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Uisguex Jack
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| Quote: | | Early returns from ABC News Executive management. |
I just heard Andrea Mitchell (hardball) declare it was unclear who one...... but most likely John Kerry!!
Now that does give me a Yuk, and I needed one! |
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LewWaters
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Admitteldy I haven't read the entire thread, but will add this anyway. Kerry saying how he would restore or fix our committment to the Kyoto Agreement, or something like that. Bush defi9ntely kicked his rear end, I think, but failed to mention that Kerry voted against the Kyoto agreement back in 1997 
| Quote: | Kyoto and Kerry
Senator Kerry is writing letters to foreign newspapers telling them he will restore the nation’s credibility in the eyes of the world by passing the Kyoto Accords. A headline in last week’s Iranian Tehran Times reads “Senator Kerry Says He Will Repair Damage If He Wins Election.”
The letter published in last week’s paper states, “The current Administration's policies of unilateralism and rejection of important international initiatives, from the Kyoto Accords to the Biological Weapons Convention, have alienated much of the world and squandered remarkable reserves of support after 9/11.”
FACT: Senator Kerry voted against implementing the Kyoto Accord. On July 25, 1997, the U.S. Senate sent then President Clinton a clear message in passing the Byrd/Hagel Resolution by a vote of 95 to 0.
At that time the presumptive democratic presidential candidate said, “It’s just common sense that if you are really going to do something to effect global climate change and you are going to do it in a fair-minded way…we need to have an agreement that does not leave enormous components of the world's contributors and future contributors of this problem out of the solution.”
The resolution expresses the sense of the Senate that the United States should not be a signatory to any treaty that "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States" or that would impose new greenhouse gas emissions reductions on the economically developed countries unless it "also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period."
And that’s exactly what European countries that signed the Kyoto Accords now face. A recent article in the Economist says, “EUROPE is not finding it easy to enter the brave green world of carbon constraints.” The article further states, “Some industry lobbies have been screaming that the economic costs of action will be ruinous. Those representing the EU power industry claim that tackling carbon could cost €2 billion ($2.4 billion) a year. The Confederation of British Industry talks of “the sacrifice of UK jobs on the altar of green credentials.” Another article in Greenwire also highlights economic trouble for Europe saying, “The companies surveyed also predicted a major increase in electricity costs as they shift to natural gas-fired power generation and away from coal-fired and nuclear power plants, PWC said.” Two-thirds of companies in the E.U. expect wholesale electricity prices to rise by up to 20 percent, and a fifth of companies expect increases of 20 to 40 percent," PWC said.” And that’s not all. The Economist article also points out, “And, for all their green bluster, most European countries are not on target to meet Kyoto commitments. The March 31st deadline has proved largely meaningless. Germany barely finished its emissions plan in time. Most other EU countries did not. Spain, France and Greece blamed this on recent elections. Britain backed off at the last minute for no obvious reason.”
Perhaps it’s Senator Kerry with the credibility problem. The junior Senator from Mass. has been for Kyoto and against Kyoto. While Europe struggles with the economic burden of Kyoto he promises to do the same to the United States. Finally, there remains this simple question: why is the Junior Senator from Mass. Senate office sending letters to Iranian papers about credibility or Kyoto in the first place? |
http://epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=220416
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dmackto
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Running Total:
Me#1You#10 is in for $100
Nutso is in for $ need amount, you can PM to me
Dmackto is in for $25
Chance is in for $10
hleone is in for $50
minnie presley is in for $20
neverforget is in for $50
Ord is in for $25
ashter is in for $50
Beatrice1000 is in for $100
ondryland is in for $25
ILOVETHEUSA is in for $25
Tacan70UDN is in for $50
Rdtf is in for $25
Kmudd is in for $10
wirebiter is in for $25
Cheyenne is in for $50
my mom is in for $10
Total $640 |
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Steve Z
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Chris Wallace asked Hillary if "the President" will be on the campaign trail, whether he would be healthy enough. Wallace was referring to Bill Clinton.
George W. Bush is healthy enough to campaign, thank you!
Kondracke: Bush didn't make his points, was on the defensive?
What debate was HE watching? A rerun of the first debate?
