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BuffaloJack
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Kerry saying "he’ll be ready next time" is no different than the guy who does something stupid, injures himself and then say "I meant to do that."
As long as there is truth to stand in Kerry's way he is finished.
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shawa
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A faux-incensed Fred Short weighs in:
| Quote: | I question who indeed is the liar? Of all the talk and quotes you offer in your article on Senator Kerry's' military service, one thing (besides my umbrage) glaringly stands out. You, sir, were not there. You did not eyewitness any combat action that led to any of Kerry's decorations. Neither was anyone you quoted in your article under the command of Lt. (j.g.) John Kerry. And this is especially true of every other member of the Swift Boat Veteran's for Truth.
All of whom you cite were not aboard the boats in any of the combat engagements, which resulted in Kerry's medals. I was. I was the Gunner's Mate manning the twin 50-cal. machine guns in the gun tub on PCF - 94 (Feb./Mar., '69). Lt. Kerry was wounded a second time and, in a later action, received the Silver Star during my tenure aboard the 94 boat. In fact, his actions that won the Silver Star also saved my life. Every living member of his crew that served with Kerry when he earned his 3 Purple Hearts, Bronze and Silver Stars, was present on the Boston stage for his acceptance of the Democratic Party's Presidential Nomination. We, the actual crew, are the eyewitnesses. This article is false witness to the service of Senator Kerry. It is false witness to us, the crew. It is falsehoods, sir, offered by those who are not in any position to know the facts.
- FREDERIC A. SHORT, SR., North Little Rock, AK |
http://ledger.southofboston.com/articles/2007/11/10/opinion/opin04.txt
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mtboone
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| shawa wrote: | A faux-incensed Fred Short weighs in:
| Quote: | I question who indeed is the liar? Of all the talk and quotes you offer in your article on Senator Kerry's' military service, one thing (besides my umbrage) glaringly stands out. You, sir, were not there. You did not eyewitness any combat action that led to any of Kerry's decorations. Neither was anyone you quoted in your article under the command of Lt. (j.g.) John Kerry. And this is especially true of every other member of the Swift Boat Veteran's for Truth.
All of whom you cite were not aboard the boats in any of the combat engagements, which resulted in Kerry's medals. I was. I was the Gunner's Mate manning the twin 50-cal. machine guns in the gun tub on PCF - 94 (Feb./Mar., '69). Lt. Kerry was wounded a second time and, in a later action, received the Silver Star during my tenure aboard the 94 boat. In fact, his actions that won the Silver Star also saved my life. Every living
member of his crew that served with Kerry when he earned his 3 Purple Hearts, Bronze and Silver Stars, was present on the Boston stage for his acceptance of the Democratic Party's Presidential Nomination. We, the actual crew, are the eyewitnesses. This article is false witness to the service of Senator Kerry. It is false witness to us, the crew. It is falsehoods, sir, offered by those who are not in any position to know the facts.
- FREDERIC A. SHORT, SR., North Little Rock, AK |
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Fred was on the crew a total of 18 days and Alston was only with him for 7 days which was maybe two or three patrols. I have a hard time figuring out how they got so close.
http://ledger.southofboston.com/articles/2007/11/10/opinion/opin04.txt
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JN173
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: And attacks Rush: |
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From Kerry's Senate web site:
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=287284
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11/09/2007
Kerry Spokesman Sets Limbaugh Straight on Swiftboat Smears
WASHINGTON D.C. – Kerry spokesman David Wade issued the following statement today in response to Rush Limbaugh, who said on his radio show that Kerry’s Swift Boat attackers in 2004, “were right on the money and nobody has disproven anything they claimed in any of their ads, statements, written commentaries, or anything of the sort.”
“At first I thought, that’s not Rush, that’s just the OxyContin talking. Nonetheless, this is a despicable but unsurprising new lie from a man whose closest brush with combat came when customs officials tried to take away his Viagra. This portly peddler of hate is once again wrong on the facts. John Kerry served his country with honor in Vietnam, and has fought for his fellow veterans ever since. The lies and smears of the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush were disproved conclusively in 2004 by the men who fought by John Kerry’s side in Vietnam, by the military’s own records, by investigative journalists, and by the incredible contradictions that exposed these right wing smear artists. It is long past time that we end the politics of fear and smear that we have seen used against decorated veterans from John McCain to Max Cleland and John Kerry. Rush Limbaugh’s ignorance and determination to divide Americans is just another reminder that you can’t spell ‘Rush Limbaugh’ without the letters L-I-A-R.”
