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[Navymomx2]

Mikest, I have sat and read and re-read all 3 pages of this thread. Let me say this first, I am Woman Hear Me Roar!!! Sir, I think you really need to get a grip. I have read many of Marine4Life's post's, how you came up with him being a woman is beyond me. Your comments toward's him/her/women saddens me. I don't agree with you on many of the items you have posted but I use to respect your right to your opinion. The attitude you have demonstrated in this thread towards women or the assumption that someone is a women scares the daylights out of me.

As for your question below:

[Marine4life]

Your quite welcome ma'am. You see he has never served and that sums it up. As for the degrading remarks towards women, well I just can't stand by and let that happen. Our soldiers don't need any doubt flying around from nonparticipants about their ability or mission. This kind of sympathizing remarks aids the enemy and undermined our Vets in Vietnam and I won't stand by and let the liberal attack machine destroy my son's credability this time around. You see it in the media, "the troops are not trained", "the troops are a discredit to this country", "They are fighting an illegitimate war" etc etc. We have all heard it. Really good boost to the confidence for our military. And then they turn around and say that they are supporting our troops. Thanks for your response and opinion, I for one am glad that I do not stand alone on this topic. I am also glad that I am not the only one who took his remarks toward my Ex-wife as degrading to all women. I am remarried now but she is still the mother of my son, who is serving abroad. If he would have said that cr*p within reach I wouldn't have wasted so much bandwidth, and it would have been settled in about two minutes! Sorry if I wasted a lot of everyones time with that MORON.
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Helicopter Marine Attack Squadron 169 which is now HMLA-169. They added Huey's to compliment the Cobra effectiveness. When I served we just had Snakes.

[mikest]

Navymomx2 wrote

[Marine4life]

Save it mikey, I just don't care and I told you that I passed on your appology, I also gave you their answer. As far as you blaming it on your boiling point well I have worked with women that are victims of domestic violence and their attacker always say they snapped, and that they are sorry. But it is inside of them to repeat because that's the way they work. You hit a nerve and I will admit that. All I can say is that you threw that remark out that degregates all women and you can't retract that. Get help with those issues for your wifes sake. I am sure that she has heard those remarks before. I certainly hope not but reality is that men who say those types of things about women usually extend it to their wife and are either abusers or headed for it. The first stage of domestic abuse is denegration (name calling) which always progresses with out intervention. Don't appologize to me you owe it to the women. Abuses that I have seen personally is the reason why I have no tolerance for such behavior.
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Helicopter Marine Attack Squadron 169 which is now HMLA-169. They added Huey's to compliment the Cobra effectiveness. When I served we just had Snakes.

[Navymomx2]

Marine4Life,

I am glad I am not the only one seeing what I read and hear on the media to which has been aimed at our military. I pray for your son's safe return.

I have been doing much reading the last few days of old newspapers dating back to the Vietnam period. I have a subscription for Geneology but have turned it into research on the subject of Vietnam right now, pretty much have been stayng in the 70-72 range at this time. What I have been reading is so sad. Just in case you didn't know, I was just a child during that period.

In what I have read so far I feel like it is deja vu. Reading about some of the protest's, some of which I know Kerry was at, is sounding much like some of the protest's I have seen on TV.

I agree, how can anyone say such degrading things as you state below, go out and protest but in the next breath, say they support the troops. I watched in horror last year a protest in a city near us, people said they supported our troops then went out and vandalized Old Glory. Do these morons actually think that what they say and do here at home doesn't get back to our troops over seas? As I have always said, actions speak louder than words.

God bless Our Troops

[mikest]

[sparky]

Don't let that vicious speculation get to you, mikest. You've been restrained in comparison to your opponents and nobody who knows about the issue could consider you a spouse abuser.

In fact, this sounds like a psychobabble version of "how long have you been beating your wife?"

[mikest]

It's Tom DeLay like mock outrage. He can say anything he wants about the President, liberals, dems and people who have not served. But don't you dare say anything he may find objectionable, that's (fill in the outrage). It's how these people keep the high ground in their minds.

Like I said before. I didn't like what I was becoming and where I was going in my arguments. I was thinking of bailing the site. But this kind of double standard has me thinking again. I'll have to give it more thought.

[sparky]

Stay here and do your patriotic duty! You're restrained by freeper standards and don't let them lay a guilt trip on you.

