| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
BigEd80
Seaman Recruit
Joined: 05 Sep 2004
Posts: 8
|
 Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:35 am Post subject: Schwarzenegger's Speech being refuted |
 |
|
| I read on Fox News that there are a group of historians refuting Schwarzenegger's speech saying that there was no Socialists in Austria at the time he lived there. I just want to know what you all think of this. Seems like work of the media again. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
kurtsprincess
Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Posts: 80
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
Tooooo funny........socialists live everywhere!
BTW......this forum is about Kerry and his qualifications to be CIC, not about Arnold or Bush.
_________________
KP
A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Last edited by kurtsprincess on Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:43 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
LewWaters
Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004
Posts: 4042
Location: Washington State
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
I think they can say whatever they wish, it won't make any difference. When he was a child, he would have been able to travel with his family across the borders and would have seen them.
_________________
Clark County Conservative |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lrb111
Captain
Joined: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 508
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:42 am Post subject: Re: Schwarzenegger's Speech being refuted |
|
|
| BigEd80 wrote: | | I read on Fox News that there are a group of historians refuting Schwarzenegger's speech saying that there was no Socialists in Austria at the time he lived there. I just want to know what you all think of this. Seems like work of the media again. |
Just the normal, "deny, deflect, obfuscate"..
If they weren't there where were they? 
_________________
said Democratic Chairman Terry McAuliffe. "It is inexcusable to mock service and sacrifice."
well, when even the DNC can see it,,,,, then kerry is toast. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wolfgang
Ensign
Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 61
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 4:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
Schwarzenegger made it very explicit that he saw these things during his visits to the Soviet sector; he wasn't talking about his home town, and I don't see how anyone could possibly take him as asserting that.
But of course, some of the extremists either care little for the truth or are so impassioned that they're blinded to it, in either case focussing only on what seems an opportunity for victory. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Polaris
Rear Admiral
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 626
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
Everyone, the argument is (at least by those that know what they are talking about) is that by the time Arnold was a child, the occupation forces had already pulled out of Austria. [Some will claim that there were no Soviet troops in Austria, but that isn't so. Vienna was under Soviet control for many years.]
Unfortunately for them, Arnold was able to (albeit barely) to remember Soviet troops in Austria. The occupation forces pulled out of Austria in 1950 IIRC....and Arnold was three years old. That's very young, but if the memory were sharp enough, it is old enough to remember it.
_________________
-Polaris
Truth is Beauty |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
7rrfs
Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 21 Aug 2004
Posts: 99
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
he was telling a story. he was selling the story.
he embellished.
fuh-get-about it
_________________
"I served admirably in Vietnam" John Kerry
"Yes, I committed atrocities in Vietnam" John Kerry |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bhlewis
Ensign
Joined: 05 Sep 2004
Posts: 63
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
The Second Republic.
From 1945 until 1966 Austria was governed by a coalition of the Socialist and People's parties. The number of positions each party received depended on its share of votes in parliamentary elections. This framework was extended to the economic sphere, as the state, industry, labor, and agricultural interests developed a partnership and created a modified market economy. Prosperity rested in part on nationalized industries, such as electric power plants and oil refineries; the government also controlled the banks. A new Austrian national consciousness developed based on shared experiences of wartime devastation, reestablishment of national sovereignty, successful reconstruction of the country, and the international prestige gained from Austria's unique position as a bridge between East and West.
The coalition weathered occasional differences and the passing of prewar and wartime leaders. President Renner died in December 1950 and was succeeded by the Socialist party leader, Theodor Koerner (1873-1957). While Socialist candidates were elected to the presidency (until 1986), the People's party supplied all the federal chancellors until 1970. Elections to the National Assembly in 1956, 1959, and 1962 resulted in little change in the relative strength of the two main parties. In 1957 Austria became embroiled in a dispute with Italy over the status of Austrians in the South Tirol, which had been under Italian rule since 1919. The settlement finally reached in 1970 called for implementation of a 1946 agreement guaranteeing the linguistic and cultural rights of the German-speaking Austrian population.
In 1960 Austria became a signatory to the pact establishing the European Free Trade Association (EFTA). The government announced in July 1961 that it would seek an association with the European Economic Community (EEC; now the European Union) that was compatible with its military neutrality. The initial Socialist party opposition to participation waned gradually, and in 1972 Austria signed a bilateral free-trade agreement with the EEC.
The coalition government broke down in October 1965 because of a budget dispute that eventually forced the resignation of Chancellor Josef Klaus (1910-2001); however, his party gained a small majority in the National Assembly elections of March 1966, allowing Klaus to form the first People's party government in the Second Republic.
The Kreisky chancellorship.
