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Prisoner Seaman Recruit
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 31 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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It is my understanding that the Swift vets aren't disputing what occurred that day, just that Kerry's actions did not warrant a Silver Star.
Am I wrong for thinking that? _________________ FreeSpeechForums |
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Bhist Lieutenant
Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 228
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm very suspicious of this guy. He comes out of nowhere to save Kerry.
What is absolutely funny is his story supports everything in O'Niell's book. It's a military strategic fact that the actions Kerry took in beaching his boat was against protocol. It was a stupid move to beach one's swift boat. It's equivalent to a rifleman standing beside, instead of in, his foxhole to fight a charging enemy.
I'm looking forward to see how Kerry spins this one.
I think we should have O'Neill check the facts to see if Rood was really there. If he wasn't, then we need to have Burkett ("Stolen Valor") determine if Rood was even in Vietnam, let alone the military. _________________ Watch Kerry Implode Because Of Truth!!
Watch Rather Implode Because Of Lies!! |
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MarcB Ensign
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 58 Location: Durham, NC
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Semantics! "young Viet Cong in a loincloth," "a grown man, dressed in the kind of garb the VC usually wore."
VC had no official uniform, unlike the NVA. A "young" Vietnamese could very well have been "full grown." Vietnamese are known for being a slight people, small in physical nature. |
I have a Friend who 5'2" and 120 pounds. If I did not know he was in his 40's I would say he was a teenager. My cousin on the other hand was 6'4" and 240 pounds when he was 14. His argument is based on perception. If I see a small man running away and I am used to seeing taller people would I not think of him as a Teenager? I am still trying to figure out a VC Uniform is, is that kind of like a Al-Qa'ida Uniform?
Marc _________________ "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last."
- Winston Churchill, on Neville Chamberlain |
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SF Seaman Recruit
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 23
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject: availability for comment |
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I think his not being available for comment, and the direction to put any questions to two other journalists, will squarely put the Tribune in the middle of the news story, making it a participant. Interesting demonstration of MSM's demeanor. |
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Jeff Carrington Seaman Recruit
Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 47 Location: West Simsbury, CT
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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What a farce. The poor chap just wants a Now Hear This chance and then returns permanently to a reclusive life, insulated from any possible veracity tests. A perfect contrast to the SBVT who time and again put themselves on the media firing line, knowing from the get-go that those are the absolute dues of speaking out in a national forum. Some American. He's a throwback. |
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gilliam Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 97
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff Carrington wrote: | What a farce. The poor chap just wants a Now Hear This chance and then returns permanently to a reclusive life, insulated from any possible veracity tests. A perfect contrast to the SBVT who time and again put themselves on the media firing line, knowing from the get-go that those are the absolute dues of speaking out in a national forum. Some American. He's a throwback. |
I don't think this is the case at all. I think he is being forced to do this by the Kerry campaign. He probably feels there are points that he thinks need correcting. |
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Bhist Lieutenant
Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 228
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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He's also a [edited] coward.
Note: We don't need to blanketly condemn an entire party. Rememeber, some of them are on our side in this. _________________ Watch Kerry Implode Because Of Truth!!
Watch Rather Implode Because Of Lies!! |
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Jeff Carrington Seaman Recruit
Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 47 Location: West Simsbury, CT
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Gilliam, I think you will forgive my cynicism at this point. Find me someone who isn't deeply suspicious of the objective truthseeking motives of the other side by now and I'll show you a zombie. |
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jfnk Ensign
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 54
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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This latest is potentially devastating to the Swiftvets. Personally, I find it to be suspicious, but the talking heads in the media won't. Hopefully, O'Neill is anticipated this, and has a response.
By the way, I found the guys e-mail if anyone is interesting in asking the guy a question:
WRood@tribune.com |
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deadzone1003 Seaman Recruit
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Who is this guy?
He was the officier in charge of PCF-23. His name is William Rood Jr..
He can be found in www.swiftboats.net. This is the directory of almost all of the sailors in the Swiftboat command. Amazingly, I couldn't find John Kerry's name next to PCF-94. Well, my guts tell me that this Tim Jones (the actual writer of the story) is embellishing Mr. Rood's interview just as the Boston Globe embellished George Elliot's interview. This story will probably be used for the Sunday talk shows. Hopefully, Mr. Rood will probably sign an affidavit telling a different story. However, this story about Rood will be quite damaging in
the short run.  |
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SharpTalons Ensign
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 57
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Why won't the Chicago Tribune write a piece about Steve Gardner?? He seems to be an invisible man. |
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tvaughan Seaman
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 182
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Is there anything that contradicts what the Swift Boat vets are saying?
Young kid, older guy. Not a big deal. At least I don't think so. I'm assuming no one checked the guys ID for his age.
None of the Swift Boat vets say that this event didn't happen. They just say there was only a single wounded man that was "routed" by Kerry.
If Root's story is true and the river bank were full of VC on both sides, why on earth does Kerry beach the boat to go after one guy? Why does he do that?
I can understand memories being confused, it was 35 years ago, but beaching the boat to go after one guy when you're being fired upon by all sides (And NOT the direction where you beach your boat), just seems pretty damn silly.
The problem is that the story doesn't have to actually contradict the Swift Vets, the MSM simply has to say that it does. Much like how they say that the New York Times conclusively proves collusion between SBVFT and the GOP. _________________ Talking point #1: Sign 180
Talking point #2: Sign 180
Talking point #3: Sign 180 |
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IamHG Ensign
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 69
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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The new Ad makes all of this moot in my opinion.
Rehashing of one guys memory versus another after 35 years can only be just so effective. The new ad featuring Kerrys own voice intermingled with POWs accounts of its effects are going to take this debate to a whole new level.
I personally don't care if his medals are legit. He threw them away and then betrayed his comrads. Thats all I need to know. _________________ <insert pithy signature here> |
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efuseakay Ensign
Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 64
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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What will the Swifties come back with?  |
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Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Prisoner wrote: | It is my understanding that the Swift vets aren't disputing what occurred that day, just that Kerry's actions did not warrant a Silver Star. |
Actually, the Swifts are disputing Kerry's version of what occurred that day. (I think there are three versions from Kerry and his supporters and Kerry himself has waffled on the details.) _________________ ~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother |
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