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The bandit
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me toss this monkey wrench into the fry:

The spot report claims the damage was the result of Battle Damage. The spot report also mentions that the boat was unable to continue with market patrol. Which suggest to me at least -- if no one else -- that this damage was caused on 13March.

I cannot imagine a boat being sent on a mission whose primary defense is speed...to be loaded down with troops..... anyone wanting anything to do with a boat with curled screws and loss of RPM's. You think the boats OINC would insist on a boat with a engine/drive 100% up to performance for such dangerous missions.

I can't see a boat like this being used or anyone wanting to use it, or any commander worth his salt willing to send a crew out on such a boat for combat operations. For this reason this damaged mush have, if it indeed ever did happen, occured on March 13 and not prior.
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NavyChief
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

et al.

I'm way out of my league here as far as repair knowledge. My experience with ships was 1 year onboard USS SPHINX ARL-24, 4 trips on subs USS AUGUSTA, USS PHILADELPHIA, USS OKLAHOMA CITY, and USS HYMAN G RICKOVER. I'm just an intell type Cool

But this is what I see with regard to the CASREP:

PCF-94 CASREP - ship incapable of performing Market Time Patrol due to damage. Why was it incapable:

Blown out windows? (this happened the day before yet Kerry rode the boat out anyway) - NO, not this.

VRC-46 Radio and all remote units pilot house inop? (VRC-46 was comms net, however a backup radio was available and used on this mission) - NO, not this.

AC wiring shorted out? (no AC, sucks but not a mission stopper) - NO, not this.

ONAN Genator inop? (safety issue) - possible but not by itself.

Steerage control after helm inop? (another safety issue and ship control) - possible.

Starboard bilge pump broken? (safety issue) - possible but not by itself.

Screws curled and chipped? (ship control issue - loss of maximum speed available. Also makes boat louder) - possible but not what degree curled given. If seriously curled than it's a show stopper.

Radar gear box frozen? (safety issue - mission issue) - probable because boat will not operate at night without radar. Also, cannot see where bad guys on water are.

Main engines experienced RPM drop? (safety, control, mission issue) - probable but degree of RPM loss not stated.

Add it all up and the boat needs repairs. The estimated time to repair it was 4 days as stated in the CASREP. This means someone looked at it and gave an estimate; doesn't mean it took that long.

Message was sent from COMCOSDIV 11 (Elliot) to CTF 115 (Hoffman). Two of the info addees on message are important to note here: NAVSUPPACT DET AN THOI and USS KRISHNA. The repairs were to be effected at AN THOI according to the intent of this message. Dryhaul repairs probably with USS KRISHNA as addee for berthing space possibly.

NOTE: NO HULL DAMAGE STATED WHATSOEVER! No bullet holes. No crush damage from a mine. No shrapnel shredding the aluminum hull.

Just a humble opinion from an intell type. Please shred it to pieces for those more knowledgable. And I'm not being sarcastic either, I want to learn the truth about all this. Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bandit wrote:
I can't see a boat like this being used or anyone wanting to use it, or any
commander worth his salt willing to send a crew out on such a boat for
combat operations. For this reason this damaged mush have, if it indeed ever
did happen, occured on March 13 and not prior.


NavyChief wrote:
I'm way out of my league here ....



I learned long ago not to underestimate a Navy Chief. Esp a spook one

Bandit ... you are assuming an "all at once" situation.

It is entirely possible that seven out of the nine "inoperables" were either
long standing deficiencies or damage from the previous day's operation.

With possibly two from March 13:

o AC wiring and Onan generator: A long standing problem with boats then

o Radar antenna frozen: A not uncommon problem and not battle related

o Engine low RPM: ALL Swift engines were past overhaul and low in RPM

o Bilge pump inoperable: Could happen at any time for many reasons

o Windows smashed and VRC-46 damaged: Previous day's operation
.. (The VRC-46 was mounted adjacent to the windows)

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o Curled screws and inoperaple after steering: Likely candidates for 4/13

IF the 94 ran over a submerged obstruction (eg a log) during the PCF-3
incident (ahem .. maybe while fleeing?) not only would this account for
the reported damage (how does a screw get curled by an underwater
explosion?) but could also be a factor in Rassmann's confusing testimony.
Things that go "bump" to a non-sailor could be confused with all sorts of
things. And might even jostle an OinC into the bulkhead, causing a slight
bruise.

Or PCF-94 could have run over an obstruction several days previously.
Speed up a narrow klong was not critical ... 10 or 15 knots was all that
could safely be made in such circumstances. So Kerry might have decided
to go with a boat that was "not up to full speed." Remember they were
going out on missions every day from a remote location with very few
boats and practically no backups.

But all this is just interesting to speculate on. Unless we get a Form 180
signed, or someone in the communications section of LST 1166 shows
up that knows who wrote the spot report messages, this whole episode
will remain simply a case of differing eyewitness accounts to a crime
scene ... with the defendant choosing not to to testify, call witnesses
or allow inspection of evidence which is in his possesion.


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