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tugboatphil
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| SEABEE_JAG wrote: |
Your feelings were hurt. Your pride was wounded.
WERE YOU DENIED THE TICKET OF ADMISSION TO A PROFESSION OR JOB ?
The actual harm - careers and incomes - was real and measurable. |
Yeah, I guess that is much more injurious than having a "fellow" officer's words, admitting to war crimes, played to you while hanging from a ceiling with your shoulders tied together, as some guard thugs beat you unconscious.
Careers and incomes......now THAT'S important!!
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rikkoshay
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Joined: 22 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 4:14 pm Post subject: I'm signing on too |
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I'm not a Vietnam vet, but I've been fuming for days/weeks wishing someone would speak up and demand an accounting of Kerry's actions, and actually of the govt for not acting back in the 70's. I'm so glad to see someone taking action against Kerry for his crimes!!! Yes, please keep us posted on the outcome. Wish there was some way to see if there are others doing the same thing as you. Wonder whether it would be best for one huge suit or tons of smaller/individual ones? I bet if the DoJ got mass quantities of these types of letters, they'd actually do something about them. Would it be a good idea to also cc your Senators and Reps -- harder to shuffle under the table that way.
Thanks for your service to our country,
a peacetime Navy vet
We need to become the noiseist squeaky wheel this country has ever heard to ensure the currently loudest dem/lib/anti-war/anti-America/communist/socialist/big-media squeaky wheel doesn't do to our guys in Irag (and Afghanistan and elsewhere) what they/Kerry/Fonda did to our Vietnam vets. Go bloggers and the New Media!!! Pull back the Oz-like curtain to expose the truth. |
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Minimar
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Location: Italy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: I'm signing on too |
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[quote="rikkoshay"]I'm not a Vietnam vet, but I've been fuming for days/weeks wishing someone would speak up and demand an accounting of Kerry's actions, and actually of the govt for not acting back in the 70's.
Thanks for your support! I don't believe that this is a Vietnam Vet issue; we were just the victims of 'john kerry' and the like. This is an issue of Anerica's Honor that is protected by everyone (like you) who cares about honor and freedom and all of 'Us' who do their part (not important what part) to protect them ... in America... in Iraq... Wherever we are needed.
Kerry confessed to 'war crimes' in Vietnam; and he defamed America's Fathers, Sons, Mothers and Daughters who served in Vietnam ... with his accusations and charges before the Congress. These are crimes! He was derelict in his duties as a Naval Officer when he did not pursue those who violated the Geneva Convention and bring charges against them! He put his boat and crew in danger, when he (as he stated) against orders left his 'Post' and entered shoreline villages! That is a crime! Kerry is a 'criminal' and insult to America! An insult which rings-out through the memories and tears of the Vietnamese People! He has stolen America's Honor and Respect ... and must pay for that before the International Community.
Once again, I have individually mailed to each US Senator (this evening) copies of copies to Judicial Watch and the US Justice Department with my official charges. If I can't get America's Representatives to follow through ... I will get European Legal Support to do so...
Thanks again! Keep in touch! I will do the same!
Have a great evening!
Gregg
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rikkoshay
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| Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I have individually mailed to each US Senator (this evening) copies of copies to Judicial Watch and the US Justice Department with my official charges. If I can't get America's Representatives to follow through ... I will get European Legal Support to do so... |
Thanks Gregg. Glad to see you're sending to all the Senators. I take it you haven't heard back from any of them? I'm surprised you haven't heard from Missouri's Roy Blunt. Of course, he's not for Kerry at all and seems to be unafraid to speak up (see http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200409\NAT20040915b.html ) about other issues. If I can help, let me know.
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Minimar
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Location: Italy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:32 am Post subject: |
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[quote="rikkoshay"] | Quote: | Thanks Gregg. Glad to see you're sending to all the Senators. I take it you haven't heard back from any of them?
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I believe it is I, who needs to say thanks! The very few of you guys and gals who have the courage to get involved in supporting 'the Real Issue' in this mess ... help me greatly! There are times (scary times), when I start to understand how terrorism (in it's ignorant way of dealing with stress and oppression) bloomed. The Navy Head ... says "He" doesn't feel an investigation into Kerry's records is necessary! Another "One" says it's not necessary for Congress to investigate CBS's attempted destruction of the US President! The entire 'Senate Body' doesn't have the 'guts' to respond to an official (AND VALID) charge against Kerry .. in defense of America ... it's Armed Forces ... it's VOTERS and American Citizens! 'Congress' (in this POLITICAL & KETCHUP CASE) doesn't follow through on 'Confessed War Crimes' ... but wants THE WORLD to do so! WHAT THE 'H_ _ _' is going-on back there? Have we reached the point of 'Media' and 'Political Ambition' governing the US and deciding-upon 'Who' is heard under the FIRST AMENDMENT? On this issue, I won't give up... and I won't let the 'systems' block the 'FACTS' and the 'TRUTH'. I am considering speaking with the Italian Law Firm here, which is defending Saddam Hussein... they seem to have the INTEREST in facing the 'BIG ISSUES'! America's attorneys ... Senators... Judicial Watch ... the Attorney General... Department of Justice ... Congress ... WHERE ARE THEIR INTERESTS?