[Marine4life]

Mikey I am not calling you an abuser of your wife. I just meant that men who make those statements are normally abusers. If the shoe fits wear it. The fact is that comment was totally uncalled for in any context and it came from your flapper. Leads one to question your motives and your daily activties. Normally a person that uses the "N" word is not just a racists for the day, it goes much deeper. Calling a woman a B**CH and a C**T is just as degrading in my eyes. If your daily behavior against women is as I expect then I just asked you to get help. As far as your request to go to hell, well I have been there and sometimes it is better than dealing with an uneducated Moron like you.
I guess that you can figure that your meaningless appology is not accepted. I also noticed that you did not extend it to the women on this board, why is that beneath you.
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Helicopter Marine Attack Squadron 169 which is now HMLA-169. They added Huey's to compliment the Cobra effectiveness. When I served we just had Snakes.

[mikest]

I have tried since my first post on this site to be respectfull to everyone who was respectfull to me. The people who didn't attack me and try and label me where treated with the respect they deserved. This thread devolved when you accused me of not caring about people who were defending themselves and their family. You talk as if I do not want this country to be protected against the people who would like to see us fall. I tried to bring the tone back down last night. But I see you prefer to stay in attack mode. Fine, let's see who the moron is.

As the administration moved toward war, I studied the claims they were making. Every one of them was demonstrably false. There was no connection between 9/11 and Saddam as the admin inferred. Aluminum tubes were for conventional missles, the Niger uranium story was so easily disproved that he had to caveat it with the British angle. Chalabi had been discredited by the CIA, the State department and the Jordanians. The neocon argument that there would be flowers was laughable on it's face. The idea that the cost would be minimul was absurd. The idea that less than 140,000 troops could control a population of over 24,000,000 was utterly rediculous. The claims were falling so fast that they had to create a new intel agency that would "find" the facts that they wanted.

You fell for it hook, line and sinker. Peeople are jumping all over the Sarin shell but that still leaves 499.9995 tons of bio/cem weapons that the admin said he had. Every site that Chalabi and Co. sent them to has been a bust and now it appears that he has been working with the Iranians for some time.

See, I saw all of this and knew this was the wrong war to fight at the wrong time. Now we are paying for it and will continue to pay both financially/casualty and with the loss of respect in the world thanks to the neocons and the people who were too lazy to find out the truth.

[Marine4life]

Contrary my lad, you are falling hook line and sinker to the liberal spin. This is exactly where we need to be. Those people will never like us so world opinion counts for squat. But they better respect us and that is where we are today. When was the last time Lybia, Syria or any of those little butt nugget countries screwed with us? That's right they have come out and said that they don't want any problems with us, the big dog has awakened and thank God it it finally did. Lybia opened it's doors to inspection to avoid the rath of an attacked nation seeking total justice. So all that liberal dribble is just that dribble. Where do you get this cr*pola that Bush needed an excuse to go clean house, we were only in a ceasefire with Iraq contingent upon them complying fully with the ceasefire resolutions. They did not so ceasefire lifted end of story. He only asked for approval to make the whole group feel that they had a part and say in it. Clinton could have done the same thing and I would have backed him 100%. As a matter of fact I was angry because he didn't. The democrats stalled us for 6 months in going in buying plenty of time for Sadaam to disperse and move his cache to Syria and bury the rest. It is there. Dashole, Gephardt, Kennedy should be held accountable for aiding the enemy. They went over to meet with Sadaam and warn him that they couldn't hold Bush off much longer. Now dispute that the democratic leadership didn't go over and meet with sadaam and his clonies prior to the war. Of course they portray that they went over to diplomatically try to get him to allow inspections. Diplomacy does not work with terrorists.
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Helicopter Marine Attack Squadron 169 which is now HMLA-169. They added Huey's to compliment the Cobra effectiveness. When I served we just had Snakes.

[mikest]

[Craig]

[Marine4life]

No flaws except in your logic. Most Iraqi homes do not have RPG's as you claim, or fully automatic weapons. The people have been ordered to surrender all of their weapons except the police and military that we are training. Keep them against that order in a time of war, so sad to bad. Why would they have any weapons in this so called innocent place for a wedding? A place I might add that has been documented as a haven for militia members to cross the border back and fourth to Syria?
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Helicopter Marine Attack Squadron 169 which is now HMLA-169. They added Huey's to compliment the Cobra effectiveness. When I served we just had Snakes.