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hmminCanada
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Barbie2004 wrote:
My father used to tell me, and still does, that he has always believe that there were communist elements in the State Department. Isn't it funny, my understanding is that Kerry's father was career in the State Department. I will have to look this up, I haven't had time yet. If anyone knows, please let me know how I can find out more about this.
There was an article on Free Republic about this. It was called: John Kerry's Red Boots: Richard Kerry's Left-Wing Legacy.
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1198744/posts.
You will find it VERY interesting. |
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Beatrice1000
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This link does not work (unless it's just me/having some computer problems...) |
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Anker-Klanker
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| You are right, the link is not functioning. Apparently they have removed that article, or page, from their server. |
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Beatrice1000
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| Anker-Klanker wrote: | | You are right, the link is not functioning. Apparently they have removed that article, or page, from their server. |
Ok - found it. (It was the period after "posts" in the link that was the problem):
At wintersoldier.com: Series analyzing Kerry’s communist connections. - SOURCE
Part 1 of the series, “John Kerry’s Red Roots”: - SOURCE |
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Beatrice1000
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| Hammer2 wrote: | | There was at least one famous Soviet spy in the State department. Alger Hiss |
I could not resist pulling some excerpts from this article on Hiss. It could have been written about john kerry:
| Quote: | Why, White asks, was Hiss seen as a sympathetic figure by so many who should have known better—and why did they ignore irrefutable evidence in order to go on believing him? .... He could have admitted his guilt and sought to excuse his actions with the "idealistic" reasons that he thought at the time justified the betrayal of his own country.... Instead, Hiss pursued a consistent path of categorically dissociating himself from the slightest connection with Communism, developing what White calls a false narrative that he would relate for the rest of his life....
... He characterized those who accused him as liars and himself as their innocent and unwilling victim. ...His story necessitated that he adopt the pose of an outraged innocent, a man falsely accused by Chambers, whom Hiss portrayed as mentally unstable. From his earliest years, Hiss had had an aptitude for ingratiating himself with others, manipulating them single-mindedly until he achieved his goals..... The key Hiss adopted to convince others to accept his lies was what White terms the "reputational defense," using distinguished Establishment figures as character witnesses. His genius was to manipulate opinion so skillfully that each time incontrovertible evidence of his guilt emerged, he could turn the tables and produce worthies who would still swear to his innocence. .... "Instead of appearing as a person whose innocence was the natural inference of his integrity," White writes, "Hiss appeared as someone who was doggedly trying to keep others from learning about his secret past.” .....Hiss had a fanatical dedication to vindicating his reputation.
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What helped Hiss most was the changing moral and political climate. When he was imprisoned, most Americans undoubtedly believed in his guilt. But he maintained his charade long enough for the 1960s and Vietnam to come along and produce a new national climate, one in which many Americans came to believe the worst about their government—that, for example, the Justice Department and FBI would fabricate evidence to convict an innocent person. This skeptical climate enabled Hiss to gain near-vindication, as White puts it, "without his producing a shred of credible new evidence. "His tale of partisan right-wingers and government officials orchestrating a frame-up won him fresh supporters among the emerging New Left.
