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Montana
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 Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:05 am Post subject: Lt Kerry as a Ready Reservist |
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When John Kerry was discharged from active duty,
he was required to attend weekend drills in the Ready Reserve
for at least 2 years. (3 years active, 2 years Ready Reserve)
To make a ¨good year,¨ Kerry was required to attend
48 drills per year and go on active duty for training each
year (usually 14 days).
Kerry was also subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.
Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse
statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war.
Yet, this is exactly what he and his fellow Vietnam
Veterans against the War did.
Has anyone ever seen the Performance Records of Kerry´s drills
or his active duty training records while he was in the Ready Reserves?
Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry´s Commanding Officer at the
Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled (if he drilled at all)?
How many navy regulations did Lt Kerry USNR violate as a Ready Reservist, while he was running around with his buddies
in the VVAW? (At many rallies, the enemy´s flag (Viet Cong) was
displayed while our flag was defiled, mocked etc.)
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carpro
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 4:23 am Post subject: |
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It seems Kerry has the same hole in his record that his campaign says Bush has.
He can't seem to prove he made drills when in ready reserve.
Was he AWOL or did he desert?
Where's Terry Mc and the DNC when you need them?
Where's Teddy?
Where's JFK? (Latter day wannabe)
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betsyross18
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Joined: 19 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Lt Kerry as a Ready Reservist |
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| Montana wrote: | When John Kerry was discharged from active duty,
he was required to attend weekend drills in the Ready Reserve
for at least 2 years. (3 years active, 2 years Ready Reserve)
To make a ¨good year,¨ Kerry was required to attend
48 drills per year and go on active duty for training each
year (usually 14 days).
Kerry was also subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.
Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse
statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war.
Yet, this is exactly what he and his fellow Vietnam
Veterans against the War did.
Has anyone ever seen the Performance Records of Kerry´s drills
or his active duty training records while he was in the Ready Reserves?
Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry´s Commanding Officer at the
Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled (if he drilled at all)?
How many navy regulations did Lt Kerry USNR violate as a Ready Reservist, while he was running around with his buddies
in the VVAW? (At many rallies, the enemy´s flag (Viet Cong) was
displayed while our flag was defiled, mocked etc.)
Montana |
Kerry was discharged from active duty in 1970 to the Naval Reserves, inactive duty. Inactive duty requires no drills, nor are you subject to the UCMJ unless you are representing yourself as a military officer. You are simply required to keep your address current, and are subject to recall to active duty under certain conditions.
I'm surprised a forum full of vets wouldn't know this.
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf |
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hist/student
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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unabashed comprehensive retraction
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ROTC DAD
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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hist/student,
Can you give examples of what you claim.
"There is no shortage of leftist West Point Graads who have tried to bring up anyone and everyone they can on ucmj charges (some of them retired for 30 years +) as a pollitcal tool." |
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hist/student
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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unabashed comprehensive retraction
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hist/student
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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unabashed comprehensive retraction
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ROTC DAD
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Lt Kerry as a Ready Reservist |
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| betsyross18 wrote: | | Montana wrote: | When John Kerry was discharged from active duty,
he was required to attend weekend drills in the Ready Reserve
for at least 2 years. (3 years active, 2 years Ready Reserve)
To make a ¨good year,¨ Kerry was required to attend
48 drills per year and go on active duty for training each
year (usually 14 days).
Kerry was also subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.
Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse
statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war.
Yet, this is exactly what he and his fellow Vietnam
Veterans against the War did.
Has anyone ever seen the Performance Records of Kerry´s drills
or his active duty training records while he was in the Ready Reserves?
Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry´s Commanding Officer at the
Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled (if he drilled at all)?
How many navy regulations did Lt Kerry USNR violate as a Ready Reservist, while he was running around with his buddies
in the VVAW? (At many rallies, the enemy´s flag (Viet Cong) was
displayed while our flag was defiled, mocked etc.)