The watchdog group Media Matters has provided an excellent fact check of the Limbaugh smear, proving once again that when it comes to slandering veterans, the right wing is wrong. The fact check can be found at: (http://mediamatters.org/items/200711090008?f=h_latest
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Nothing like a clearly articulated ad homenim attack to resolve the question./s
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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This is somewhat of an amazing phenomenon. A small report in a local paper on an obscure gathering in a small community is growing as the focal point of, perhaps, the genesis of an anti-Kerry campaign in Massachusetts.
...and "big guns" are beginning to make their appearance. A comment from the Massachusetts "Lt. Governor" and Fred Short? Do not doubt for a nanosecond that Kerry Inc. is CLOSELY tuned in.
WELL DONE! and BZ! to Mr. Benner and The Patriot Ledger for getting this ball rolling !
on edit: ...but WAIT! There's still MORE...
Here (with a familiar name  ) and here...and I just gotta post this excerpt...
| Quote: | Did you or anyone else present think to ask why someone as bright and verbally facile as the senator, and as assiduously self-promoting, who has spent a political lifetime cultivating a dossier of himself as a Vietnam War ‘‘hero,’’ was caught off guard and reduced to mute impotence by a frontal assault by fellow servicemen against what purported to be the strongest feature of his resume?...
Let me suggest an answer...The senator knew deep down that over 150 of his fellow officers and servicemen had the goods on him, and try as he might, he had no credible answer to their charges. Guile stands mute in the face of truth.
- FRANK L. McNAMARA, Jr., Esq., Bolton |
Boom!
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shawa
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Me#1 said
| Quote: | | This is somewhat of an amazing phenomenon. A small report in a local paper on an obscure gathering in a small community is growing as the focal point of, perhaps, the genesis of an anti-Kerry campaign in Massachusetts. |
I think you're right!
When Kerry announced his dossier, I couldn't figure why now?
At first I chalked it up to Kerry just being delusional thinking he
could run again for Prez and his little dossier remarks would just fade
into oblivion.
But the really nasty attack on Rush had me wondering--JK is bracing for a fight, but why??
You nailed it--Kerry's worried about his Senate seat!
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shawa
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Woohoo!!
| Quote: | Your interview with Senator John Kerry seems to be a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. He accuses his political opposition as liars who eschew the truth. He claims that he is now armed with all sorts of documentation to prove his military honor.
This all seems to be a bit late as all he had to do was release his entire original military and military medical records four years ago. These records are not embellished by interpretations for political advantage but would be available for intelligent people to derive their own conclusions. He has now had these four years to massage the reports to his own liking.
This is hardly the truth.
Senator Kerry has a propensity to play loose with the truth. He was the one who associated himself with the proven liars in Detroit at the Winter Soldiers Hearings and later reiterated their outrageous claims during his congressional testamony. There was no way that a reasonable person could not know that their horrendous claims which he internalized were not false. He was the one who refused to release all of his military records and later claimed he had and has yet to do. He is the one who has disparaged our men and women in Iraq by making equally outrageous false claims about their honorable service.
Senator Kerry is either delusional or the most bold faced liar who has ever walked if he expects people to look at his record with respect to his personal ability to tell the truth and expects them to believe him. Mixed in with these overt personal failings is his obvious contempt through arrogance for honest people he fully expects to believe his verbal tripe.
Senator Kerry deeply offends my personal sense of morality, ethics, honor and patriotism. There is seldom a moment when he speaks that my disgust is not affirmed.
- R. DEVEREUX SLINGLUFF, USN Hospital Corpsman, Baltimore, Md. |
Wonder if JK is sorry he opened this door again!
He's struck a raw nerve, letters coming from all over the country!
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Reader "Bat One" at "Say Anything" blog thinks Kerry is suggesting he's prepared for another go THIS YEAR !....
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"I have no doubt at all that some of the people involved on the other side don’t care about the truth, think nothing about distorting it, will not hesitate to say and do whatever they think is necessary to win," Kerry said. "But I think we are now much more prepared and savvy about those kind of things, and certainly in my own involvement, I will make certain that people don’t get away with that." Drivel and bluster… again. If he had been better prepared to have his war hero fantasy challenged before he entered the race four years ago, he wouldn’t be in this embarrassing situation four years later.
