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zinfella
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| Stevie wrote: | a proposed doc shouldn't have in it the court orders !!!
the way the media here 'vets' a candidate it won't be surprising to end up with a non citizen in office.
including the way so many citizens listen (not) and pay attention to what is said and done. They believe anything anyone says if it's giving them something... |
I totally agree with what you said, and the risk for having someone not eligible is alive and well if we depend on the MSM to vet candidates that they favor. However, I'm not going to put any faith in this birth certificate issue until we have a court demand that it be presented, and all of the i's dotted, with t's crossed. AFAIC, it's a straw dog, until I see otherwise.
Meanwhile, we got our ballots today, and they will be mailed in tomorrow. That's two votes for sanity, and zero for the socialist Obama, from this household. 
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| zinfella, if you were registered as a Democrat, you could go to your nearest ACORN office and get more ballots. Here's how they do it. They enter you name in a computer program that creates anagrams out of your first, middle, and last name (you can also add all your pets and dead relatives). Then it spits out additional names you can use to request additional ballots, pre-marked with all Democrats on the ticket...no charge...well, the taxpayers pick up the bill. |
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zinfella
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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No ACORN members here, however, my wife is a "reformed" Democrat, who will be voting republican this time. Many thinking people, including some Democrats ,think that the left has overplayed it's hand this time around. Personally, I think they've been doing that for years!
We will see how closely Joe Biden mirrors McGovern's VP debate remarks. 30 years ago.
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No news media is reporting this story because it did not happen yet. What is posted is Berg's proposed order that he wants the judge to sign. As an attorney that works in the federal system I can tell you that this is standard procedure. Approx 2-4 weeks before a scheduled hearing you file proposed orders together with your motion and memorandum of authorities.
I have not checked the court docket, but I would suspect that the Motion to Dismiss will be heard by the judge during the last week in Oct.
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DNC steps in to silence lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
| Quote: | ELECTION 2008
DNC steps in to silence lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
Democrat suing his own party says it's 'like they're in cahoots'
Posted: October 04, 2008
12:00 am Eastern
By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
Philip J. Berg, the man suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama's American citizenship, is outraged that his own party – rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks – would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.
As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he'll drop the suit.
Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.
Despite assertions by the Washington Post, FactChecker.org and other organizations that Obama has produced a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg told WND he remains "99.99 percent sure" that the certificate is a fake and he wants a court, not a website, to determine its validity.
Earlier last week, lawyers for Obama and the DNC filed a joint motion to dismiss Berg's lawsuit. The fact that the DNC joined in the dismissal request has Berg fuming, believing his party's leaders have ignored his pleas for proof in order to favor their chosen candidate over a rank-and-file constituent.
"I think it's outrageous," Berg said. "The Democratic National Committee should be ensuring the Democratic Party and the public that they have a qualified candidate up there. To file a joint motion is like they're in cahoots.
"Since then, I have asked by way of press release that Howard Dean resign, because (the DNC members) are not fulfilling their duties," Berg said.
"The DNC has a responsibility to all Democrats in this country to make sure that all of their candidates are properly vetted and properly qualified," Berg added. "I think it's really an outrage to the 18-plus million people who voted for Obama and the people who donated more than $425 million to him under false pretenses."
Berg is frustrated, not only with his own party's leadership for allegedly not investigating Obama's background, but also with the major news outlets for failing as well.
"I should also be suing the national media and their disgrace for not properly vetting, inspecting or checking on Barack Obama.
"Look what they're doing to Gov. Palin: They're opening up her closet doors, they're going through everything personal, but no one has ever gone after Obama. It doesn't make sense," Berg said.
Obama's website counters Berg's claims with links to articles that affirm the validity of his citizenship and an image of a Hawaiian birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama, born in Honolulu, Aug. 4, 1961. The webpage is part of the Obama campaign website's "Fight the Smears" section, an effort to prevent reports that Obama claims are false from disseminating as damaging rumors.
Berg acknowledges that as long as his lawsuit remains outstanding, the public will talk, and he told WND he wants Obama to quickly prove him wrong or the court to quickly prove him right.
