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[Kimmymac]

I am afraid that under Mr. Kerry's leadership we will have one America that will not be "red, white, and blue" but red, black, and blue.

Shawa has made a great point (one among many made on this thread) about Kerry and his rage against his father for what John-boy perceived as put downs of his "sophmoric ideas".

So other than learning the father was smarter than the son, I think it gives a fascinating insight into sonny. Still seeking the "old man's" approval, but feeling he is not "good enough" to win it. Maybe it is what all the fantasy heroics/medals were about; and when that failed to impress the old man, he repudiated them.

Which leads me to make the point I have been saying since the Clinton era. Observing these people and their supporters in their vitrolic rantings against "The Establishment" leads me to believe that the majority of them are stuck in some sort of 60's era Woodstock/Kent State time warp. They are frustrated and bitter because they were wrong then, and they are wrong now. I think it explains why they go after the 18-25 year olds with such a vengence, bordering on hysteria: they simply can not believe that young people are trending conservative.

So when Mr. Kerry looks in the mirror can he see his own reflection...or can he only see himself in polls and in the reflected glory of "accomplishments"?

And for what it is worth, it is my belief that this organization, SBVFT, is primarily responsible for re-energizing the Bush campaign. You guys are da best, and may God bless you all.

--kimmymac

[Herb]

[Herb]

Kerry's doing it again.

Practically the same speech he gave last night.

The best thing (for Kerry) about last night is that even most of the liberal media didn't cover it straight through and it might have gone unnoticed, but the idiot is REPEATING IT.

Rule of politics: If you cannot refute the charges, don't keep repeating what your opponent says about you. (Or especially what your opponent doesn't SAY, but rather is the obvious conclusion about you based on the facts your opponent recites.)

Kerry is standing up their talking about people 'questioning his patriotism' and people saying he is 'unfit for office'.
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Herb

[FredRum]

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...I'm going to send Mr. Kerry some hearing aides...

I just saw a clip of him on FNC, talking about how his "patriotism" was attacked last night..

That guy has THE worst case of selective hearing I think I've ever seen...

Grrrr..

e,

Georgi

(accidentaly put this in the wrong spot to start with.. ~L~ I think this is where I meant it to go)

[Bob Chamberlain]

[mangdawg]

good point, bob.

someone should ask him to clarify how long his "tours" were.

he also should be asked if he ever applied for a deferment and if so, how many

[shawa]

I think the key to Kerry's personality is the belittling attitude of his father. He has to raise his self-esteem by over-emphasizing everything he does. i.e.the Silver Star is not good enough, he has to add the "V". Then he has to keep changing the citation to make himself more heroic. When he comes back from Nam, he revels in being the public voice of VVAW and being the center of attention in testifying to made up accusations of attrocities. Vietnam IS his personna !! Has he been driven to criminal acts of changing his records because he has to always be better?

Being a Vietnam war HERO is all that he has. Otherwise, he is an empty suit. There's no other THERE there. The man is mental!! It is really evident when you read The Solitary Soldier that he was a troubled youth...problems in school, unable to make friends. His remarks about Adm. Borda are telling!! SELF ESTEEM?????

[noc]

Every time I hear Kerry say the word "Unfit", I hear that little soumnd of a cash register ringing.

Cha-Ching. Another copy of Unfit for Command sells.

[Steve Z]

Kerry blames the Republicans for criticizing his patriotism, but to what convention was HE listening?

Dick Cheney called his service in Vietnam "honorable", but then criticized Kerry's voting record in the Senate. Zell Miller criticized his votes against military procurement, and President Bush criticized his votes against "conservative values" and for higher taxes.

None of this criticizes Kerry's patriotism, only his voting record in the Senate. But if a Senator is running for President, isn't it fair to judge the Senator by what he has done in the Senate? Isn't that his JOB???

