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Jack Mclaughlin PO3
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 280
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:45 am Post subject: |
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When we talk about John McCain we all salute him for his heroic service while a prisoner in Vietnam. When he was carried off that plane on a stretcher in 1972 he made all of America proud. Some of his words I still remember and I para-phrase, " When I heard those B-52`s in the skys over Hanoi I knew it was only a matter of time and we would all be home."
The dirty trick pulled on him in the South Caolina primary was a reprehensible act and I hope the perpetrators had enough guts to come forward and apologize. But those two words John muttered in haste accusing Swift Vets of being " dishonest and dishonorable " is hurtful and untrue and he now needs to show courage and come forward and apologize. It will disappoint his liberal media friends for sure, but when those two words are repeated over and over by John Kerry`s defenders it is doing great damage to our noble cause. |
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Beatrice1000 Resource Specialist
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 1179 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Stop Hanoi John wrote: | McCain does not want to drudge up the old feelings of Vietnam that split the nation back then. The man respects his fellow Vets. |
integritycounts said:Certainly Kerry has repeated McCain's words over and over, but that part of the story is now old news. …. I also give him a pass on his comments on Kerry and the Swift Boat Ad, they were said quickly after the release of the ad, probably prompted by a phone call by Kerry personally to him.
It appears McCain respects only "some" of his fellow vets. He condemned the SwiftVets before he knew any information about them -- that does not impress me even tho he is a true war hero. I was dismayed and shocked at his emphatic kneejerk condemnation. He had a choice when asked for his opinion, he could either say “I don’t know anything about this group or why they are doing this” or he could say, "This is disspicable and dishonorable." He chose to condemn all of these veterans in the ad for the right to speak their minds. He didn't even stop to ask "what is this?" My respect for McCain is bruised severely by his choice.
And McCain’s words are not “now old news” -- they are front and center with the dems in character smearing of John O’Neill and the SwiftVets. Front and center... main talking point.
This is about a truth-exposing mission of the SwiftVets to not allow Kerry to become Commander-in-Chief of this country. This is NOT about electing George Bush today or electing John McCain tomorrow. |
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4moreyears Former Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 591
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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I think O'Neill should do a drum beat:
"Senator...why won't you release the complete records, what are you hiding"?
Make the records the issue. _________________
kerry returned to the United States on July 22, 1971, held a press conference publicly calling on President Nixon... for the surrender of the United States to North Vietnam. |
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integritycounts Rear Admiral
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 667
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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beatrice, by saying its old news I mean, the story is not changing, and McCain is not repeating it.
Remember voters are not so stupid as the Media thinks, Kerry was called a liar, some have defended him, but Kerry has not defended himself.
Since then Kerry has been exposed in for his Cambodia lies.
Real people are noting the lack of response, they are not chewing on McCain's words anymore. The more Kerry uses the same OLD message the more desperate it looks.
Kerry campaign has played this story to blow over, that was there strategy. They are not prepared to continue to respond, and it shows.
McCain made a comment which he is entitled to...I was pissed off when I heard it too...but he has earned his right to speak. His record is incredible in Vietnam.
Just because his words may still be used as talking points....does not create a resonance with voters. Voters can see through this. The Kerry faithful may eat it up, but they are not the measure. |
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Beatrice1000 Resource Specialist
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 1179 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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integritycounts wrote: | beatrice, by saying its old news I mean, the story is not changing, and McCain is not repeating it. .... Just because his words may still be used as talking points....does not create a resonance with voters. Voters can see through this. The Kerry faithful may eat it up, but they are not the measure. |
Hey, I read your statement the wrong way, sorry! ... it's just that I hear "McCain, McCain" every time anything is said about the SBVFT -- so it isn't "old news" in the way I was viewing it. It's constant, in-your-face continual news
Kerry's people (& the media in general) have this list of defense attacks, and they say it over and over and over and I am bored to death with them!! And I certainly don't hold my breath waiting for their final "big blow" -- oh, wait, JOHN McCAIN SAID..!! Maybe you're right -- maybe the general public will get sick of this too! and start asking "who are these guys and what do they want?" -- and then hopefully, READ THE BOOK, and we can all let go of McCain. |
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War Dog Captain
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 517 Location: Below Birmingham Alabama
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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There is a new one out there. Mr. Hurley last night on "After Hours with Cal Thomas" on FoxNews said that John F. Kerry was way up on the Mekong River with two PBR's, and on their patrol, they were fired upon, and gave chase. They went around the bend chasing the boats that were shooting at them, and then and only then did they realize that they were in Cambodia, and further on, they were fired upon from forces on the shore.
That's the jest of it, and when Cal Thomas posts the script from his show later in the week, we'll see exactly what Mr. Hurley said. But I haven't heard this one before! Wasn't there huge concrete blocks on each side of the Mekong River at the border, with cables stretched across the river to keep boats from going into Cambodia? Wouldn't that make this story and the others false?
War Woof! _________________ "When people are in trouble, they call the cops.
When cops need help, they call the K-9 unit." |
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cjg PO3
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 254
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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I think that story is about the third one I have heard about Kerry and his
being in Cambodia. This one is just as feeble as the rest of them!  _________________ Swiftvets rock! |
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kmmpatriot Lt.Jg.
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 146
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:35 am Post subject: |
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....the only problem with that, Mr. Hurley...is um, wasn't point of the whole "I spent Christmas in Cambodia" story that Kerry spewed for 30+ years that HE WAS SENT THERE secretly by the US government....now, conveniently, he was there because he wandered there by mistake? PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!
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Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:37 am Post subject: |
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And he's still got that whole Khmer Rouge timeline problem to deal with, too.  _________________ ~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother |
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Scott Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1603 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:57 am Post subject: |
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One more problem...
Unless I'm mistaken, a Swift Boat and a PBR are two completely different things! _________________ Bye bye, Boston Straggler! |
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BenJaxBchFL Seaman
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 198
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Scott I think the PBR is about 30 ft and the Swiftboat is 50ft. _________________ The war against terrorism is not that Americans might die rather that we would alter our way of living. If we get to a point where we choose not to go out because of fear, our economy will sink and in the end so will our nation. Vote Bush. |
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Scott Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1603 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Exactly;
Kerry served on Swift Boats. PBRs were regularly used to insert and extract Seal teams (according to the Seals' accounts that I've read).
When did Kerry serve on a PBR? Or are we to believe that he was accompanying the PBRs with a Swift Boat (which is larger, easier to see and easier to hear)? _________________ Bye bye, Boston Straggler! |
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