AMERICA... IT'S FREEDOM AND RIGHTS FOR ALL THOSE AROUND THE WORLD WHO DESERVE THEM... IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR!!! If we don't ... WHAT ARE WE?
Your offer to HELP is appreciated and accepted: ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO GET ME IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC EYES AND THOSE WHO ARE HIDING IN THE POLITICAL AND MEDIA' CLOSETS. AND, I thank you sincerely for being with me! MY HOPES WERE... that everyone involved in these forums ... BEGAN TO SEND E-MAILS TO EVERYONE THEY HAVE CONTACT WITH = ASKING THEM TO READ AND FORWARD TO THEIR CONTACTS & ... SO ON!!! That didn't happen! When I gave-up years of my life fighting the effects of 'Agent Orange' ... and fighting at local area chapters ... testifying at Senate Hearings ... etc. I witnessed: that it was easy to get 'the Guys & Gals' emotionally involved over coffeeeee; but, when they walked-out of the meetings and back into their 'lives' ... they became 'ghosts' and vanished! In the KERRY ISSUE ... I find this hard to believe, or to accept, that THIS is happening all over again! THE SWIFT BOAT VETS ARE 'OUR' FAMILY! THERE SHOULD BE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MILITARY (ACTIVE AND/OR VETERAN) FROM ALL THE BRANCHES AND GUARDS... AND RESERVES ... AND THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS AS US CITIZENS in the streets, on the FAXES & PHONES ... with this ISSUE! THE FACTS ARE OBVIOUS!!!
With the APPRECIATED AND SINCERE SUPPORT I get from AMERICANS like you and the others who have wrote to me ... I will go on against KERRY & ANYONE in any position who feels that they come before God or Allah or Buddah or the Great Spirit, or Etc.!!! I love Life! I won't abandon It's Principles and Desires for God's Children ... in the States... in Africa... in Iraq... in the Universe. YEP! I can lose the little I have ... but I WON'T LOSE THE 'MYSELF' THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME FROM BEYOND THE HEART, MIND, BANK ACCOUNTS, POLITICS... AND SO ON! The 'BEING' I am is too beautiful and precious to give-up: LIFE GIVES ME MORE THAN 'SOCIETY' and 'MATERIALISM' CAN EVER!
THANKS AGAIN! HAVE A GREAT DAY ... wherever you are!!!
Gregg
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rikkoshay
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:03 pm Post subject: More thoughts |
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Gregg, been thinking about your comments about possibly bringing in European/non-American legal beagles if the US won't act. I think that's a majorly wrong move. It's rather akin to Kerry wanting to hand control of us over to the UN. It would give them way too much power if you try to use that avenue. Please keep dogging away at the Reps, etc and work within our system. Frustrating I know, but 'good things take time', and 'patience is a virtue' and all that, ya know. Besides, the probable reality is is that nothing will be done about it until after the election anyway. Once he's defeated... all heck will break loose and things will begin to move in that way. I could be wrong, but I think not.
Have a great day too.
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Minimar
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Joined: 20 Aug 2004
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Location: Italy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:49 am Post subject: Re: More thoughts |
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| rikkoshay wrote: | Gregg, been thinking about your comments about possibly bringing in European/non-American legal beagles if the US won't act. I think that's a majorly wrong move. It's rather akin to Kerry wanting to hand control of us over to the UN. It would give them way too much power if you try to use that avenue. Please keep dogging away at the Reps, etc and work within our system. Frustrating I know, but 'good things take time', and 'patience is a virtue' and all that, ya know. Besides, the probable reality is is that nothing will be done about it until after the election anyway. Once he's defeated... all heck will break loose and things will begin to move in that way. I could be wrong, but I think not.
Have a great day too. |
Hi Rikkoshay!
The Kerry UN comparison ... I don't buy. He is following his path ... North Vietnam, North Korea, the UN! I am happy to see that Our Government has given them a fairly clear message: that we will do what is right with or without the UN.
I have always felt to be a 'Citizen' of the Universe and Planet Earth. I believe in getting the 'Right' done for 'All' who share this Place with me. If the US Senate... the US Congress... the US Media doesn't have the 'guts' to address the FACTS & TRUTHS, I believe THOSE WHO WILL are important... not for where they are = but whom they are = and what they are willing to do & can do for the 'All' including Americans.
I gave a LIFETIME to the USA! I feel guilty that I didn't for Africa, Iraq and the other Nations who suffered under oppression and abandonment during my passage here. IF no one in the US wants to address me ... that's OK! I will still go on with RESOLVING the ISSUE! Waiting for the potentiality that the same mentality (that doesn't have what it takes to confront Kerry as a 'war criminal', 'officer negligent in his duties', and an 'officer who disobeyed orders' - all confessed by him; a mentality, that doesn't respect a 'legal claim' against 'kerry' for the damages he has done ... and is now increasing heavily those damages) to elect 'kerry' for president ... and to destroy the world and country I (and Everyone) fought for and built by doing their own part ... is not my intentions.
