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[Platoon Daddy]

PhuCat to Phu Quoc

Hard to belive I type too fast!! Hell, I only use one finger at a time so that I don't wear both of them out. Us grunts never were blessed with those normal long' lean typin' fingers.... way too flimsey for pullin' down on the trigger. Gotta have those short, thick meaty types.
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VietNam vet proud to have served alongside of heros. 2/35th Inf. - 4th ID ( 69-70 ) 11B4P

[DougReese]

[Greenhat]

[h3digital]

Hey guys, just sent some photos to ASAB. I Asked him not to share them with the world, their private but you all seem to trust him. We been having good debate with no name calling or whatever just good old fashioned conversation. Take care guys.
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[DougReese]

[Platoon Daddy]

DougReese Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:53 pm Post subject:

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Greenhat wrote:
Platoon Daddy wrote:
PhuCat, LewWaters,ASPB.........


*LMAO* Forgot that all of you fellow vets are not ARMY. I'll talk reeeeaalll slow likethen.

MOS is Military Occupation Skill

19E4H is someone who is in Armor ( tanks...the kind that have tracks & such....not septic tanks) *G*

11B4P is an Airborne Infantry folk.....ya know, two things that fall from the sky, bird @*$! and fools?

I found some interesting stuff about Kerrys DD214 concerning his Silver Star. Scroll down to the bottom of this link, and read the awards list.
http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp or here at Kerrys website http://www.johnkerry.com/about/DD214.pdf
Interesting that they show a Silver Star with "V" device...while the actual citation signed by the Secretary Of The Navy shows no "V" awarded. http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Silver_Star.pdf Plus on his uniform ribbons, there is no "V" attached to the Silver Star ribbon. Typo???


There is no such thing as a "V" device for the Silver Star.


Ditto.

For the awards that are "below" the SS, such as the Bronze Star and (in the case of the Army) the Army Commendation Medal -- both of which can be awarded for service -- there must be a "V" device if for valor. The Silver Star, however, is for valor only.

Doug



And that's my point! Why on Kerry's website does he show his DD214 with the "V" device for his Silver Star, when we all know that there is no such authorization to do so. Seems to be a bit more of embellishment on the Senators part I would say. Makes the resume look better?

I checked into his award of the VietNam Service Medal because of the original awarding of the medal PLUS four battle stars, all this done in 6 months or less combined tours, which I find extremely hard to believe. Initially according to his DD214 posted on his website, it shows the initial award. But, a DD215 (correction to DD Form 214) dated 12 March 2001 now shows deleting the original award and adding the original award back PLUS 4 bronze service stars!! http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

Now, using his naval service timeline info found on his website, http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/service.html
and applying it to the chart:
Here are the Named Campaigns:

1) Vietnam Advisory Campaign -
15 March 1962 - 7 March 1965

2) Vietnam Defense Campaign -
8 March - 24 December 1965

3) Vietnamese Counteroffensive -
25 December 1965 - 30 June 1966

4) Vietnamese Counteroffensive Phase II -
1 July 1966 - 31 May 1967

5) Vietnamese Counteroffensive Phase III -
1 June 1967 - 29 January 1968

6) Tet Counteroffensive -
30 January - 1 April 1968

7) Vietnamese Counteroffensive Phase IV -
2 April - 30 June 1968

8] Vietnamese Counteroffensive Phase V -
1 July - 1 November 1968

9) Vietnamese Counteroffensive Phase VI -
2 November 1968 - 22 February 1969

10) Tet 69/Counteroffensive -
23 February - 8 June 1969

11) Vietnam Summer - Fall 1969 -
9 June - 31 October 1969

12) Vietnam Winter - Spring 1970 -
1 November 1969 - 30 April 1970

13) Sanctuary Counteroffensive -
1 May - 30 June 1970

14) Vietnamese Counteroffensive Phase VII -
1 July 1970 - 30 June 1971

15) Consolidation I -
1 July 1971 - 30 November 1971

16) Consolidation II -
1 December 1971 - 29 March 1972

17) Vietnam Ceasefire Campaign -
30 March 1972 - 28 January 1973

This is how you find out how many "bronze service stars" you place on your Vietnam Service Medal and Ribbon. One star is placed on the medal/ribbon for second and subsequent "Named Campaign" that you personally participated in. A small "silver service star" replaces (5) bronze service stars.