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Hiss acted in a manner that allowed him to inspire his gullible supporters, and to provide a living example of how American Cold War policy led to injustice. All the while, he stayed loyal to the Soviets and their goals. It is the achievement of G. Edward White to have provided the final unmasking of Alger Hiss and, one hopes, put an end once and for all to the campaign waged on the traitor's behalf. |
Hopefully someday the "final unmasking of john kerry" will come to pass. The sooner, the better.... |
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Beatrice1000
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| Hammer2 wrote: | | ...The Soviet Union may be gone, but there is still a strong Communist International working against freedom everywhere. Communists now ally themselves with the Islamic terrorists in the same way that Stalin allied with Hitler. They seek to destroy us first. Each side thinks they can destroy the other after they defeat us. ... The Communists just very nearly succeeded in getting one of their own elected, with hard work they were stopped. They will try again in 2008 with Hillary. With continued hard work we will defeat them again. I believe that they are nearly finished. ... Truth destroys lies, no longer can the left shape the prevailing public opinion in America. 2004 was the year that saw the beginning of a new American Revolution, one that will spread across the globe and free millions from tyranny. These are exciting times to live in! |
Yes, they are aligning with the terrorists: “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” concept -- what a deal made in hell. I’ve noted that the Left tends to continually reform new organizations when they come into conflict with their associates -- for instance, the split of the VVAW and the VVAW-AI, the VVA and the VVAF. And at one time the RU was kicked out of the VVAW, and etc. They may disassociate for purposes of their particular organization’s agenda, but, they never kick anyone out of “the club” when it comes to the bigger picture, such as joining for “peace marches” -- and for the takedown of America in general -- they are linked up like crazy on the internet. (For instance, the VVAW indicates a warning on their site to beware VVAW-AI, yet at the IVAW site (assoc. with David Cline from the VVAW), they link to NION, which is an organization of the VVAW-AI.) They use each other, no one it seems is too disspicable to deal with on their mission -- and then, yes -- “They seek to destroy us first. Each side thinks they can destroy the other after they defeat us.” They are making a big mistake with the Jihadis.....
I think perhaps the tangled web of interconnections is part of their strategy (cloaking devices). We need to keep unraveling it and pushing the information out -- especially when it comes to political candidates. As to Hillary, that is possible, but it is also possible that they may go for someone who is “not in their club” -- someone who will pass the test of being “centrist” --and who is charismatic and moderate. Someone beneath whom they can operate in a more quiet fashion that won’t even share their agenda. A “dupe.” Just a thought.
I do share your optimism that they are “nearly finished” and that “truth destroys lies.” But we will need to watch closely the shifting that is now taking place and not allow them to go to ground and emerge in new clothing. Also, right now, specifically, there is a characterization being pushed out by the Left that Bush’s reelection was caused by a taking over of the nation by religious fundamentalists. That all of us who voted for Bush are pushing a religious agenda. You see it in the “analysis” on the news -- you see it in the int’l. press. C-Span recently had some int’l TV programs on discussing the election, and they were all talking about the fact that America has become a nation wrapped in religion. They haven’t specifically said we are on a “Christian crusade” in the world yet, but I expect that to be coming. I see this as a way to further alienate the Muslem population by characterizing our War on Terror and the push for democracy and freedom around the world as nothing more than a war on Islam, a religious crusade... to further inflame the Jihadis, to create more converts to the cause against America. Always the tactic to cast suspicion on the motives of our government -- to misrepresent our actions -- and such a ready audience to believe the worst. These are indeed “exciting times to live in” -- enemies within and without and so much at stake. Had it not been for the Swifts and their exposure of kerry and the resultant need to study what the FBI termed the “New Left” in the 70s and all the threads to follow in that regard, I would not even have noticed what was going on. |
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Anker-Klanker
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Beatrice1000, those Wintersoldier links:
| Quote: | At wintersoldier.com: Series analyzing Kerry’s communist connections.
Part 1 of the series, “John Kerry’s Red Roots”: |
are a MUST READ for anyone following this thread. Thanks. I had spent some time on the Wintersoldier site early in the campaign, but had not gone back there recently. They have a lot of very good information very nicely organized. |
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d19thdoc
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There is also interesting data from the Venona Project, the decryption of the Soviet code, which names Harry Dexter White, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under FDR, as a Soviet agent. Does the decrypt material also name Hiss?
It also coinfirms the guilt of the Rosenbergs, another sacred cow of the Left.
Here is one of many links to the Project:
http://www.the-patriot-s-voice.com/id65.html I don't particulary agree with the "vindication" of McCarthy they boast about here; my take is that McCarthy was correct but didn't actually know it himself, and that many of those he accused were random political targets of opportunity for him.