It's the SBVT, and not the Republicans, who are questioning Kerry's patriotism, but calling hundreds of thousands of fellow soldiers murderers and rapists is not exactly patriotic!
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The traitor will crater!

[Bob Chamberlain]

We know precisely how long his tours were. The USS Gridley spent 4 months on a WestPac deployment (February to June of 1968), of which almost precisely 7 weeks were spent in waters contiguous to Vietnam.

Kerry was assigned to Coastal Squadron One (Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam) for a 12 month tour of duty. Kerry arrived in country on November 17, 1969. He bugged out on March 20, 1969, having completed 4 months and 3 days of service.

There is room for error of a day or two on the date of leaving Vietnam. He might actually have left as late as the 24th. Other than that, these dates are well documented.

[shawa]

I don't want to seem evil, but what if in the debates, when Kerry answers a question, Bush replies with the TRIGGER words "that's sophomoric!"

Does Kerry go into a meltdown? OH NO! IT'S MY FATHER AGAIN!!!

Wouldn't it be just DELICIOUS!!!

[wvobiwan]

As someone in this thread alluded to earlier, I bet John Edwards is highly PO-ed. Clinton and the DNC maneuvered Kerry into the spotlight instead of Edwards in order to ensure that no "star" could possibly derail Hillary's aspirations in the 2008 election.

Clinton knew that Kerry would lose - while he is a *******, he's also one of the cleverest (read: slimiest) political animals ever. Therefore after Kerry goes down in flames Hillary can ride in on her white horse.

Edwards probably is now realizing that if the DNC had backed HIS candidacy instead of Kerry, the Dems would likely be leading this race right now. Clinton saw himself in Edwards - good looking, glib, down-home accent, and an 'aw shucks' delivery style - and therefore had to shut him down, quick.

So now Edwards is relegated to standing by and watching Kerry get peeled like an onion. Our little ambulance chaser realized that Hanoi John is destroying Edward's career along with his own. Welcome to the Bigs, you naive little [...shudder...] lawyer. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Watch for Hillary to attempt to move towards the center over the next 4 years, or at least disguise her liberal views. A Hillary presidency would be as bad as a Kerry presidency, or worse. But she'll lose too - the days of shameless liberal pandering, PC idiocy, and moral equivalence are coming to an end. We Americans see it now for what it is - encouragement for terrorists and anti-Americanism disguised as 'sensitivity'.

If not for 9/11, someone like Edwards could very possibly have won this election, in the same ridiculous, left-media-assisted way that Clinton did - twice. He certainly was, in my opinion, the most dangerous candidate in the race - even more so than Lieberman (too conservative to appeal to the loony left).

But 9/11 actually DID wake America up, notwithstanding all the Democratic attempts to lull them back to sleep and turn Iraq in Vietnam. Americans learned from the Vietnam episode that the time to protest the war is BEFORE it starts, not after. Dems are very careful to insist that they 'support the troops', but then immediately denigrate their very reason for being there. And of course the Dem surrogates at the NYT and WaPo aide and abet every story negative about the troops and their CIC.

The Dems and leftist media are willing participants in Iraqi insurgent and terrorist dreams of exploiting a perceived American split on the issue. Just like the NVA in Vietnam - for the Dems it IS Vietnam all over again. Is this any surprise considering who they are running for President?
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Doug
"Proud of my Dad, 2-tour veteran of VN."
Kerry/Edwards Foreign Policy Slogan: Accept our surrender or we'll sue!

[jimlarsen]

I alsays thought that the two "tours of duty" were the one in Viet Nam and the one in Paris.

and -
The comments about Kerry's father giving him an inferiority complex seems to me to be a reasonable conclusion consdering his actions. He needed metals to prove how brave he was. He needed home movies to prove how important he was. He needed rank (on the certificates) to prove how fit he was. And, in spite of his best efforts to fill his needs, he seems obsessed with the realization the he failed, which he puts into the mouths of others so he can argue with himself the merits of his serevice.

[Beatrice1000]