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HardCorps · Ensign Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 65 Location: San Diego

Doug Reese, here is the major reason the Kerry Silver Star is Bull and why the Nightline story actually supports the Swifties here and Unfit for Command.

1. The first approved 1969 citation for Kerry states: -"an ENEMY SOLDIER sprang up from his position not ten feet from PCF -94 and fled."- "Kerry then leaped ashore pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him". Signed by Adm. Zumwalt- no date

2. The second APPROVED citation 1970's- This 2nd citation mentions nothing of a single enemy soldier or a hooch (ALL WORDING AND REFERENCE IS REMOVED) but instead someone types in "Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire...."
This is day from night, Black and White not nuance but a big deal that strikes at the core of this award.
Focus on a) "enemy soldier + his position+ pursued the man+ killed him"
contrast with:
b) attacking a numerically superior force+ intense fire"= BULL!

3. Kerry had over 10 armed men on his boat. This is the big change from a wounded lone VC to a numerically superior force(this means at least 20 enemy VC against Kerry)If each VC emptied just one magazine that is 600 7.62 rounds coming at Kerry.
These changes and a Brand new certificate were signed by ADM. Hyland CINCPACFLT not the originator. Who is the originator of the 2nd and 3rd approved citations none of them the same or lost for that matter?? Where is the NEW Summary of action and 1650 for the last 2?

4. Guess what! When two approved, signed (over 2 decades) and different CONTRADICTORY citations exist for the same award you have a problem and I challenge any VET or Navy Flag to tell me that is standard operating proceedure. Wait there are 3 signed citations even better. But hell Kerry's Silver Star has a combat "V" typo that has existed through 30 years of political vetting a DD-214and DD-215 so I guess we are talking about a medal that does not exist.

5. Doug Reese,you were there, I specifically remember you telling Bandit in a pissing contest 2 month ago that the lone VC was not wearing a loin cloth but a pair of Black Shorts, well I guess Nightline is saying that you were at a different gunfight since the lone VC was wearing full pajamas.

-You also said that Kerry walked you over to the body and showed it to you, was this when his VC Platoon were still attacking Kerry with "intense fire" or when the lady was trying to drag his body away(according to NightLIES)?

6. Look at the Physical evidence, every fire fight I have been in from Mogadishu to Iraq, if there is intense enemy fire and a superior force then your position or vehicle shows it - no bullet holes in PCF 94. The only holes are in Kerry's story and all the saps who believe he was awarded his 5 medals in 21 days because he is some hero. Guys who have worked the awards system in combat are not unheard of, Kerry worked the Navy beginning with his first denied Purple Heart. How?- because Officers are given a "Special Trust and Confidence" not to do that kind of thing because we set the example for our men not needlessly risk their lives and our HONOR for personal glory- I'm sort a glad Kerry got the Silver Star so he could throw it into the dirt and show us all what a **** bird he his with no HONOR. PERIOD

One more thing, A Silver Star is awarded for a single act a gallantry and the order specifically states” not for minor acts of heroism” so if you are trying to add up the minor gunfight just before or the sniper fire just after- NO JOY, Kerry’s medal needed the single act rushing into a” superior force” and “intense fire”

“Rounds complete”, Out!
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Hammer2 · PO2 Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 387 Location: Texas

It never ceases to amaze me how journalists will prostitute themselves to maintain "access" to their sources.

We saw this recently with CNN and Saddam's Iraq. We have seen it in the past when ever a reporter would do a story from a Communist country. Now we see it again in this ABC story.

Look up the definition of a Potemkin Village. Communists go to great lengths to deceive the foreign press about the reality in their countries.
It is possible that this entire village was emptied for the show and propaganda teams sent in to replace the real villagers. There were government minders to make sure only the authorized story was told. There could not have been any real investigative reporting going on here, it is not allowed. From several other posters here it is even likely that the American translator is an anti-American activist from the old VVAW days.
Did you know the day the VVAW was founded was chosen to coincide with Ho Chi Minh's birthday?
It's true, look here: http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=260
Noooo, no connection between the communists, the VVAW, and JF'nK here, nope, nada, none!
Given the past cooperation between the interested parties, this could only be a setup to provide what Senator Moynahan used to call the "Boob Bait for the Bubbas" needed for Kerry.
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mach9 · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 97

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jimlarsen · Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:37 am Post subject:

Hey guys & gals
Consider this possibility.

