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tony54
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Its amazing that the US Government can track a single cow from a cattle ranch in Canada, to which stake is at your grocers meat counter!
Because it was suspected of having a desease.
But that same US Government can't find 11 million illigal immigrants?
Whose side do you think they are on?
The Government won't shut down the borders or prosecute the illegals:
But you just wait till there is a confrontation and an illigal gets hurt or killed, your government will come down on you like a ton of bricks, and will not rest till someone gets convicted of something, Murder, Hate Crime, whatever, they definetely will.
AND ALL COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF THEY SHUT THE BORDER DOWN, AND TRACKED THE FEW ILLIGALS THAT SLIP THROUGH LIKE THEY TRACK THE CANADIAN COWS. |
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| tony54 wrote: | Its amazing that the US Government can track a single cow from a cattle ranch in Canada, to which stake is at your grocers meat counter!
Because it was suspected of having a desease.
But that same US Government can't find 11 million illigal immigrants?
Whose side do you think they are on?
The Government won't shut down the borders or prosecute the illegals:
But you just wait till there is a confrontation and an illigal gets hurt or killed, your government will come down on you like a ton of bricks, and will not rest till someone gets convicted of something, Murder, Hate Crime, whatever, they definetely will.
AND ALL COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF THEY SHUT THE BORDER DOWN, AND TRACKED THE FEW ILLIGALS THAT SLIP THROUGH LIKE THEY TRACK THE CANADIAN COWS. |
Well, that would entail injecting a microchip in all the folks south of the border, as well as putting a large plastic ear tag on each of them as well. 
Hmmmm. Now that I think about it, it's not such a bad idea... 
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tony54
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If a certain problem involves National Security risks then the Commander In Chief is obligated to stop it.
The US Marines are a Core and answer directly to the President of the United States, and they with all their resources are at his disposal.
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Doc Farmer
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Snipe
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Inject a microchip? Hmmmmm. I'll betcha that you could load some
of those puppies in a load of birdshot.
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Doc Farmer
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| Snipe wrote: | Inject a microchip? Hmmmmm. I'll betcha that you could load some
of those puppies in a load of birdshot.
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I think that chip's supposed to go in the neck. I'd hate to be the guy in the Border Patrol who had to run the scanner over all those heinies...
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Tom Poole
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| tony54 wrote: | | ...US Government can track a single cow from a cattle ranch in Canada...But...can't find 11 million illigal immigrants?... |
Great analogy. The answer is yes and no. We'll never find all of them because of the vast numbers and US geography. On the other hand, we could easily find most of them. Just have all law enforcement available descend on McDonalds, Burger King, new construction sites and lawn services. Then for the remaining 10%... 
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kate
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Firsthand limited report of some activities on the third day of the Minuteman Project by freeper Spiff ( with pics)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1376856/posts
apparently there are some calling themselves ‘legal observers’, affiliated with the ACLU, who are monitoring the Minutemen
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From the closest newspaper at Douglas:
http://www.dailybulletin.com/Stories/0,1413,203~21481~2796121,00.html
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Minutemen head out for border detail
Vocal opposition monitors their moves
By Sara A. Carter
Staff Writer
The wind subsided Saturday forcing the Arizona desert to live up to its name. Tumbleweeds stood still, stuck in crevasses off Highway 92. Up the highway were rows of cars, trucks and vans filled with Minuteman project volunteers heading to the Palomares Trading Post, a small diner where they picked up coffee and waited for instructions from organizers.
Young and old volunteers from around the country stood in the graveled parking lot taking instruction from Chris Simcox, a co-founder of the project, who passed out maps of the Arizona/Mexico border detailing where each pack was going to patrol.
The small diner on the long deserted highway was glad for the business, and most of the volunteers didn't mind spending a little extra on supplies in these American towns influenced by Mexican culture.
