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This is what we have to fear if Kerry is elected.

 
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Poposwife_Retiredarmywife
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: This is what we have to fear if Kerry is elected. Reply with quote

I was reading all of the posts on how the "Kerry Kamp Klan" is spraying swastikas on lawns
Link here http://www.channel3000.com/politics/3776992/detail.html
tearing apart signs, vandalizing cars, harrassing law abiding people, abusing soldiers on home from leave with physical injuries....the list goes on.

It struck me....we have much more to fear than Kerry's treason and betrayal. I'm a little bit of a bookworm, and tend to dig very deep into "Hows" and "Whys". As the most liberal of all democrats, wanting the government to "provide", Kerry and his ilk pose a much deeper threat than I realized.

Now, I'm not speaking of traditional democrats. I don't really consider Kerry a true democrat. Here is a small example.
Link here http://www.fresno.k12.ca.us/schools/s090/history/democratic_ideals.htm

A true democrat looks to ALL people to aid in the government of themselves. Kerry's "followers" look only to themselves. Therefore they are a Bigoted group.

bigoted

\Big"ot*ed\, a. Obstinately and blindly attached to some creed, opinion practice, or ritual; unreasonably devoted to a system or party, and illiberal toward the opinions of others. ``Bigoted to strife.'' --Byron.

Syn: Prejudiced; intolerant; narrow-minded.


Why did Rome fall? The most famous of all Democratic places? Let us take a small look.
Link here: http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/wc1/lectures/14romefell.html


The above link shows the governmental problems.
This quote from Durant, shows how it decays.

"To support this bureaucracy as well as the “dole” (the traditional name for
a system that took money from some citizens to give to others), taxation
rose to unprecedented levels. Since most taxpayers sought to evade
taxes, the state organized a special force of revenue police to examine
every man’s property and income and exact sever penalties for evasion.
Durant makes the point that this was not because citizens were evil; it was

Will Durant and Daniel Lapin, page 1

because a government that had lost its moral soul had become the enemy.

In a chapter entitled “Why Rome Fell,” Durant writes that a great civilization
is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.
Excessive regulation, excessive government size and intrusion, and
excessive and abusive taxation policies were only the tip of the iceberg.
The essential causes of Rome’s decline lay in her people, her morals, her
bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, and fall in population. Sexual
excesses may have reduced human fertility. Contraception, abortion, and
infanticide had a dysgenic as well as a numerical effect. The dole
weakened the poor and luxury weakened the rich. Immigration brought
together a hundred cultures who differences rubbed themselves out into
indifference. Moral and aesthetic standards were lowered by the
magnetism of the mass, and sexual “freedom” ran riot while political liberty
decayed. Government no longer attracted first-rate men.

As we have seen, it is impossible for a culture to equally emphasize two
different philosophic approaches. One has to decide which approach is
more important; great consequences will attend that decision. For
instance, we either believe it more important that children learn to honor,
respect, and serve adults, or we believe the reverse. It is hardly an
accident that during the final years of the old Roman Empire, [they]
emphasize[d] what adult society must do “for the children.”

Will Durant and Daniel Lapin, page 2"


To summarize all of this....

Legalizing drugs, prostitution, the breakdown of the marital structure. Welfare making it easier and easier for people to take a free ride. Women leaving their roles as nurturing parents and undercutting the male providor aspect leading to unbalanced homes, and therefore unbalanced children. Discipline being taken as abuse. The government in our homes telling us how to raise our children, and the intolerance of neighbors if you do not "agree" with them. Our children able to "divorce" their parents, have their own children at 12-13-14 with no idea how to care for them....I could go on for hours.

All of these things, looking at them closely, supported by the "tolerant liberals"

Ladies and gentlemen, a disturbing article Titled "Why democracy Doesn't Work" at
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/Articles/WhyDemocracyDoesntWork.htm
It made me sit back in my chair, and feel like I was going to be physically ill.


As it describes in all of these places, the country was split. As ours is now. The morals and depreciation of values in family and spirit, as it is now. Dependancy on government funds to "take care" of things, again...as it is now.

We are teetering on the edge of a cliff, ready to fall. If the likes of Kerry gain the whitehouse, I truly think our country will continue its slide and fall directly into anarchy or a military state. One or the other.

The ideal of democracy is a beautiful thing, but we are no longer governing ourselves. We are being governed, in the worst possible way. We should never be placed in a position where we have to fight for our right to have a decent and upstanding president to represent us to the world. It should come naturally.

This is a revelation to me, and it minds me of a post a read I think on these boards. That there is a sort of revolution happening, right now. Among us who swim the net. (I say swim, because surfing is on the surface. We really do dive in and SWIM the internet)

I just hope its enough.

Lorelei

(Edited to fix links)

Thanks Jim


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that we are now in a revolution. Many, many people have been duped into thinking that Kerry is a saint and Bush a devil. The Iraq war should have be presented as a credit for the current administration, but the media have turned it around because it's taking longer than we expected while ignoring the tremendous victories this administration has had:

Libya allowing inspection of weapons and removal of WMDs,
Afghanistan freed with new democratic government,
Syria more friendly about possible inspections for WMDs,
Demise of the Taliban who harbored terrorists,
Improvement of relationship with Pakistan and between Pakistan and India,
North Korea finally agreeing to 6-way talks, and
Maintenance of our good relationship with other world powers, even those who don't support our war against terrorism.

This is very much an information revolution with most of the main stream media trying to block access to the truth, and the internet bloggers trying to learn the truth for themselves. Truth is Freedom, the absence of truth Enslavement.

(Note: thanks for the history lesson, but you need to remove the ")" at the end of the links so they will work.)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:29 pm    Post subject: Liberalism is ... Reply with quote

Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.
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Tacan70UDN
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've posted elsewhere, this election is the most important in my 60 years. The result will determine the direction this country takes. The choices: downward into failed socialistic policies and huge government telling us what to do; or, upward to the basic principles our founding fathers established over 200 years ago. As far as I can see, there is no real choice; we need to get back to what this country is all about. Sink Kerry Swiftly!
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shadowy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently heard someone read that article on the radio. The progression/regression that occurs over the average 200 year life of a great nation:
Bondage
Spiritual Faith
Courage
Liberty
Abundance
Complacency
Apathy
Dependence
Bondage

The author thinks we are somewhere between the Complacency and Apathy stages. I think there's already considerable dependence as well. But there were a few things I noticed about this. First, an individual can be at any stage, regardless of where the society as a whole is. It's worth thinking about whether you are personally progressing, stagnating or regressing. Second, very large groups can be at any or every stage, even when the society overall is at a different stage. Third, at any point, a significant increase in spiritual faith in an individual, or in the society as a whole can reverse the decline and begin a new progression toward abundance. I don't think anything else can do it. You can't have an increase in courage without faith, or an increase in liberty without courage. Leftists like to think they can increase abundance while restricting the liberty of those who don't agree with them, but if they manage to restrain capitalism and dismiss conservatism, it will be because we already have too much complacency and are on the declining side of abundance.
We'll soon see whether the Afghans and the Iraqis have the faith and courage to take hold of liberty and keep it. If they do, they'll prosper. It's instructive to see what one man, or a small group of like-minded men, can do to advance liberty for many, if they have faith and courage.
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