My own feeling is that the Winter Soldier Investigation is one of the iconic sacred cows of the New Left from the 70's, and is ripe for taking down.
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d19thdoc
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d19thdoc
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This has nothing much to do with this thread, but it is a nifty piece of historical trivia of the sort that always fascinates me.
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., another Boston Brahmin, was a Civil War vet who delivered the famous Memorial Day speech containing the oft-quoted passage beginning: "In our youth, our hearts were touched by fire . . ."
As a boy, he was bounced on the knee of John Quincy Adams, a friend of the family. As an old man, he was a Supreme Court Justice, and one of his last clerks was Alger Hiss.
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Barbie2004
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hmminCanada, thank you for the link. It is very interesting. It's another keeper.
In particular, I like it when author's cite their assertions. It gives more credibility to their document, not to mention, it gives me more places to look for additional material.
Hammer2 wrote:
| Quote: | | It was accelerated by the Bolshevik revolution of October, 1917. |
Both of my grandparents on my father's side escaped from Russia in 1917; grandpa was 13 and grandma was 11. It is my understanding that they knew some very bad things were about to happen in Russia. So their families fled. Unfortunately, some of my ancestors did not get out at that time.
But I can't find out anything about any other family members because both towns they lived in were destroyed. I don't know if those towns were destroyed during Lenin's famin or Stalin's reign of terror.
When my grandparents arrived here, they moved to the midwest and became farmers, as they were in Russia. It was very difficult to get them to talk about Russia. I think that they carried their fear of talking about anything, even in this country. Both are deceased now. I miss them very much.
Although they came from Russia, they were really Germans who lived in the Volga region of Russia. Their ancestors migrated to Russia during Catherine the Great's reign. The History Channel has aired programs on the "Volga-Germans" and other Russian based programs. When I watch those programs, I can't help but feel some sense of loss and sorrow because I might be looking at a relative.
This has always been a particular segment of history that I am very interested in because of my ancestory. I am also very interested because I believe that the way to keep the "Lenin's" out of power is to recognize them, their rhetoric, and methodology, and to educate the public to this. There is no doubt in my mind that Kerry (and his Komrades) borrowed several chapters from the "Lenin" playbook, and will continue to do so in the Senate and through their various organizations, including the MSM.
I narrowly dodged the "Lenin-Stalin-Iron-Curtain" bullet. From what has been revealed, I believe that we dodged one of the "Kerry & Komrades bullets."
Final Point to Ponder: Do you all remember when Ronald Reagan passed away and a reporter asked Michail Gorbechev (msp?), something to the effect, how he felt about being at the funeral services of someone who had defeated him and communism?
As I recall, his response was something to the effect that that was "a fantasy."
Nobody, from what I can find out, asked Mr. Gorbechev what he meant by that. The MSM just brushed it off.
I think we know what he meant by that.
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Barbie2004
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Quick clarification on my Point to Ponder above:
I thought that question to Michail Gorbechev was in extreme poor taste. I would have never asked him such a question at such a time.
However, for brevity's sake, I did not comment on the quality of the question. Just making note that the question was asked.
My focus for the Point to Ponder was in Michail Gorbechev's response, and, if the question had to be asked at all, why was there no follow up?