I agree, that it is sad our Senators and Media is running a 'popularity contest' on 'selected SAFE issues'! I agree that it is sad; an American (especially a Heavy Combat Vet' who fought with honor and never committed 'war crimes') ... has to approach Foreign Legal and Political Sources to be heard on charges and complaints that EVERY HONORABLE VET & AMERICAN is questioning. Nevertheless, it would be much sadder... if I leave them get away with their 'Politics'! I have too many memories of ... Suicides. One attempt after Nam ... I am...
Thanks for staying close to me!
Gregg
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rikkoshay
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:46 pm Post subject: re: re: more thoughts |
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Hi again Gregg, I beg to disagree with you on the nuances of these issues, but I'm not going to spend much time arguing about it since it seems you are on a set path and no one is going to change it. Too much already on my plate. You need to focus on, and do, what you feel is the right way to go, as do I. Wish I could help you shed your guilt and anger but only God can do that and only if you ask him to.
I'll just address a few things:
| Quote: | | The Kerry UN comparison ... I don't buy. He is following his path ... North Vietnam, North Korea, the UN! |
Looks pretty much like parallel paths to me
| Quote: | | I have always felt to be a 'Citizen' of the Universe and Planet Earth. I believe in getting the 'Right' done for 'All' who share this Place with me. |
I don''t believe that pitting a European court against an American court over an American legal issue will serve the downtrodden in the world one iota.
| Quote: | | If the US Senate... the US Congress... the US Media doesn't have the 'guts' to address the FACTS & TRUTHS |
It may be slow going but it is working. It's amazing to see the meltdown of the traditional media here. Remember, you are probably seeing a slanted view of what is going on over here via the equivalent 'european big media'. If you can, listen DAILY for at least one month to as many conservative AM talk radio shows as you can... it'll give you a better insight and uplifting hope for where our media is heading. (I recommend Rush, Hannity, Ingram at a minimum)
Good luck in your quest, Gregg. Maybe we'll talk in other forums or on other subjects. No hard feelings that I disagree with your methods for a class action suit I hope.
God bless you.
Signing off,
Proud to be a Subject of God, and a citizen of the USA.
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Minimar
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: re: re: more thoughts |
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[quote="rikkoshay"]I don''t believe that pitting a European court against an American court over an American legal issue will serve the downtrodden in the world one iota.[quote]
| Quote: | | Good luck in your quest, Gregg. Maybe we'll talk in other forums or on other subjects. No hard feelings that I disagree with your methods for a class action suit I hope. God bless you. Signing off, Proud to be a Subject of God, and a citizen of the USA. |
Hi Rikkoshay! 'War Crimes' in a foreign country are not just an 'American Issue' ... according to me; I feel that 'Vietnam' has the right to be involved ... and under the Geneva Convention: the International Court Systems. Especially, when 'kerry' seems to be working more on the COMMUNIST FRONT than AMERICAN (North Vietnam Hero + North Korean Spies + North ?)...
I was heavily involved with the SLOW MOVING 'Agent Orange' politics and media ... both as a 'victim' and as a Vet involved in fighting for the Vets and Civilians with health effects. I believe +/- 20 years passed by before the serious 'Admissions' and 'Involvements' came about... I testified at Senate hearings ... and watched 'Others' who testified die away from cancer, etc.
To repeat the same torturous path on this issue? I have no interest! 'kerry' already escaped 'American Justice' for over 34 years ... and those you mentioned (that bare patience) have already demonstrated that 'patience' is only for them a 'profit' of time. Time, during which 'kerry's victims' continue-on to be 'victims' or pass away 'Victims for Eternity'.
The World is uniting... and that's what the 'God' you mention wants. In good times ... in bad times... on issues that can be solved locally ... on issues that can't. It's God's Will and Justice that counts ... not nationalism. I too am proud to be American! But, in First Place, I am proud to be One of God's Children within this Universe. I believe that 'Right' comes before protecting boundaries; and I believe that's what America's involvement in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa ... etc. ... is all about too!
Here, I have Sky TV: FOX NEWS, CNN, NBC & THE GANG ... I follow both sides of the 'Proverbial Coin'. You are right: here the MEDIA REFLECTION is painted to convenience; but, the facts FROM THE USA are as they are: Major Corruption and Lies in politics, the media (for example CBS), the Senate's addressing 'their favored issues' ... Who's Who in the Winner's Blue Book ... and the like. I see it clearly ... from outside of it! The Reality Impact is much stronger ... as I question more and more: Where is Honesty, Truth and Honor on this Planet, if not within the Country that I love as 'Home'? Inside, it's harder to see in an objective way ... outside one sees it like it is.
And! When one doesn't fully agree ... they vanish from 'resolving' the issue...
I have no hard feelings for anyone! Especially you. I have seen it all ... lived most of it ... and I am Proud to be a 'Being' alive in 'man' within this Universe; which is My First Home. I know Whom you call 'God' probably better than the Pope will ever know here or after. I know Life! And, I know that hundreds of thousands of 'kerry's victims' have suffered long enough under "... traditional political and media ways"! If America doesn't respond ... I will!
Thanks for stopping by ... to take a look ... and to pass on!
Have a Great Life & Day!
Gregg
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