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[Tom Poole]

[kate]

to help clarify....

[Tom Poole]

Thanks Kate. That's good enough for me but probably not good enough for the BMs (bluestate moonbats). I'm satisfied all the President's records have been released, and if so, a simple empty gesture would seem very easy, unless his medical records contain something too personal and not germane. If the latter, stating it publicly would release a torrent of BM accusations, parsing, picking, snicking and whining. It may be a very tough situation for the President.
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[Jonmart]

Didn't a federal judge also put out a court order mandating the release of Bush's records? Sounds like a good thing for a conservative judge to do for Kerry's records.

[The Night Owl]

[Uisguex Jack]

Hey you know what you're right. Further I was wrong I've been looking for
evidence that Bush signed the form 180 and could not find it. However looking at Kate’s usual top end research I think Bushes actions and words were more then enough.... and certainly equivalent to a 'executive order'

[The Night Owl]

[kate]

[Harvuskong]

I suggest that after complete and total exhaustive reasearch on this subject about records release, a special post or sticky be created with all the straight info on this subject and stuck til time ends near the top of this Forum's front page.

[coldwarvet]

[RiflemanDD730]

Research needs to continue on Kerry’s record to establish the truth. Contrary to common belief among SBVT supporters Bush’s election was not a vindication of the SBVT position. To a large portion of the nation, if not a majority, the Swifties are liars that got lucky. To them, the SBVT lies helped get Bush elected.

Consider that Bush himself said that Kerry served honorably. To the MSM and the general public the SBVT claims have not been proven. No one of the “band of brothers” has recanted. Two popular heroes, John McCain and Bob Kerrey have criticized the SBVT and have not changed their positions after all the facts the SBVT have produced, so why should the MSM or the general public? The Navy Inspector General has stated that Kerry’s medals were approved properly. John Warner, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has stated he felt Kerry’s Silver Star was appropriate. To the average citizen there are two competing stories and John Kerry generally gets the benefit of the doubt. In his concession speech John Kerry thanked the BOB for telling the truth. He was praised by all sides for this speech and was challenged by no one in the media for this statement.

George Bush, John McCain, Bob Kerrey, John Warner and the Navy Inspector General are all on record supporting Kerry. No one has changed his story. The MSM has not said that the SBVT were vindicated.

Note the comments on this thread. Many of them are about Bush and his release of records instead of Kerry and his records.

Wake up Swifties and SBVT supporters. You’ve been branded as liars that got lucky and that label is sticking. Kerry is considered a viable future candidate for president in 2008. If the SBVT position was validated this could not happen.

We need to continue research to establish the truth and get it accepted in the MSM and general public.

[Me#1You#10]

[rhv5862]

Kerry will never sign SF 180. He knows what has not been released will end any election chances. I think he will try and run again in 08. He will run for re-election in Mass and more than likly get re-elected unless there is a real strong Repub running against him. Mass is a hard core liberal Dem State even though we have elected three Repub Govs.
During last State Elections 99% of Repubs who ran against Dems lost.
I sure hope I am wrong and he does lose re-election bid.

RHV

[RiflemanDD730]

Me#1You#10

Your point that Kerry’s potential for political success was severely damaged by the SBVT is well taken. However, my point is that the job should be over just because Kerry was not elected. I know that was the original objective of the SBVT, but because they have been successfully labeled as liars I think they should consider that the job is not over until they prove their position. Bush’s election did not validate the SBVT’s position. They are liars to many if not most in the general public and certainly most in the MSM.

After all why shouldn’t the general public believe Kerry and his BOB. They’re backed up by George Bush (President), John McCain (War hero – POW - Senator), Bob Kerrey (War hero – MOH winner - Senator), John Warner (War veteran –Secretary, Navy – Senator), and the US Navy itself (Inspector General’s report validating Kerry’s medals).

I believe the general public feels that the SBVT made many claims but did not prove all of them. To them they sound like just another politically motivated group when a distinguished group of people like Bush, McCain, Kerrey, Warner and the US Navy back up John Kerry.

If the SBVT were really for truth they would stick with the task until they prove their point. Kerry’s loss did not do it. He ran a lousy campaign and still almost won. The SBVT had an effect but so did the campaign about Bush’s TANG service.

Frankly, I’m surprised that the SBVT seem so casual about being successfully branded as liars.

I’m going to continue filing FOIA requests and writing letters to my representatives and others to get at the truth. I think the SBVT should have an organized effort to do the same.

[I B Squidly]

My friend emails a photo of himself with W from west Mass. and thanks the Swifty's for the national election. As for the state Senatorial campaign he admits no chance. Boston so outweighs the balance of the state, and they're such rug chewers: voting for Jack and getting Teddy, carriing McGovern and Dukakis that there's little hope.

Nothing so far revealed in the national media serves to undo sKerry's lockhold. He's a martyr to the 'right wing' media and 3 toothed Red Staters. They still haven't registered that Kerry is a slovak Jew and not an Irish Catholic. Go figure.