Here's how the stars go per campaign period:

1-4 campaigns - 1 to 3 bronze service stars
5 campaigns - 1 silver service star
6 campaigns - 1 silver and 1 bronze
7 campaigns - 1 silver and 2 bronze etc

you can see that now way, no how can he possibly have FOUR service stars. This shows that at the most, he is elgible for the intitial award plus three stars. There are questions as to if he even is elgible for that amount depending on the dates when the USS Gridley was in the combat zone, and also his time in RVN on the Swifts. I'm not being picky, but I'm damn tired of seeing people like Kerry promoting themselves on their service record when in acuality they didn't earn what they say they did. Makes me question even more the other awards that are shown on his DD214. Soooo, do any of you think that Kerry might seek a new DD215 to reflect the removal of the "V" device and the service star?
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[War Dog]

I think we all need to take a look at our own conduct here on these boards. The Administrator is right. It's well past time to start instituting some rules and common decency among ourselves. We all should start policing ourselves before the Administrator is forced to do it for us.

We all should take the high road, and not the low one. Prove that you are the better person, by replying to topics and discussions without resorting to anger, cussing (to a degree), calling each other names, losing your cool with fellow posters, and to a certain degree start using a little decorum in referring to all elected officials (yes, including John F. Kerry).

All of us are supposed to be mature adults, and if we cannot openly debate and discuss the issues and topics without resorting to the above actions, then how do we ever expect to get our points across or change anyone's points of view. Let's educate each other by proving our points, providing backups of what we say, and show that we are the better people.

Those that want to come here and troll, attack, slander, insult, call names, be nasty towards others will be dealt with in time by either the Administrator or any modererators that are chosen or volunteer to police the boards. Let's work together to make this one of the best damn boards on the net.

Let's show all those that are coming here to attack us that we can keep our collective cool, and show the world that we are here to get the information out to the world concerning how we feel about John F. Kerry, and why we feel that he shouldn't be President and Commander-in-Chief by using proof, logic, common sense, decency and civil behavior between ourselves. If the majority of the Vietnam Veterans and other Veterans who are against John Kerry can pull together here, we can ensure that John F. Kerry is defeated in November.

But we will not accomplish our objective if we continue to fight each other, call each other names, etc... What about it, can we pull together? Or does this board have to lower it's standards to boards and places like the DNC, moveon.org, ** and others?

Woof
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[ASPB]

Here are some suggestions for rules of behavior in the forum. Please feel free to comment on any changes you think are appropriate. After review of comments, I'll post a revised set for review and send them to Admin as our suggestions on how to govern ourselves.

ASPB


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[nakona]

Name is Eric.

I was in FIST (f**king idiot seeking targets) as a platoon FO, during the 80's.

Sill, Benning, Riley & Mannheim
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[War Dog]

I'm sure that the administrator and moderator(s) will use common sense when policing the threads. For those of us who are military veterans, a certain amoung of language is to be expected. It's the content of that language that is the problem. It's the hate, anger and attacks on other members here that is the problem.

It's okay to be pissed, to get mad, but it's not okay to attack others by using language that you wouldn't want your daughter or son to hear or use. Of course for some of us, that would be your grandchildren!

AZ made a good point, in that we are in a fish bowl here, and alot of people are looking at us and this site. If we as concerned members want to seriously stop John F. Kerry from being elected in November, we all have to pull together, and police each other and our actions here. To keep acting and reacting as we have been will only convince others that visit here or come here to post that we are a totally pro-Bush and totally anti/we hate Kerry website, which we aren't.

Let's let the Administrator and Moderator(s) clean up the boards, and do their jobs, but let's make it easier on them by cleaning up our acts. Let the trolls and pro Kerry people visit here and make a$$es out of themselves, while we remain calm, and use common sense in our postings, and deal strictly with the issues and topics that will keep John F. Kerry out of office.

If it isn't true, and you can't prove it, don't post it. If you post it, provide links to prove what you say. If you copy something from another site, provide links and copyright information such as date, name of site/media/newspaper/etc., and name of author(s). Sites have been sued for it's members violating copyright laws.

Of course, personal opinion is always accepted, but stick with the issues and topics that benefit us, and our mission. Don't get sidetracked, don't be sucked in by the trolls. Let the Administrator and moderator(s) deal with them.

Sound okay to ya'll?

Woof!
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"When people are in trouble, they call the cops.

When cops need help, they call the K-9 unit."

[ASPB]

[War Dog]

Tom, I like your rules. I'm sure that the Administrator will take all proposed rules and suggestions and use them to formulate new rules. This will be a better place, but the main thing is to get everybody to police themselves. If they can't, then they can just go away.

Woof!
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"When people are in trouble, they call the cops.

When cops need help, they call the K-9 unit."

[ASPB]

[TRUTH108]

So I gather this is a Kerry bashing website?

[TRUTH108]