The Socialists won a narrow victory in March 1970, which for the first time made them the largest party in the National Assembly. Lacking a majority, however, Socialist leader Bruno Kreisky (1911-90) tried, but failed, to form a coalition with the People's party. In May he was appointed chancellor and formed the first Austrian all-Socialist cabinet, supported in the National Assembly by the smaller Freedom party. In the 1971 elections the Socialists received an absolute majority of 93 seats and were able to govern alone. The Kreisky era was marked by modernization and a dramatic increase in the standard of living for people in all social classes. Many social and labor reforms were introduced. Kreisky's foreign policy initiatives gave Austria a position in international affairs far beyond its size. Despite his popularity and achievements, opposition developed around environmental issues, financial scandals, proposed tax increases, and especially the building of a nuclear power plant near Vienna. When antinuclear forces won a narrow victory in a 1978 referendum, the government was forced to abandon the nearly completed plant. Kreisky resigned in 1983, after the Socialists lost their absolute majority in the National Assembly.
|
Well, according to first line of this World Almanac article, "from 1945 until 1966 Austria was governed by a coalition of the Socialist and People's parties." Then you can see that the Socialists take majority control in 1971 which is a little after Arnold left Austria. Arnold *might* be overstating the truth for political gain, but it seems that the Socialists certainly played a role in the Austrian government. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Wolfgang
Ensign
Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 61
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Polaris
Rear Admiral
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 626
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
Wolfgang,
Yep. Doing a bit of research since I posted last on this thread, and you are correct. A 4 powers agreement was reached in 1955 that allowed Austria to regain her independence under a "Finlandization" plan, i.e. enforced neutrality, no bases, etc etc.
Also I note that while Arnold's familiy lived in the UK zone, Vienna was in the Soviet Zone, so I can easily believe that he may well have (as a child) travelled into the Soviet zone and saw tanks.
Also by US standards, almost all the Austrian parties are socialists (even the so-called Christian Democrats)....so it looks like Arnold was telling the truth. (Imagine that)
_________________
-Polaris
Truth is Beauty |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Hammer2
PO2
Joined: 30 Aug 2004
Posts: 387
Location: Texas
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
Yeah, I love the way that the MSM debunkers claimed that conservative parties ran the country when Arnold lived there. By that definition of "conservative", the current crop of Democrats here should be called "Republican Right Wingers".
_________________
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilence" - Thomas Jefferson
"An armed society is a polite society" - Thomas Jefferson
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won't be needed until someone tries to take it away." -- Thomas Jefferson |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
msindependent
Vice Admiral
Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 891
Location: Colorado
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
He talked about crossing through check points when he was young. Kids here had to do the duck and tuck drill at school, I'm sure some of them were scared. I would think that it was really hard on a kid living right next to Russia. The MSM here and abroad never give up, what jerks.
--------------------------
No Traitors in the White House |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
oasis
Lieutenant
Joined: 21 Aug 2004
Posts: 201
Location: Florida, want some sun? LoL!
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:37 am Post subject: John Kerry VS California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger |
|
|
Hello,
Arnold Schwarzenegger is telling the truth. John Kerry on the other hand is a Flip-Flopper 
| Quote: | Birthname: Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger
Nickname: Arnie
Born: 30 July 1947, Graz, Austria.
Height: 6' 2"
|
| Quote: | As long as I live, I will never forget that day 21 years ago when I raised my hand and took the oath of citizenship.
Do you know how proud I was? I was so proud that I walked around with an American flag around my shoulders all day long. |
| Quote: | When I was a boy, the Soviets occupied part of Austria. I saw their tanks in the streets. I saw communism with my own eyes. I remember the fear we had when we had to cross into the Soviet sector. Growing up, we were told, "Don't look the soldiers in the eye. Look straight ahead." It was a common belief that Soviet soldiers could take a man out of his own car and ship him off to the Soviet Union as slave labor.
My family didn't have a car ¡ª but one day we were in my uncle's car. It was near dark as we came to a Soviet checkpoint. I was a little boy, I wasn't an action hero back then, and I remember how scared I was that the soldiers would pull my father or my uncle out of the car and I'd never see him again. My family and so many others lived in fear of the Soviet boot. Today, the world no longer fears the Soviet Union and it is because of the United States of America!
|
Arnold loves America and he is a free man.
Arnold's speech
Text of Schwarzenegger's speech at RNC
_________________
-Oasis
Please donate to the.. RED CROSS |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
integritycounts
Rear Admiral
Joined: 11 Aug 2004
Posts: 667
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
Arnold said the reason why he became a Republican was because he was impressed with Richard Nixon.....one of the boldest statements said by a politician in decades. The Politically Correct Speech Police were awe struck.
Considering this statement, which I believe can only be the truth....I really am not too concerned about anything else in Arnold's speech been to distant from the pure truth. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MAXX
Ensign
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
Posts: 68
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 10:05 am Post subject: The Austria that Arnie left |
|
|
Well I'm Autrian and if the left wing media wants to get picky here's my take..
The "Social Democrats" changed their name in the 1990ies.. before that they were called SOCIALIST. If you want to know what they stood and stand for look at Vermont leftie Bernie Sanders and Walter Mondale. Our SPÖ (Social Democratic Party now, formerly the Socialists) stands in between this spectrum..
While Austria now is firmly rooted in a market economy, we still have a high percentage of government owned industry here. And up to the late 1990ies, when folks stood up and booted the Socialists from power (they were the dominant party since 1970) the percentage was even higher..
At times our "public quota" share of GDP was higher than 45%. And "public ownership" of big industry was higher than 50%. I guess if the transformation of Eastern Europe hadn't happened we would still be that - a near SOCIALIST country..
Arnie is right on principle. The left fights back on "semantics". They are just creeps. In the US, in Austria and in nearly all other countries..
MAXX (from Austria) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
