issue. Every time.
Far as I'm concerned, he's branded himself a dyed in the wool communist/marxist and he's not even bashful about it.
And oh, let's not forget he went to Vietnam and sneaked into Cambodia.
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| Quote: | | Far as I'm concerned, he's branded himself a dyed in the wool communist/marxist and he's not even bashful about it. |
I'd agree with that, and he got those views from his father even before he joined the Navy. He'll never change, either. |
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coldwarvet
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The fact Churchill is still an employee sends a clear message that a large population of educators operate out of the philosophy that “the ends justify the means”. What are the ends that justify the means of Churchill’s anti America behavior? What percentage of educators actually supports the teachings of Churchill?
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fortdixlover
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| coldwarvet wrote: | | The fact Churchill is still an employee sends a clear message that a large population of educators operate out of the philosophy that “the ends justify the means”. What are the ends that justify the means of Churchill’s anti America behavior? What percentage of educators actually supports the teachings of Churchill? |
Too many. Academia in general is in trouble due to its infiltration by the left, leftist sympathizers, moral relativists and other worse-than-useless people.
Example: Johns Hopkins (note idiocy of Univ. lawyer who did not know that Maryland had passed a law making newspaper theft illegal. )
Example: Yale, filled with sleaze, to the point of taking as a student the former Propaganda Minister for the Taliban to try to outdo Harvard (we still don't know who Harvard took).
See other examples of academic totalitarianism at:
Campus Watch http://www.campus-watch.org
Foundation for Individual Rights in Education http://www.thefire.org
Students for Academic Freedom http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/
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jwb7605
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| coldwarvet wrote: | | The fact Churchill is still an employee sends a clear message that a large population of educators operate out of the philosophy that “the ends justify the means”. What are the ends that justify the means of Churchill’s anti America behavior? What percentage of educators actually supports the teachings of Churchill? |
It occured to me at the beginnings of this affair that the root of the problem was (and remains) the hiring process. If that doesn't change, neither will the "current problems" in a long term sense.
With respect to the question (my highlights), I've observed the following non-sequitur from a large number of teachers/educators/paraeducators (which include my wife and one daughter):
(a) A lot (most, in fact) of the nonsense coming from the NEA or local teachers unions are unpopular with teachers, and they do their best to ignore the things that are obviously nonsense.
(b) These same people will staunchly defend the NEA and/or their local union, giving all kinds of reasons why in the process.
... I also observed that most professors publicly interviewed "deplored" Ward Churchill's statements, but defended "his right to say them" ... even (and maybe especially) to his students. It was a matter of free speech, see ...
Privately, I suspect the majority of these people think he never should have been hired, and resent the fact that he seems to "represent them" or at least their profession.
However, due to (a) and (b) above, you'll never hear that in public.
Not much different, if you think about it, from the average blue collar union worker. |
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Anker-Klanker
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To me, there's so much wrong with the whole Ward Churchill thing (and college practices, in general) that I don't even know where to begin, but to touch on just a few of the things wrong...
Ostensibly, he was originally hired based on his asserting that he had American Indian ancestry, which we now know to be untrue. So we see Political Correctness and reverse discrimination (a.k.a. "diversity," previously known as "affirmative action") at work. No investigation into his claim? And no punitive action after the truth was discovered? [Note that he's been recommended for firing because "That investigation concluded Churchill "committed serious, repeated and deliberate research misconduct," including plagiarism and fabrication of material," not because he lied on his resume.
Then, as most of you have observed he spent years spewing poison, including outright lies in his re-fabrication of history, prior to his ever achieving public notoriety. This, again, is not why he is being recommended for firing. I guess we're to conclude that hate speech, historical lies, and unbalanced (outright seditious) teaching is OK with the college/university crowd.
Finally, there's this thing called "tenure." Can anyone justify the concept and idea behind tenure? I sure can't. It's treated among academics as almost a Constitutional right. Well, it isn't. How, e.g., can tenure in academic circles be rationalized if tenure in the media, in politics, or anywhere else can't be, and never was even considered? If I were to lay out a plan to clean house in academia, "tenure" would be one of the first things I'd repeal; I can simply find no rational justification for it. Every other job and profession I can think of has some method to weed out the misfits, even Civil Servants (which is the closest thing to tenure I can think of); it's easier in some areas than others, but all have some mechanism to get rid of misfits - except academia. Why? |
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