"These aren't the same people we used to see crossing 20 years ago," said retired Los Angeles Police Department Sgt. Richard Valdemar, who worked 33 years in the LAPD gang unit. Valdemar said he understands the plight of poor migrant people better than anyone because his grandparents came from Mexico to the United States under similar circumstances.
"Now these open borders bring drug smugglers, foreign gangs, terrorists and coyotes who take advantage of the illegals, putting them in grave danger," he said. "That's why I'm here."
Valdemar is one of the nearly 450 volunteers who arrived Friday to begin patrolling for the monthlong project. Other volunteers arrived Saturday to join the group, but no complete registration count was available that afternoon.
The Minuteman project, the brainchild of Jim Gilchrist, came to life last fall when he sent e-mails out across the country asking for volunteers to help support the understaffed Border Patrol agents along the U.S.-Mexico border. It snowballed, he said.
"Americans are fed up with our government's lack of protection at the border," Gilchrist said. "We're here to support the agents."
But Border Patrol agents weren't happy with the hoards of volunteers who, they said, are making an already dangerous situation worse. In the Naco area of the Tucson sector this past year, 118 border agents were assaulted, said Border Agent Jose Maheda, spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Patrol.
"These Minutemen are causing a disruption in our normal operating procedures," said Maheda over the growing chants of the Minuteman supporters, shouting "Viva La Migra!" "Now we have to worry about running into civilians in the dark night out there in the desert, armed civilians without training. We do not encourage this type of participation."
This year the numbers of assaults are growing and the current number of attacks on agents is 129, Maheda said. Of the 1.1 million unauthorized immigrants apprehended last year by the Border Patrol nationwide, nearly one-fifth were from Cochise County, where the volunteers are patrolling.
Fear of assault didn't seem to bother the volunteers who awoke as early as 6 a.m. from their home base at the rundown Miracle Valley Bible College. They waited patiently in long lines for a chance to bathe in the makeshift showers, which were limited. And then, after passing their own armed guards at the gate of the college, they headed out onto Highway 92, only a few miles from the border.
Volunteers broke off into two main groups - some joined foot patrols in groups of four heading for the rugged hills along the border, and others stuck with the planned Minuteman rallies in the cities of Naco and Douglas, in Cochise County, a main crossing point for illegal immigrants and home to two large Border Patrol stations.
Extra state police were on hand in both cities and scattered up and down the highways. Their presence was visible at the rallying stops where hundreds of Minuteman supporters lined the roads.
But the group's detractors were also out in full force.
American Civil Liberties Union volunteers, in alliance with the Legal Observer project out of Pasadena, stood guard watching, writing and filming the Minutemen at the rallies and near the border. Armando Navarro, a UC Riverside professor and director of the National Alliance for Human Right's, a Latino activist organization, made his way to the Douglas rally before Gilchrist's group arrived.
"The biggest concern we have is clearly with the patrols," said Caroline Isaacs, director of the Legal Observers, at the rally on Kings Road, in Douglas. "We are here to observe that the immigrants' rights are being protected."
Among the group's critics was Ray Borane, mayor of Douglas, Ariz. Borane is skeptical, to say the least.
"First of all, I don't know how effective they can be when they're trying to impress the government, and the president has already called them vigilantes," Borane said. "They're so disorganized, it's unbelievable."
Borane is also concerned about what he said are group member's lack of knowledge and sensitivity to people south of the border.
He said Minutemen do not speak Spanish and don't seem to know much about Mexican culture.
The border town of Agua Prieta, with a population of approximately 135,000 people, is the main fuel for Douglas economic engine, Borane said. Douglas exists only because Agua Prieta residents shop there, he explained.
Borane also said he is concerned the Minutemen's presence could portray Douglas negatively to Agua Prieta residents.
Despite their disruptive presence in the area, the Minutemen seem resolute.
Valdemar, for one, went to Hunter's Canyon just south of the bible college, a known area for illegal crossings. And he said that groups like the ACLU completely misunderstand the intention of the project and should stop criticizing law-abiding citizens.