Montana |
Kerry was discharged from active duty in 1970 to the Naval Reserves, inactive duty. Inactive duty requires no drills, nor are you subject to the UCMJ unless you are representing yourself as a military officer. You are simply required to keep your address current, and are subject to recall to active duty under certain conditions.
I'm surprised a forum full of vets wouldn't know this.
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Two problems.
One, is that he still did have the commitment, and was required to seek an active reserve assignment in order to fulfill his commitment.
Two, you are incorrect about when he is subject to UCMJ. An Officer (vs. an EM on inactive reserve) is technically subject to UCMJ at all times. However, as a general policy, it is only enforced when on duty, or should the SM represent him or her self as a current or former member of the military. An Officer's oath, until either resigning their commission, or having it taken away, still applies.
To claim that John Kerry did not violate UCMJ when he wore military clothing and wore his decorations is ridiculous.
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hist/student
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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unabashed comprehensive retraction
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Grampa
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 12:13 am Post subject: |
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John Kerry absolutely violated regulations by wearing his uniform and decorations while engaging in political activity.
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Lt Kerry as a Ready Reservist |
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| betsyross18 wrote: |
The problems seem to be yours.
One, he was released from active duty to the reserves on inactive status, with the stipulation that he could be recalled to active duty, period. No requirement to seek an active reserve assignment.
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Release_From_Active_Duty.pdf
(Notice he was "urged" and not "required" to contact a reserve center for "information" about training programs?) |
He was "urged" because it was his commitment, not theirs. Failure to find an active reserve function would extend his commitment, possibly indefinitely. It sounds like John F. Kerry has never completed his military commitment.
| Quote: | Two, the Staff Judge Advocate disagrees with your interpretation of the UCMJ and reserve status:
"Reservists are subject to the Uniform Code of Military justice (UCMJ) while: (1) lawfully called or ordered to active duty under Title 10 USC, from the date specified in the call or order; (2) on inactive duty training in the federal service; or (3) retired, if receiving hospitalization from an Armed Force."
http://www.columbus.af.mil/FTW/jaWeb%202002/ucmjreservisttrial.html |
Would help if you would learn the difference between a commissioned officer and an enlisted person.
| Quote: | Three, the UCMJ only prohibits the wearing of actual military uniforms or "distinctive part of the uniform" by unauthorized personnel. Olive drab blouses or camouflage (sp?) jackets or booney hats, which may be purchased at any surplus store, are not unique to the military, much less a specific branch, and are not uniforms absent distinctive insignia. Kerry's ribbons were his to wear - I've seen vets wear their decorations on sports coats and golf hats. A shaggy-haired George W. used to wear his TANG flight jacket and cowboy boots around the business school campus, BTW.
site=http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/771.html |
Specific versions of medals are available for wear on civilian clothing. LBJ used to wear one. They are not full-size ribbons or medals. Just because you have seen vets do it does not make it legal (assuming the vet was still subject to UCMJ, a point you fail to address). Blouses, etc. may not be distinctive... unless worn with the accoutrements that make them distinctive (like Kerry wore his).
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Well, Betsy...
| Quote: | (1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.
(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.
(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service. |
Kerry wasn't National Guard. He was a Naval Officer. Not discharged, simply on reserve status (still part of the regular component).
Officers don't enlist. They are commissioned (approved by the US Senate even).
Regarding the uniform and UCMJ, why don't you look it up and read regarding adhering to regulations (in this case, uniform regulations)?
How much time have you got in the military as a commissioned Officer?
How much time do you have in the military at all?
Btw, if medals are the property of the recipient, then they are free to sell them if they wish, correct?
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hist/student
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 10:41 am Post subject: |
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unabashed comprehensive retraction
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Greenhat
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| betsyross18 wrote: |
Good bye and good luck. Anyone who lives in Asia and calls himself "Green Hat" obviously needs it, poor shlub. |
Well, that explains a lot. Why is a Chinese poster interested in this subject at all? And why calling yourself Betsy Ross?
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