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stealthy · Lieutenant Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 237

Wapo needs a swift response in their letters to the editor section. Wink

Robert Cooper · Lt.Jg. Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 134 Location: Tulsa, OK

I went to the MSNBC link and read the Washington Post article. Michael Dobbs mostly referring to language of the citation - which is chiefly based on After Action Reports - I assume that each commander submitted their own report. The citation may be written synopsis covering details coming from all these reports - ie, if there were 3 reports submitted, and only one reported enemy small arms fire - the drafter of the citation may have included that information on the master citation which was duplicated and presented to individuals. I think this is what Larry Thurlow is suggesting - the spurious information appearing on his citation may be largely due to Kerry's practice of "Duking things up."

Regardless of the logical explanation - even if it's proven (coming up with all the after-action reports for comparison) - Once the press picks up on even the smallest of details - and SwiftVets is dealing with a lot of them - they can ride it for a long time, even well after the truth comes out. I am content with forming my arguments in context of the effects of the 1971 Congressional hearing.
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ASPB · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:21 am Post subject:

Let us not forget the Purple Heart that day for a contusion (minor). Kerry has admitted fragging his own ass but put that into a PH award. Admitted fraud by accepting the PH.

There are so many avenues of attack available that a couple of chinks in the armor are to be expected.
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Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

Did the Navy routinely designate a Junior Officer as A&D (Awards and Decorations in the Army) Officer?

ASPB · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:29 am Post subject:

Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

Me,

I have absolutely no idea who authored the after action report, but the story has hit the AP wire. We must get the story out as soon as possible that the authorship of those records is in doubt.

If Lt (jg) Kerry had any hand in writing that after action report, then the entire story falls apart. This IMHO must be done quickly or else the MSM will say, "See the swiftvets are LIARS" and promptly ignore anything else you have to say. In fact on other forums, I am already seeing the Tar and Feathers coming out.
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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

I am so confused. I am not sure what the claim is by whom....bah. Regardless what those details are, Polaris is right. When you attack someone like Kerry, you better have all your ducks in a row and if one swims out of line you better jerk it back into line fast as a wink because the MSM will use that like a bullet hole in a dam, and the entire wall will come tumbling down before you know what hit you. The public has a short attention span. They got the message, it seems they believe it. Throw mud on it and if it sticks, they will walk away and anything further you have to say will go to deaf ears. You have two choices. Hide in the bushes waiting for the enemy to attack you, or, if Thurlow is right, take the evidence that supports that and charge with all you got.

hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

This line in the article....

contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla.

Does not indicate what document these "references" come from, who may have authored and/or signed these documents. I would think however that since both he and Kerry were in command of a boat, that each would file the same type of report after a mission, but references to something and a statement of something are two different things.

ASPB · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:51 am Post subject:

No bullet or small arms damage was reported on any of the boats as far as I've been able to determine.
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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

Yesterday on one of the interviews with Hurley and O'Neill, Hurley read off damage that had been sustained by the 94 boat, to include, blown out windows, wiring...other stuff......he read it off of some report

igor · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 81

It's time to go for the Knockout.

Challenge Kerry to sign Form 180, like he promised Tim Russert in April.
(Kerry Reneges on Promise to Release Military Records - http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/20/171506.shtml)

“Kerry can remove all doubt about his service by signing a U.S. government document referred to as Standard Form 180" - B.G. Burkett, Vietnam historian

Say this will prove conclusively if he is telling the truth or not. Imply that if he doesn't, it is because he is covering up the truth that he is a liar.

ASPB · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:01 am Post subject:

That's a damage report found at Kerry site under March Spot reports. It says the it's the 94 boat but the damage is consistent with PCF-3 and 94 could not have towed 3 with that much damage.
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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

So the report he referred to, that says it is for the 94 is actually the report for the 93? It was altered, typo...whichever. So then where is the report for the 3 boat? It seemed that the damage outlined for the 3 boat, in terms of the screws...and stuff, was more serious than the description Hurley read. Did you know Hurley marched with Kerry in his anti war marches?

ASPB · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:07 am Post subject:

PCF-3 not 93. Either a typo or a deliberate change by the reporting officer. We may never know but the question is....Where's the damage report for PCF-3. Bandit's trying to get it and getting a run-around from the Navy History Center.
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