Fred Barnes: Bush at least tied, but was much better, which will encourage Republicans...
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wwIIvetsdaughter
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It was the Clinton Adminstration who decided not to sign the Kyoto Accords because they are simply a way for facists/communist/socialist regims to reign in the mighty capitalistic US economy and Kerry knows it!  |
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dmackto
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Ok I had the phrases "consistant" and "plan" for $1.00 each.
If I counted right Kerry cost me another $25.00 so going to add that now.
My mother was in for "france/french" and "as i've said before" but her total is only $1.00 so she's in for 10.
adding to tally
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Running Total:
Me#1You#10 is in for $100
Nutso is in for $ need amount, you can PM to me
Dmackto is in for $25
Chance is in for $10
hleone is in for $50
minnie presley is in for $20
neverforget is in for $50
Ord is in for $25
ashter is in for $50
Beatrice1000 is in for $100
ondryland is in for $25
ILOVETHEUSA is in for $25
Tacan70UDN is in for $50
Rdtf is in for $25
Kmudd is in for $10
wirebiter is in for $25
Cheyenne is in for $50
my mom is in for $10
dmackto is in for $25
Total $665 |
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JCJR
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Bush did good. Didn't know he had it in him. Best I've seen from Bush.
As stated before, I don't put much stock in fancy speechifying. We don't elect the best actor, we elect somebody hopefully with some judgement.
I think somewhere among 200 million USA residents, we could have come up with better choices than W or Kerry. But given the two options selected by the major parties, W is definitely the lesser of two evils.
Anyway, thank goodness it wasn't like the first debate! |
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Jerald L. Parsoneault
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Does anyone agree that the last question to President Bush was a complete and total sand bag job? Imagine asking the President to confess to 3 mistakes and giving Kerry a follow-up. If Gibson had been on top of it he would have directed the same question to both President Bush and Kerry. It would have been interesting to see if Kerry would have mentioned his anti-war activity.
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Hannity has Karen Hughes on. Hannity is so excited he can't sit still. |
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CTW
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| Jerald L. Parsoneault wrote: | Does anyone agree that the last question to President Bush was a complete and total sand bag job? Imagine asking the President to confess to 3 mistakes and giving Kerry a follow-up. If Gibson had been on top of it he would have directed the same question to both President Bush and Kerry. It would have been interesting to see if Kerry would have mentioned his anti-war activity.
Nalt |
Good call. That was unfair without it directed at both. Look, they are staying away from Viet Nam as much as possible. The Swiftees have to do it. CTW
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dmackto
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| Jerald L. Parsoneault wrote: | Does anyone agree that the last question to President Bush was a complete and total sand bag job? Imagine asking the President to confess to 3 mistakes and giving Kerry a follow-up. If Gibson had been on top of it he would have directed the same question to both President Bush and Kerry. It would have been interesting to see if Kerry would have mentioned his anti-war activity.
Nalt |
Amen
Personally I thought the most of the questions were soft to Kerry and aimed at trying to hit what they percieve as Bush soft spots. I'm glad though because he was able to clarify his position on each one and each time his position makes sense. |
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ord33
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dmackto,
I've gotta get a transcript to make sure how many times he said "misled". Very much to my surprise, I didnt hear a single words about Vietnam, POW/MIA, or anything.
When someone has a link to a transcript, please post the URL for it, thanks!  |
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ranch hand
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How the Washington U. audience voted.
At the end of the debate, about 2/3 of the audience surrounded Bush.
Only 1/3 went to Kerry.
The people of MO just voted with their feet.
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Endaar
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Reasonably fair questions, except for the last one.
All in all, an excellent performance from the President. It was quite satisfying to see Kerry stumble over his words a few times.
Just donated $50.
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dmackto
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Most of you weren't reading this topic before the debate so let me fill you in on the running totals.
To make having to listen to Kerry talk more bearable we were doing a little impromtu fund raiser for Swiftvets.
We were up to 555 dollars before the debate and had just over 100 more come in during the debate.
Some of us pledged $amounts based on how many times he said certain phrases so those tallies will be added in as those people check back in.
I'd love to see us break $1000 in extra swifty funds tonight, we are not that far off already. Everyone please dig deep and throw a few extra bucks on the table.
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