"I've been on about 50 radio shows around the country," Berg said, "and on every one I've put out a challenge: Barack Obama, if I'm wrong, just come forth with certified copies of these documents and I'll close down the case."
Berg told WND, "I've had 19 million hits on my website. …Those people talk to other people, now we're up to 20, 30, 40 million people who are aware of this controversy, and it's going to drastically affect the entire election."
When asked what he would do if the DNC succeeded in getting his case dismissed, Berg said he'd "immediately file an appeal to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, and if we don't get a fair ruling there, immediately to the U.S. Supreme Court."
"We're dealing with the U.S. Constitution and it must be followed," Berg explained. "I want the Constitution enforced; that's my main reason for doing this.
"The real outrage is that there's nothing in our system that provides that a candidate must provide that his qualifications are true and correct before he or she runs, and that safeguard should be put into our system by law," Berg said. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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ELECTION 2008
Judge dismisses Obama birth certificate lawsuit
Rules voters don't have standing to 'police' constitutional requirements for president
| Quote: | "This is a question of who has standing to stand up for our Constitution," Berg told Jeff Schreiber of America's Right blog. "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to ask whether or not the likely next president of the United States – the most powerful man in the entire world – is eligible to be in that office in the first place, then who does?"
Berg told America's Right that even if he technically can't hold Obama accountable to the Constitution, someone should. He plans to appeal his case to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court. |
...this issue is toast.... |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Berg is appealing to the Supreme Court.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
| Quote: | (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/25/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Berg said, "I am totally disappointed by Judge Surrick's decision and, for all citizens of the United States, I am immediately appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court.
This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does? |
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zinfella
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I'll keep a close eye on this one, Lew. I don't have any idea whether or not the birth certificate issue is valid in this case, but the issue of who has standing surely is valid.
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BuffaloJack
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Most of us took an oath that went,
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
I would assume that this oath gives us valid standing on the question of challenging the credentials of anyone who seeks to be President of the United States. Since the federal government can re-activate any former service person at its disgression, that implies that any active, reserved, retired or former service person has standing to see that the Constitution is upheld. That includes John McCain. Sarah Palin took a similar oath as Governor of Alaska.
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zinfella
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't that judge take a similar oath to uphold the constitution?
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| zinfella wrote: | | Didn't that judge take a similar oath to uphold the constitution? |
Yes, he did. So did Obama when he was sworn in a a senator.
Obama, however, now says the our Constitution is severely flawed.
This means that he will not support or defend it; and that means his oath is a fraud. I do not want a president who would not be bound by his oath.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: |
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Aloha-hahahahahahahahahahaha!
...worried about "Identity Theft", doncha know...unless it's the Palin family, and then everything they ever said, did, or thought..and a lot they never did.... is Public Domain. |
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: |
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While I hate to rain on this particular parade (as I believe Obama is stonewalling on his birth certificate just as Kerry has and continues to stonewall on his SF 180), the WND title of this story...
| Quote: | | "Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor" |
...appears to misrepresent the governor's position. As is stated in the story...
| Quote: | | Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant. |
The Governor's purported "action" appears to be merely a legitimate citing and application of existing law and not some quasi-legal abuse of her gubernatorial power.
IMHO, WND does itself (and this issue) a dis-service by hyping the story in this manner. |
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zinfella
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
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So, we are stuck with taking his word? That reminds me of Bill Clinton, "I did not have sex with that woman, MS Lewinsky!"
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| zinfella wrote: | | So, we are stuck with taking his word? |
Perhaps so, at least in the near term. Were Obama the GOP nominee, the media uproar and ensuing public outcry to resolve the issue would have been deafening and insatiable...unfortunately not the case here.
We are left with Berg's appeal to the Supreme Court...and my tea leaves aren't educated enough to even guess whether that particular cavalry will act expeditiously enough (or at all) to resolve the "standing" question.
Even if they do return it quickly to the lower court, I assume that legal maneuvering will easily delay resolution until well after the election is over...perhaps setting us up for a constitutional nightmare unprecedented in American history. |
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