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RMalloy
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What counterattack are they refering too? If the memos were never
shown as fake why would they need to counterattack. Was it something
else they were talking about, maybe the hit from the Swiftvets? |
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azpatriot
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| RMalloy wrote: | What counterattack are they refering too? If the memos were never
shown as fake why would they need to counterattack. Was it something
else they were talking about, maybe the hit from the Swiftvets? |
I'm not sure but I would realy realy realy like to see a copy of that "raw" email message, and not just a quote of it. 
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arymann
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:27 am Post subject: |
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This is the entire article I referenced above.
| Quote: | Posted on Mon, Sep. 20, 2004
Kerry Aide Talked to Retired Guard Officer
Associated Press
NEW YORK - At the behest of CBS, an adviser to John Kerry said Monday he talked to a central figure in the controversy over President Bush's National Guard service shortly before disputed documents were released. The White House accused Kerry's campaign of fanning the controversy over Bush's military service.
Joe Lockhart denied any connection between the presidential campaign and the papers. Lockhart, the second Kerry ally to confirm contact with retired Texas National Guard officer Bill Burkett, said he made the call at the suggestion of CBS producer Mary Mapes.
"He had some advice on how to deal with the Vietnam issue and the Swift boat" allegations, Lockhart said, referring to GOP-fueled accusations that Kerry exaggerated his Vietnam War record. "He said these guys play tough and we have to put the Vietnam experience into context and have Kerry talk about it more."
The White House called the exchange evidence of coordination between the Kerry campaign and Burkett.
"The fact that CBS News and a high-level adviser to the Kerry campaign coordinated a personal attack on President Bush is a stunning and deeply troubling development," said White House communications director Dan Bartlett. He urged Kerry to hold accountable anybody involved in helping CBS obtain the documents.
Lockhart denied any involvement. "Bartlett is wrong," he said later Monday.
Earlier, Lockhart said he thanked Burkett for his advice after a three- to four-minute call, and that he does not recall talking to Burkett about Bush's Guard records. "It's baseless to say the Kerry campaign had anything to do with this," he said.
Later, Lockhart said he was sure he had not talked to Burkett about the Guard documents. Burkett did not return a phone call to The Associated Press. He told USA Today in a story for Tuesday's editions that his interest in contacting the campaign had nothing to do with the documents.
"My interest was to get the attention of the national (campaign) to defend against the attacks," Burkett told the newspaper.
CBS News apologized Monday for a "mistake in judgment" in its story questioning Bush's Guard service, claiming it was misled by the source of documents that several experts have dismissed as fakes. The network said an independent panel would look at its reporting about the memos.
CBS News spokeswoman Kelli Edwards said Mapes had declined to comment.
"This is an example of the kind of thing that the independent panel that will be named in a few days will look into. When that review is complete, we will comment," Edwards said.
Burkett admitted this weekend to CBS that he lied about obtaining the documents from another former National Guard member, the network said. CBS hasn't been able to conclusively tell how he got them, or even whether they're fakes.
Kerry ally Max Cleland, a former Georgia senator, also said he had a brief conversation last month with Burkett, who told him he had information about Bush to counter charges against Kerry's Vietnam War service. Cleland said he gave Burkett's name and phone number to the campaign's research department.
Kerry spokesman David Ginsberg said nobody in the campaign's research department followed up on Burkett's offer of information.
Lockhart said Mapes asked him the weekend before the story broke to call Burkett. "She basically said there's a guy who is being helpful on the story who wants to talk to you," Lockhart said, adding that it was common knowledge that CBS was working on a story raising questions about Bush's Guard service. Mapes told him there were some records "that might move the story forward. She didn't tell me what they said."
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/politics/9715708.htm |
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azpatriot
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Yep that’s the article but I want the email, I know I know we'll probably never actually see the real "email", but if we could it would be easier to study it. Of course after the forgery fiasco, seeing the real email would probably be a miracle!
But if we get a miracle I pray it’s a copy of the email file itself! Man O Man what we could glean from that 
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arymann
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Re Burkett's posts--ratherbiased.com has links to all of them! I viewed them last night, but it looks like you can't get to them right now. There were tons of them, and you it's easy to see how big a nut this guy is.