Even in this modest admission of his own ineptitude, Kerry can’t resist the temptation to lie. This isn’t about 2012 or any subsequent run for the White House. Hillary stumbled badly in the recent Dem debate, and now looks vulnerable. Kerry is simply announcing himself as an alternative candidate by suggesting that his Vietnam war record “problem” has been taken care of.
It hasn’t. And Kerry’s hopes of ever becoming president floated off into the jungle mists of Cambodia long, long ago. Along with the magic hat.
Go home, Senator. That war is finished. And so are you.
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I don't really buy it myself, but the notion that the level of Kerry's angst over his failure in 2004 might actually drive him to the flights of fancy suggested above is a delicious one to contemplate. |
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RiflemanDD730
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| FREDERIC A. SHORT, SR. wrote: | | We, the actual crew, are the eyewitnesses. |
Apparently, these eyewitnesses couldn't confirm hostile fire for the 1st PH or the date for the excursion into Cambodia. However, they did confirm "phantom fire" for 3.2 miles during the Bronze Star episode.
These were brave men that deserve credit for their service and courage. But the Swifties were brave and courageous too. The differences in claims between these two groups of veterans must be resolved with facts. The Swifties have the edge in the facts department. |
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streetsweeper95B
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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#1?
I do believe I made some posts here much earlier about this same subject, predicting that sKerry would come with another approach for POTUS. His constant preening, grooming & posturing after his defeat for the POTUS & election will never change except in the manner he approaches it.
Uh....not sure I remember the exact dates but I did make them.....I'll say again.
I can feel it. He's not done & will do anything thing he can from way off in the background to influence the outcome in his favor. He'll gladly put in use the same tactics of the NVA & Viet Minh. I'll continue to stand by that belief & not budge one inch from it. Everyone seems to be laid back, highly confident & smug in their own thoughts that this cat won't take another run or influence events as best he can.
Some here may not like the fact. Again, I will not give up one inch of ground on him. I can feel it, I anticipate it & that's the way it goes. Swiftvets themselves have stood down, true. I know some are reading the site, that I feel. To them, I say you can't back off this dog & pony show called sKerry one little iota. If you do, we go down. If we go down, the rest tumbles down around us.
You guys led a whole bunch of men & women into a whole new battlefield. The one for the USA. Not the NAU which by some means beyond me is coming.
I'm very proud of the fact & went to the extreme of trying to get Steve Gardner hooked up with a good employer when he was in need of employment. I haven't heard from him since then. However; I called in a favor from a job offer that I turned down in an effort to get him up & going.
I didn't hesitate to go to bat & told the man, This guy stood up to John Kerry. Do you have a personal or business problem with it? The reply was "No, we don't". The job was his, all he had to do was show up, fill out the paperwork & it would have been a signed delivered deal. Would I do it again?
Oh hell yes, for anyone of you. Swiftvet or not......We are brothers & sisters. The very best that walk the face of this planet.
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Me#1You#10
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| streetsweeper95B wrote: | #1?
I do believe I made some posts here much earlier about this same subject, predicting that sKerry would come with another approach for POTUS...
I can feel it...
Everyone seems to be laid back, highly confident & smug in their own thoughts that this cat won't take another run or influence events as best he can. |
Street, you appear to be reading much more into my comment than was intended...and your apparent hypersensitivity to any utterance from His Fraudulency is quite understandable.
I simply disagree with the notion (particularly with the political realities at this stage in the game) that EVEN Kerry is harboring some glimmer of hope for any realistic scenario that might make him viable in Presidential '08.
I think his recent comment is more of a reflection of A) posturing in defense of his senate seat... B) posturing in consideration of some hoped-for '12 viability...C) Empty and meaningless bravado in the face of a Swiftvet challenge that he knows isn't immediately forthcoming and D) chronic angst over his loss in '04 (MY particular favorite) |
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baldeagle
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | | D) chronic angst over his loss in '04 (MY particular favorite) |
I agree with that one. His first thought upon waking in the morning and the last one in his mind as he tries to fall asleep at night. "What could have been".
From his teen years hanging out with the first JFK, he had one thought, to emulate his hero's life, and everything he ever did after that was to further that goal. To have spent his whole life persueing one goal and to have failed so miserably has to eat away at his innards every minute of his day. And he deserves every minute of it.
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streetsweeper95B
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Roger that, #1
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