1. Supposedly a swftvet was there 6 months before.
2. Kopple kept asking why would PEASANTS make this up.
3. The show looked scripted to match the docs.

So now we put our heads together and prove the story WAS scripted. Then ABC says they were had, not by the Viet Namese, but by the swftvet who was there before. And with O'Neil so adamant that the viewers look at what's written for the truth, ABC spins that as a hint to look at the docs to prove the show was scripted.

In other words: is it possible that this whole charade is a scam intended to discredit this organization?
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poseidon · Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:12 am Post subject:

sevry · Commander Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 326

HardCorps · Ensign Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 65 Location: San Diego

-Why would the former VC make stuff up? Why does the goverment REQUIRE a "MINDER" just to interview some peasants TED? What is she minding? I guess they "served" with Kerry's so trust them like Sandusky, or the non-swimming Green Beret.

- The subject of 3 contradictory Citation Certificates over 2 decades never came up. The fact that the Kerry website pulled the 1st citation off and hid it from the 2nd and 3rd.

- The villagers interviews do not contradict Unfit for Command or O'Neill and I do not see how anyone can make that conclusion.
- Yes a lone VC was shot while fleeing.
- Yes there were about 20 armed Vietnamese.- not a "numerically superior force"
- No they were not ALL at Kerrys beach site nor did they specifically oppose HIM. None of the villagers said or implied that. Their story taken in any context is totally inconsistent with Kerry's Citation(s).

It is Ted Koppels spin of the piece that concludes the SS was A-OK.
But which Citation version Ted, 1,2, or 3?
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kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

From the original article posted, I clicked the link for this earlier related article:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2004/story?id=123484&page=1

July 29, 2004
John Kerry Says Killing in War Permanently Changes Soldiers

He said he changed after returning from the war "in many of the same ways as all of them & you've been to a dark place, and you feel privileged, lucky, blessed to be alive. And it gives you a sense of responsibility — at least it gave me a special sense of responsibility — about how to use those days afterwards."

Despite that, Kerry said he never considered not serving, as did many members of his generation.

How many times did Kerry get deferments? And from what I've learned here, it would seem his whole 4 months in Vietnam was spent trying to get out rather than being committed to 'serving'.

Kimberly

Jarhead · Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:41 am Post subject:

What more fitting people to ask than the enemy, the Communist Vietnamese....John Kerrys' allies. Afterall, he was on THEIR side during the war. These old commies don't even know what year it is NOW, let alone remember a specific incident that happened on a specific day some 35 years ago. What a desperate, pathetic attempt to descredit the Swifites!

Oooorahhhhh Get some!
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kerrlied · Ensign Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 50 Location: Seattle

We need to all write and tell them how bad they are.
This is real Bd
ONeal did a wonderful job.

JK · PO3 Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 259

A GREAT performance by John O'Neill. Sorry Ted but your hatchet job didn't work here. It is obvious from John's appearance that ABC like CBS did a terrible job of getting "all" the facts and trying to establish a story to bolster Kerry's Silver Star medal and cast doubt upon the SBVT. I suspect that ABC will continue to investigate to identify the mystery visitor to the village if the event ever occurred... if ABC was so interested in finding the person any competent investigator could start with the Americans visiting Vietnam as said in Koppel's piece it is difficult to even get a clearance to visit the area.

We can see from the Nightline piece that the villagers are still living in very squalid conditions, the villagers need a dentist badly!!, their plight is another example of the failed policies of the Vietnamese government that Kerry supported. But as we know Kerry uses people for his advantage and then dissassociates from them.

I hope that the this Nightline piece gets much more media coverage so the public can see the "bias" from Koppel, John's point that ABC failed to contact the veterans involved even Kerry himself shows a narrow scope to meet their objective.

Besides the great performance the SBVT at least received some exposure on a major outlet - what about NBC and CBS where is their coverage???

Regardless of the presidential election outcome there is a need to revamp the entire television broadcasting, there are countless ways such as becoming stockholders, establishing non profit corporations, and going after the Public Broadcasting System that is supported by our taxpayer dollars, let's make them accountable and fair.

JK

DougReese · Former Member Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 396

kerrlied · Ensign Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 50 Location: Seattle

This is a link to Night Line or Nite LIES
We need to tell them how bad It WAS!! and So Un FAIR
TELL THE TRUTH...

niteline@abc.com