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grumpyBB Lt.Jg.
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drjohn Senior Chief Petty Officer
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:48 am Post subject: |
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msindependent wrote: | Snow thinks it happened on the UN's watch alright. |
This is what I wrote here yesterday.
The material was not checked after 25 JAN 2003, no matter what you hear. It's not in the UN records. Not at all.
I went through ALL of them.
Not only that, Al Baradei didn't know exactly what was there at any given time.
Now- the question is how long are the dim's going to continue to regurgitate the lie? |
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Tacan70UDN PO2
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:50 am Post subject: |
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I hear the good ship "Kedwards" going down!
GLUG . . . GLUG . . . GLUG |
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drjohn Senior Chief Petty Officer
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:51 am Post subject: |
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No WONDER the Democrats wanted people to vote early- so they'd vote before the truth surfaced! |
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JimRobson Lieutenant
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Jacksonville FL
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Not only Kerry Edwards, but also NYT & CBS
HooYa!!!
Washington Times server is hosed. _________________ ETN2 PTF2 (Littlecreek Underwater Demolition Unit 2 1963)
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Kimmymac Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 816 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Don't celebrate yet, we still have 5+ days and they are all dirty as he11.
Opearation Boomarangadangadinglingdingdong <insert victory butt dance here> _________________ The last refuge of scoundrels is not patriotism; it is finicky liberal humanitarianism.--Martin Paretz |
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:57 am Post subject: |
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SangRun Hunter wrote: |
Remember back in the war when that Russian diplomatic convoy of vehicles got shot up by some of our special forces.
John Loftus talked about this back in 2003 and supposedly some Russian security personnel lost their lives in that. The story came out in the MSM briefly, but then faded away.
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let's try to find something on that.. |
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GeorgiaBoy Seaman Apprentice
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: |
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That is one comprehensive and powerful article. It clears Bush of WeaponGate and proves that Kerry's band of merry allies were in fact NOT. No wonder W went without them... He had to.
God Bless our President and God Bless the United States of America. |
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chemical_boy Lt.Jg.
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GeorgiaBoy Seaman Apprentice
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:02 am Post subject: |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041027-101153-4822r.htm
Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
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"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."
Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloguing the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.
The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.
The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.
The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.
Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.
"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."
The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.
A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.
According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.
It is not known if the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.
A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.
The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not convince Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.
A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.
However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.
The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.
Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.
The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.
Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.
The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.
Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.
"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.
Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.
The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.
Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.
The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.
Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.
The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.
Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. |
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azpatriot Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 593 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Kerry is _________________ Proud to be an American! and member of the PAJAMAHADEEN
FedEx Kinko's: When it absolutely, positively has to be forged overnight |
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SangRun Hunter PO1
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 462 Location: Zinzinnati
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:07 am Post subject: |
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I just sent this to a relative that is a Bush supporter.
THE OCTOBER SURPRISE!!!!!!!!
I do believe that Karl Rove has pulled the strings and his puppet is dancing! That puppet would be John F' you Kerry!
I bet that the missing weapons story was pushed out by operatives of Rove's to get it out and have Kerry impale himself on it then the next day we find out the UN with the Russians help has moved dangerous explosives to Syria before the war! Before the war by our allies! Oh, the weapons were there?
I cannot wait to see what else is going to come of this story in the next 2 days.
Kerry looks like and idiot and now BOR is dishing on Kerry.
This all makes Kerry look like an idiot! Undecides will hear about this and sway for Bush. The MSM cannot deny this story because it involves our allies and it's too important. If Rove has even better stuff and proof coming out it will get critical mass and Bush can start hammering as he did today. _________________ Mad as Hell! |
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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great job! I am copying the text here in case it disappears
Russian convoy fired on in Iraq
Witness: Convoy caught in U.S.-Iraqi crossfire
Monday, April 7, 2003 Posted: 0123 GMT ( 9:23 AM HKT)
FALLUJAH, Iraq (CNN) -- A convoy of vehicles carrying Russian diplomats and journalists came under fire Sunday as it headed out of Baghdad, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.
There were conflicting reports about how many people were hurt, who was responsible, and whether the convoy was attacked or accidentally caught in crossfire between Iraqi and coalition troops.
U.S. Central Command said the convoy was attacked in territory controlled by the Iraqi government, and that no coalition forces were operating in the area at the time of the incident.
U.S. Army officials with the 3-7th Cavalry said coalition soldiers did not fire on the convoy and that the shooters were probably from Saddam Fedayeen, fighters loyal to Saddam Hussein.
A journalist traveling in the convoy, however, reported they were caught in crossfire.
Alexander Minakov, who works with Rossiya TV (formerly RTR), said in a telephone report that he was in one of eight cars that set off from Baghdad at 11:30 a.m. (3:30 a.m. ET), bound for the Syrian border. The vehicles carried 25 Russian diplomats, including Russia's ambassador to Iraq, and journalists who were trying to flee the country.
The journalists included a three-man crew from Rossiya, a crew from First Channel (ORT), and a crew from TVS.
Around noon, about 30 km outside the capital, as the convoy passed a group of Iraqi tanks and artillery, U.S. forces opened fire, Minakov said.
An Iraqi tank about 150 meters from the convoy was hit, and shells exploded near the convoy. The journalists heard automatic fire, he said.
The Iraqis then responded with their own fire, and the Russian convoy was caught in the middle, Minakov said.
A bullet pierced the window of Ambassador Vladimir Titorenko's car, passing between him and the driver, he said. Three people were wounded -- one with a "pretty serious" stomach wound, Minakov said.
But the Russian Foreign Ministry said there were five injuries, all of them minor, including Titorenko's, a spokesman said.
In a statement, U.S. Central Command said initial reports revealed no coalition forces operating in the area at the time.
"Based on the reported location, the incident is believed to have taken place in territory controlled by the Iraqi regime," Central Command said. "The inquiry into this incident continues and more details will be made available as soon as possible."
A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Moscow told CNN that U.S. officials were "in close contact" with the Russian government but had not determined who was responsible for the shooting.
The United States was trying to establish direct contact between the Russian convoy and the U.S. military on the ground to provide help, the spokesman said.
According to Minakov, after the shooting the convoy proceeded to the town of Fallujah, 40 km west of Baghdad. There, doctors attended to two people who had head and neck injuries and operated on the person with the stomach wound, Minakov said.
The Russian diplomatic personnel remained in the town, while the journalists continued to the Jordanian border, he said.
The Russian Foreign Ministry said it was preparing to send a plane carrying doctors and medical equipment to Syria to evacuate those remaining.
CNN's Moscow Bureau Chief Jill Dougherty and CNN Correspondents Walter Rodgers and Sheila MacVicar contributed to this report.
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was written in accordance with Pentagon ground rules allowing so-called embedded reporting in which journalists join deployed troops. Among the rules accepted by all participating news organizations is an agreement not to disclose sensitive operational details. |
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SangRun Hunter PO1
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 462 Location: Zinzinnati
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:13 am Post subject: |
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See, I was right on that Rdtf.
I'm not being nasty, but I knew when I saw that story it would come back into play one day. _________________ Mad as Hell! |
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rparrott21 Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 760 Location: Mckinney, Texas
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Now Kerry would you please stop slamming the 101st airborne...You troop supporting fraud... |
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