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ScottyDog
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Enemies from Within
Do You want to know Who the enemies are in Congress? I copied the Democratic Socialists of America webpage before they were exposed by WorldnetDaily. They immediately took it down during the Kerry Bush Campaign
This is a list of members Congress that are full fledged members in the USA Communist Party. They are all traitors IMHO:
Rep Earl Hilliard (AL-07)
Rep Eni Faleomavaega (AS-AL)
Rep Ed Pastor (AZ-02)
Rep Lynn C Woolsey (CA-06)
Rep George Miller (CA-07)
Rep Nancy Pelosi (CA-0
Rep Fortney "Pete" Stark (CA-13)
Rep Henry A. Waxman (CA-29)
Rep Xavier Becerra (CA-30)
Rep Julian C. Dixon (CA-32)
Rep Esteban Edward Torres (CA-34)
Rep Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Rep George E. Brown (CA-42)
Rep Bob Filner (CA-50)
Rep Diane DeGette (CO-01)
Rep Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC-AL)
Rep Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Rep Carrie P. Meek (FL-17)
Rep Alcee L. Hastings (FL-23)
Rep Cynthia A. McKinney (GA-04)
Rep John Lewis (GA-05)
Rep Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Rep Patsy Mink (HI-02)
Rep Jesse Jackson (IL-02)
Rep Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Rep Danny Davis (IL-07)
Rep Lane Evans (IL-17)
Rep Julia Carson (IN-10)
Rep John Olver (MA-01)
Rep Jim McGovern (MA-03)
Rep Barney Frank (MA-04)
Rep John Tierney (MA-06)
Rep David Bonior (MI-10)
Rep Lynn N. Rivers (MI-13)
Rep John Conyers (MI-14)
Rep Bennie G. Thompson (MS-02)
Rep Melvin L. Watt (NC-12)
Rep Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Rep Jerrold Nadler (NY-0
Rep Major Owens (NY-11)
Rep Nydia M. Velazquez (NY-12)
Rep Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Rep Maurice Hinchey (NY-26)
Rep John LaFalce (NY-29)
Rep Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Rep Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
Rep Louis Stokes (OH-11)
Rep Sherrod Brown (OH-13)
Rep Elizabeth Furse (OR-01)
Rep Peter A. DeFazio (OR-04)
Rep Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Rep William Coyne (PA-14)
Rep Carlos A. Romero-Barcelo (PR-AL)
Rep Robert C. Scott (VA-03)
Rep Bernard Sanders (VT-AL)
Rep James A. McDermott (WA-07)
Groups that support the “Progressive Agenda”:
Progressive Coalition supporting socialist agenda
Americans for Democratic Action
Campaign for America's Future
Campaign for New Priorities
Center for the Advancement of Public Policy
Center of Concern
Coalition on Human Needs
Demilitarization for Democracy
Development GAP
50 Years is Enough Network
Friends of the Earth
Fund for New Priorities in America
Institute for Policy Studies
Institute for Women's Policy Research
International Labor Rights Fund
National Jobs for All Coalition
National Organization for Women
National Priorities Project
NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
Peace Action
Preamble Center for Public Policy
Public Citizen, email: Public Citizen
Stakeholders Alliance
United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America
United for a Fair Economy
Washington Chapter Alliance for Democracy
Working Assets
Women, Law and Development
National Council of La Raza
The Campaign for Health Security
Leadership Conference on Civil Rights
Friends Committee on National Legislation
Center for Defense Information
Council for a Livable World Citizens for Tax Justice
U.S. Campaign to Ban Landmines
Amnesty International
Human Rights Watch
Americans for a Sustainable Economy
National Education Association
USA Network for Habitat II
Catholic Charities
National Council of Negro Women
Center for Law and Social Policy
Witness for Peace
Children's Defense Fund
Child Welfare League
National Black Child Development Institute
Urban League
Economic Policy Institute
Brookings Institute
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare
Defenders of Wildlife
Veterans for Peace
National Rainbow Coalition
AFL-CIO
U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
UNITE
Unitarian Universalist Service Committee
National Association of Public Hospitals
National Council of Senior Citizens
Long-Term Care Campaign
Consumer's Union
Center for Responsive Politics
Latin American Working Group
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Rurik
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Sorry I'm late for the party. But I've still got something to contribute. See:James L. Tyson, "Target America, The Influence of Communist Propaganda on U.S. Media", Regnery, 1981.
Not just about the communists in the media, but also invaluable for its lists of front groups, members, interlocking directorates and agendas. Names names and gives labels. Details on propaganda techniques, and much more. Among the most valuable books on this topic I've found.
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helopilot
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Alinsky is useful for us as well. The rules can be applied both ways.
And one of the better ones is:
Kill them with their own rules. |
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