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Endaar Ensign
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 73 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:07 am Post subject: |
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There's something not at all right about the factcheck article. I can't see how Bush could own so little of a partnership as to earn $84. Seems more likely he owns stock in a timber company, which hardly makes him a small business owner.
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:08 am Post subject: |
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dmackto wrote: | Rdtf wrote: | factcheck.org is saying Bush does own a timber company!?!? |
I'm not seeing that. Do you have a link? |
Nope - cece? from the washington post? said it on FOX on Greta... Quoted that site - and didn't even say it was just shares of stock. |
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Debs Lieutenant
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 228 Location: Lubbock, Texas
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1AD Lt.Jg.
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 138
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Hey, there are over 400 posts. If everyone gave just $10.00 that would be well over $2,000.00. Some have given well over that. |
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Roon PO2
Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 393 Location: Lilburn, GA
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: |
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I'm an accountant. If there are less than 500,000 Sub S businesses, I believe I know at least half of them personally and I don't get around that much!
I just pulled a book off my bookshelf, VERY DATED I might add. In 1993 there were 1,905,800 Sub S Corporate returns filed with the IRS. That number has grown leaps and bounds since then. (I'm looking for the source of that to see if I can find an updated number. Maybe others have newer info than that.) Then on top of the Sub S, you have LLPs which file partnership returns but are pretty much like Sub S corps. |
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shadowy Commander
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 301 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Great debate. If Kerry memorizes a few more Republican quotes, Bush won't have to show up for the next one. |
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Paul R. PO3
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 273 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:26 am Post subject: |
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factcheck.org says Bush's argument is inflated. Possibly true, but what is not said is that ultimately, all taxes are borne primarily by the middle class, regardless of who pays 'em on surface inspection. The question is, which policies result in the best economic situation for the most people, in the long run.
This is probably not the forum for THAT discussion, however! _________________ Paul R.
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:27 am Post subject: |
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the dems have been making jokes all week about bush/cheney saying you have a 'small business' if you have a garage sell, bake sell etc....
They're probably talking about Bush clearing the wood (fallen trees) on his ranch! maybe they sell it for firewood to people in Crawford.... or to the Secret Svc people for their Crawford 'home'....
anyone who hasn't been to the topic list for awhile, needs to check it out.... drudge has a copy of an ABC memo..... s....t gonna hit the fan.... oh wait, I forgot ABC won't report it!!!! maybe c BS will as payback!
I'm gonna email Greta also.... I emailed her after he VP debate- also Brit etc.... that we weren't wasting our time on their polls as the dems were doing repeat voting etc.... Brit mentioned today that emails came in before the debate EVEN STARTED saying that Edwards won!!! _________________ Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
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ord33 Rear Admiral
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Looking at that tax return, the name of the business was "The Lone Star Trust" and their principle business or service is "Oil & Gas Production". It is on page 5 of 9 in the tax return PDF. Sure doesnt look like a "timber" company to me! I think the Kerry Campaign got this information from factcheck.org prior (the article on fact check.org was from a while ago) and Kerry was coached to use this.
Speaking of tax returns....Where are TERESA'S??? How bout disclosing their non United States property and investments!?!?!
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dmackto Rear Admiral
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 719 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:28 am Post subject: |
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shadowy wrote: | Great debate. If Kerry memorizes a few more Republican quotes, Bush won't have to show up for the next one. |
You guys crack me up. |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Flash polls, as skewed as they are, can say anything they want. I sure enjoyed seeing Kerry stammering the few times he did.
I'll wait for real polls early next week to see what really is said. Ultimately, the only poll that counts will be the one we hear about November 3, though _________________ Clark County Conservative |
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Stevie Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 1451 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Roon wrote: | I'm an accountant. If there are less than 500,000 Sub S businesses, I believe I know at least half of them personally and I don't get around that much!
I just pulled a book off my bookshelf, VERY DATED I might add. In 1993 there were 1,905,800 Sub S Corporate returns filed with the IRS. That number has grown leaps and bounds since then. (I'm looking for the source of that to see if I can find an updated number. Maybe others have newer info than that.) Then on top of the Sub S, you have LLPs which file partnership returns but are pretty much like Sub S corps. |
that must have been something kerry said.....
having worked for 11 yrs in a local city tax and business licensing dept, I can back you up.... if little old chandler, az was licensing 75 + a month (city about 100-150,000) then give me a break! 500.000! I wonder how many Phx has...... may check our corp commission..... some Bush person will come up with the right number.
That's another thing they don't include in the 'job's number' !!!! All the people who have their 'own' business and don't show up on those job lists - it started booming after Desert Storm and hasn't stopped -
just on msnbc - in 2001 bush owned some shares in a timber company and made $84 - they are saying they were 'joking' that according to Bush/Cheney that would make him a 'small business owner' ha ha
Kerry wasn't saying it as a joke..... that should go against him - he people didn't check that out! or kerry heard it somewhere and just threw it in - hope it smacks him! _________________ Stevie
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should
be arrested, exiled or hanged.
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dmackto Rear Admiral
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 719 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Running Total:
Me#1You#10 is in for $100
Nutso is in for $25
Dmackto is in for $25
Chance is in for $10
hleone is in for $50
minnie presley is in for $20
neverforget is in for $50
Ord is in for $25
ashter is in for $50
Beatrice1000 is in for $100
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Tacan70UDN is in for $50
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Kmudd is in for $10
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Cheyenne is in for $50
my mom is in for $10
dmackto is in for $25
Endaar is in for $50
Steve Z is in for $50
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Proud of my VietVet Dad! $250
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Rdtf is in for another $50 because he loves Dubya
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I'm ready to head to bed but I'll leave this open over night and tally whatever is in my PM box in the morning plus whatever new donations are posted in this thread and then post the total.
You all were awsome and it was so much more fun tonight especially while counting Kerry say "I have a plan" and wondering how I was ever going to afford it if he didnt shut up! |
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ashter Seaman
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 185
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Great Job dmackto...Goodnight and God Bless |
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arkadyfolkner PO3
Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 271
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:38 am Post subject: |
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IMO, Bush made Kerry dance to the tune of his sixguns!
Hehe Texans Should Be Proud!
Serious, a history lesson from four years, ago: Gore was touted as being much better than Bush in their first debate, but Bush came back and trounced him in the other two.
My theory is this: Bush may play the bumpkin in the first debate, but what he is doing is analyzing his opponant's style of debating. It's just like in any war, you get a good analysis of the enemy and then use that intel to blow him away. |
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