The tall brush and rocky hillsides held their own dangers in Hunter's Canyon. Police officials announced that rattlesnakes are a hazard, said Gilchrist, who added that the group had its first injury on Friday when a volunteer broke an ankle patrolling the rocky hillside and had to be airlifted to a hospital.
Scraping past sharp dried branches of a canyon tree, Valdemar made it to a wide road.
The road was once a small trail made by animals, Valdemar said. But now it's wide enough for a large SUV. It was only one area of more than a dozen patrol zones in the 23-mile sector that the Minutemen were operating.
"Coyotes and drug smugglers have created numerous roads in this canyon," he said. "The terrain is like a matrix of roads made by years of illegal crossings."
Even 78-year-old Cordelia Snow, of Murietta, seemed years younger when she excitedly hurried to Simcox to retrieve her map. She prepared herself with sunscreen, a big straw hat, and some bottles of water. She didn't carry a gun, but many of the volunteers standing with her did.
"Oh yes, I'm very excited about being a part of the project," Snow said. "I'm here for my country."
The patrol sectors were kept secret by Simcox until Saturday morning for the protection of the civilian patrols, Gilchrist said. Project organizers received hundreds of threatening e-mails, but none of those threats came to fruition Saturday.
Gilchrist stuck with his supporters throughout the day, driving from Hunter's Canyon to both of the rallies more than an hour away from each other.
And Gilchrist's supporters cheered everywhere he went.
One supporter, a man by the name of Luca, who gave no last name, said that he waited seven years for his citizenship and that he agrees with extra border security. The current Apple Valley resident said he wants the borders tightened to stop terrorists from having easy access into the country.
"I love immigration," said Luca, in a thick Italian accent. "I'm an immigrant. But people have to follow the rules."
As for Bush calling the group "vigilantes" more than a week ago - they say their fine with the label and called on the president to keep his word and tighten up the borders so they can go back home.
But police, border agents, and civil liberties groups aren't going to let the volunteers off the hook that easily. They are mindful that a dangerous situation may erupt in these tense times and said they plan to watch them for the next 30 days.
"We're not going away from here," Issacs said. "Let's hope they keep their word and nothing terrible happens."Staff writer Jannise Johnson contributed to this report.
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: |
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“Minute Men for Immigration Control Make Us Proud,” by Donald A. Collins, The Washington Dispatch – 4/5/05
"Hey, what do you know!? Those nasty Minute Men, described by President Bush as “vigilantes”, have done what all us pundits haven’t done to date and maybe could never have done, namely made the Federal Government do something about border security...." CONTINUED |
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Here’s the illegal’s (per AP, “immigrant”) complaint:
| Quote: | “Immigrant Says Minuteman Volunteers Detained Him,” AP, 4/7/05
TUCSON, Ariz. — Authorities determined Thursday three volunteers involved in a civilian project to watch the border and report illegal crossers had an illegal immigrant pose for a flippant photograph but did not hold him against his will. The Mexican man had told sheriff's deputies he was detained and forced to pose for a picture holding a T-shirt with a mocking slogan. …*CONTINUED* |
Here’s the Minuteman’s Press Release on the subject:
| Quote: | The Minuteman Project News release, April 7, 2004
"Minuteman dismissed over bowl of cereal
Cleared of wrongdoing, but violated procedures"
April 7, 2005 (Tombstone AZ)---A Minuteman Project (MMP) volunteer has been dismissed from further participating in the project after he shared a bowl of cereal with a suspected illegal alien he encountered along the Arizona-Mexico border. A project organizer said the volunteer had violated established MMP policy. …*CONTINUED* |
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Beatrice1000
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| Quote: | “In Defense of the Minuteman Project,” by Geoff Metcalf, MenNewsDaily – 4/10/05
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Much of the media coverage and virtually all of the 'government' comment on the Minuteman Project www.minutemanproject.com has been negative. Despite measurable success, the Main Stream Media and bureaucrats of all stripes continue to denigrate what is proving to be a good thing. A good thing however that personifies those who don’t want to be confused with facts that contradict a preconceived opinion or prejudice. Detractors say the MMP is successful only for the 24-mile stretch of border. Those not crossing where they had been are just moving east to more porous routes. The controversy surrounding the Minuteman Project is a poorly crafted red herring.