The site indicates they are having difficulties posting, but if you scroll down, you get to the links. (The links are where it says "here and here.") Maybe he'll have his problems worked out soon, but at least some of the info is posted here.
It is a very informative site, and I'm sure others will find it as interesting as I do.
http://www.ratherbiased.com/
Technical Difficulties
September 20, 2004 17:00:16 EDT
RatherBiased.com is currently in the process of switching web hosting providers. During this time, we will not be posting too much on this page. Check out our temporary home at Mudville Gazette.
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Burkett Calls for 'Blood,' Says He Contacted Cleland
September 19, 2004 03:12:12 EDT
RatherBiased.com has obtained every message typed by former National Guardsman Bill Burkett in the past year before Memogate on the the Yahoo Texas Democratic message groups. One of the lists is comprised of 62 messages and 43 Word pages. Fortunately, here they are easily searchable on the same HTML page and numbered.
They are contained here and here.
We provide some of the highlights from the TexasDemocrat2 group, but there are many, many more notable "red flags" that can be searched out. Rather's Memogate broke on Sep. 8.
Message # 1 (Sep 4): I believe that Bush knows that there is more coming out than Ben barnes. No
proof, just gut instinct.
Message # 12 (Aug 21): But the DNC is afraid of me, I guess, and afraid to do what I suggest....You can't wait for someone to attack you in these campaigns. You must be
prepared for someone to attack you and respond immediately and in force. That's
what's missing. Some of you call it James Carville. I call it common sense.
And let this be a message for us in Texas.
Now I know I scare some of you - and some of you just aren't up for leaving
any blood on this battlefield. But it's going to take some blood if we are
going to take this country and this state back from the Bush's Rove's Delays,
Hughes, Perrys and Parrys. If you aren't willing to scrap in this campaign -
you'll be fighting for scraps throughout the rest of history of our country.
It's that important and that simple.
Message # 5 (Aug 31): Why can't he get it?
He's missing the obvious. And when senior Democrats try to get the message
through - they are blocked by five or six layers of bureaucracy.
The team is bureaucratic, slow of foot and lethargic; they are numb to
reality.
We have to win. But winning in spite of the candidate will be a first.
Message # 9 (Aug 21): But y personal experience simply says that dealing with all campaigns, and
especially Karl Rove campaigns - you are always ready to respond with whatever
force is required. But you respond and respond immediately.
Now if that's nasty to you, so be it. But I don't like the connotation
you've tried to paint and feel it is improperly pointed.
Message # 12 (Aug 21): I spent some time on the phone with the Kerry campaign seniors yesterday
after having to threaten to whip a little ass in order to get through seven
layers
of bureaucratic kids trying to get a job after the election. I talked with
Max Clelend.
I hope he got the message, but even if he did, I'm not sure that his side of
the issue can beat out the other half of the advisors. And that's a problem. |
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azpatriot
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Thank you arymann
Yes been try ratherbiased.com and am hoping they get it all fixed soon.
My eyes must look like my PJ's  I totally missed the link in your first reply.
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| We have to all keep questioning and digging and finish this wonderful thing we started. If there is indeed ANY connection to Kerry - and I mean if he and Rather Barnes or Mapes share the same gardner, tailor, whatever, then it HAS to be exposed. Ginsberg, among others, would thank us all. |
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Dimsdale
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "He had some advice on how to deal with the Vietnam issue and the Swift boat" allegations, Lockhart said Monday, referring to GOP-fueled accusations that Kerry exaggerated his Vietnam War record. "He said these guys play tough and we have to put the Vietnam experience into context and have Kerry talk about it more." |
With regard to the Swiftboat issue, when one has to defer to the advice of a spinmeister to "put the Vietnam experience into context" rather than simply use the truth, his records, you know that Kerry is hiding something. Now if the rest of the world could realize it!
It will be interesting to watch how the MSM tries to downplay the Kerry-CBS linkage. Andrea Mitchell and Andy Rooney were doing some fast talking on Imus this morning, but a later interview with WaPo's Howard Kurtz put it all back into perspective.
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