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Wynne · Lieutenant Joined: 19 Sep 2004 Posts: 228

I've only had time today to review the first 40 minutes of the tape from watching it on FOX. So far all I have seen is kerry taking a white paper out of his jacket pocket with his left hand while his back is turned to the mod and audience, putting it on the lectern and unfolding it, out of sight of the mod and audience because the lectern hides that action from them. He picks up the pen provided, which looks to be a white Bic with a black cap, takes the cap off and uses it throughout the 40 minutes I have seen so far. No black pen yet.

Other posters have seen him use that black pen though but so far none of us have seen him remove it as Brit showed in the still -- or have we? (I'm getting a little mixed up reading all the posts here -- forgive me). Kudos to Kimberly and everyone working on this. I do not think it is a small thing -- getting to the truth is never a small thing. It is irritating that Brit chose to show a still when he could have showed the tape and stopped it at the time of the 'pen caper'. Why didn't he?

One thing I know, kerry did not remove a thin black pen from his jacket before the debate started. It was something white and looked like a paper.
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ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

dmackto,

Thanks, I'll give that a shot!

The hard part is getting it from my DVD-R to my computer because my laptop doesnt recognize the DVD-R format of my DVD Recorder when I put it in the drive.

hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

Kimberly - Some people on FR are discussing this issue. I find it interesting that people there, that were not here seeing what we have been discussing, have come to the same conclusions.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1235187/posts?page=327

hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

There is a very interesting picture here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1234146/posts?q=1&&page=1251

Is there any way to capture that picture, lighten or brighten it and maintain the animation?

kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

There are people that have both versions on about every medium you can imagine. We are in process of trying to get 1st generation video. There is also a forensic guy that is willing to work on it, so hang in there......tee hee, should I say this.....Help is on the way....LOL LOL........PUKE.

kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

[quote="Wynne"]I've only had time today to review the first 40 minutes of the tape from watching it on FOX. So far all I have seen is kerry taking a white paper out of his jacket pocket with his left hand while his back is turned to the mod and audience, putting it on the lectern and unfolding it, out of sight of the mod and audience because the lectern hides that action from them. He picks up the pen provided, which looks to be a white Bic with a black cap, takes the cap off and uses it throughout the 40 minutes I have seen so far. No black pen yet.

I just don't think you've gotten to the point in the video where Kerry reaches into his pocket for the second time and pulls out that black pen. Can you watch it a little further and see if you can see the same thing that azpatriot saw. This is key: it would explain the still shot of Kerry grabbing that pen, except it did not happen at the beginning of the debate, but later

Other posters have seen him use that black pen though but so far none of us have seen him remove it as Brit showed in the still -- or have we? (I'm getting a little mixed up reading all the posts here -- forgive me). Kudos to Kimberly and everyone working on this. I do not think it is a small thing -- getting to the truth is never a small thing. It is irritating that Brit chose to show a still when he could have showed the tape and stopped it at the time of the 'pen caper'. Why didn't he?

I think, and someone should say if I'm wrong here, alot of the confusion seems to be coming from varying 'version's and footage that may or may not be being viewed very clearly or being 'enhanced' on the internet.

One thing I know, kerry did not remove a thin black pen from his jacket before the debate started. It was something white and looked like a paper.

Thanks Wynne, (forgive the color, I do not know how to post replys to individual paragraphs without using this method;) Can anyone verify that I am 'seeing' this clearly? Thank you again Wynne!

Kimberly

kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

dmackto · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:06 am Post subject:

brought up color contrast and saturation + increased size by 50%

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eXcel · Seaman Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 174

Sorry to break the news:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12988

He still technically cheated, but there are other bigger issues we should be focusing efforts on.

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ArmybratNavywife · Ensign Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 54

I'm watching the podium watch video on cspan. At about 5:17 he picks up the white pen and starts writing with it..he puts it down right away and at 5:25 he picks up the black pen , uncaps it , and begins writing with it.

Is it possible he had a pocket protector in his pocket and when he reaches in we see a flash of white?

I hope someone can analyze the video so we can be positive about what is in both of his hands.

kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

ArmybratNavywife · Ensign Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 54

Ok..just watched the first 45 minutes.

At about 7 minutes I start seeing a glare on the black pen and then it looks white. I don't really see him switching pens so I started looking at the big picture and am thinking that the lights on Kerry were different than the lights on Bush. 1. The background is slightly different. 2. the wood podium on Bush's side is warmer looking. 3. Kerry's American Flag pin is almost always just a glare while with Bush's you can make out the red and blue. Was this to prevent Kerry from looking orange?
So I'm not convinced that he switched back to the white pen. I think he continued to use the black pen but there was such a glare on it that it looked white. That is what I see from the cspan video.

At 36:26 it looks like Kerry puts his hand in his pants pocket. He never reaches back into his coat pocket in the first 45 minutes.