The simple, empirical reality is the Minuteman Project has been hugely successful. Illegal border crossings along the stretch of Arizona/Mexico border have virtually been stopped.
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It is interesting that local ranchers and victims of local and federal government malfeasance overwhelmingly support and appreciate the results of the Minuteman Project. It is equally interesting that 'officials' (who have been derelict and incompetent) not only resent these citizen border watchers, but have targeted THEM with petty harassment. Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano wrote them a letter saying they are on her 'blacklist' and state cops are targeting out-of-state plates with minor infraction tickets. Hopefully local ranchers will reward the Governor my voting her out of office.
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A rancher’s wife who lives on 800 acres of border property (the family has been there since the 1880s) requested that Minutemen be stationed nearby. She used to hear gunshots every night. Since the Minutemen arrived, she claims the gunshots have stopped. Prior to the MMP her husband would report information the border patrol wouldn’t believe. When her husband reported counting over 200 illegals in a group, he was told that wasn’t possible. Who are you going to believe your eyes or an official chairborne bureaucrat?
The locals love the volunteers. The officials hate them.
Whereas the Oakland Tribune calls the MMP “Arizona hunters”…each team has been encouraged to fly their state flag. As a result, a volunteer reports, “a New York flag was flying from the team to our west and a Florida flag flying from the team to our east. Our team flew an American and a Californian flag combo.”
Border patrol supervisors drive around spinning the ‘official’ line: MMP bad/Government agents good. However, when the supervisors return to air-conditioned offices, the rank and file border patrol say they are delighted the volunteers are there. <………> |
| Quote: | **UPDATE**
Title: Minuteman Project: Day Ten
Source: JackelopeBreeder
Published: Apr 11, 2005
Nine days of blockade has begun to result in desperation.
We believe 500-700 illegals and their coyotes are bottled up in the Huachuca Mountains at present. They are running out of food and water. We have also figured out the system used here for putting out food and water caches and have been routinely using them to add some variety to our dogs’ diets. Our canine companions are most appreciative.
A recap of last night’s action: several Minuteman were almost run down by a fleeing load vehicle last night. Fellow LePer idratherbepainting is now on the injured reserve list after a bad fall into a dry wash at the same location. Another Minuteman is “under investigation” for making physical contact after saving an illegal from a bad fall.
This morning began with round up of the illegals who missed their ride in the fleeing vehicle the night before. Two had become thoroughly lost and confused and walked up to one of the MMP teams asking for directions. When the realized who they had approached, they took off running and practically jumped into a Border Patrol vehicle.
The daylight hours were uneventful other than a prolonged visit by CNN’s Lou Dobbs. He spent most of his time out on the Naco Line along the border fence. Those of us in the canyons got a visit from those fine folks from the ACLU. ...CONTINUED |
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Beatrice1000
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Here’s some blunt truth well-stated:
| Quote: | GUEST COMMENTARY
'Minuteman' Newsbeat Shuns The Word "Illegal," by Daneen G. Peterson, Ph.D., MichNews.com, 4/11/05
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In their reporting on the Minuteman Project, the following nationwide newspaper headlines exhibit a remarkable commonality. What do they all have in common? Not ONE of the headlines, had the 'guts' to print the words 'illegal aliens' or use the adjective 'illegal' in conjunction with their nouns! It is a national disgrace that 99% of the media have deliberately obscured the illegal alien issue by applying the tactic of omission. Why does the media routinely and systematically apply euphemistic nouns such as 'immigrant' or 'migrant,' or 'border crossers,' and then deliberately omit their status of illegality? For what purpose or rationale does the media subvert by omission, their coverage of the invasion of our country by a 'human tsunami' of illegal aliens? Just how cleaver and underhanded are the media in their subterfuge . . . let me count the ways:
1. 1,000 activists to patrol Arizona border for migrants
2. Volunteer patrols stir uneasiness on border: Minuteman Project could draw 1,000 for migrant watch
3. 'Minutemen' wage immigration battle at border
4. IMMIGRATION: More than 20 area activists plan to watch border crossers. Fears of violence arise
5. Wanted : Border Hoppers. And Some excitement, Too.
6. Hispanic legislators to monitor monitors: Lawmakers will keep tabs on border project
7. Tombstone at the eye of Minuteman storm
8. Border watch group, human right activists arrive for month long patrol
9. US vigilantes begin border stake-out
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What all those euphemistic terms are missing, is the pertinent, descriptive adjective "illegal" as in "illegal immigration opponents" or "illegal migrants" or "illegal border hoppers/crossers!" The wide-spread pervasive use of such euphemisms are deliberate! They are subversive because they cover up a person’s illegal status. The solution, why not use the official term of "illegal alien" as set forth in the United States Code of immigration law!
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Notice anything else? Not ONE headline calls the Minutemen "patriots!" These are volunteers who gave up their vacations and left the comfort of 'hearth and home' to participate in a protest in the desert beneath an unrelenting sun, exposed to wind blown sand, oppressive heat and camping out . . . sans swimming pool. They may live thousands of miles away and yet they feel compelled to come. <…>
As it stands today, the American public is being shamelessly 'brainwashed' by the media and others, concerning the 18-20 millions illegal aliens that have invaded our country and continue to do so at a rate of 10,000 per day! By deliberately employing unspecified vagueness, and euphemistic substitutions such as, "immigrant (unspecified)," or "migrant (unspecified)" or "undocumented worker" they continually insult and offend their knowledgeable audience!
Why do you suppose there is such wide-spread use of these euphemisms? ….. It is particularly galling and egregious when those euphemisms are followed by the mantra: "After all we are a nation of immigrants aren't we?" The response to that comment is: Legal immigrants YES . . . illegal immigrants, NO!
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Hispanic and Latino groups have repeatedly called the Minutemen "anti-immigrant!" They NEVER say anti-illegal immigrant. The word illegal, is not in their vocabulary. They and their 'leaders' are deliberately obfuscating, duplicitous, hypocritical and dishonest! The national media routinely assists them in their campaign of disinformation. As such they both need to be admonished!
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We need to demand that our media stop being part of the cover-up. We need to encourage them to use the proper legal term of "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" or "illegal" (whatever noun they choose) when they report in the future. When Hispanic and Latino "activists" make the fallacious charges of racism, xenophobia and label someone as "anti-immigrant," the follow-up question needs to be: "is that anti-legal immigrant or anti-illegal immigrant?" This simple 'accuracy check' will go a long way towards framing the public conversation about this serious, important problem of massive illegal immigration and its impact on our country. |
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You know, these bulletin boards are the only place that we can get the truth behind the oh-so-carefully parsed phrases describing the actions of the minutemen.
I do believe that their opponents are actually angry that there have been no horrific confrontations and no illegal aliens shot.
The worst they've seen is one who gave a starving Guatemalan a bowl of cereal, $20 and some kind words before turning him over to Border Patrol.
Long live the Minutemen - they've focused some much needed attention and federal manpower in their area. The border had to get porous in some other spot because the word has been passed on the other side not to try to get through in the Minutemen zone.
Let's deploy Minutemen all across the border, if it gets that kind of reinforcement. Hell, I'd volunteer for this project myself if I lived closer - and the good news is that I soon will! 
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