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producehawk · PO1 Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 463

My home town paper(spokesman review) printed an article that stated no one that is a member of the swiftys served on the same boat (lie) said cambodia was just a missunderstanding, And that all the medal flaps have been proven to be lies. THe whole artlicle was a blatent lie. Above the story they had a new cartoon showing the swiftys as goules shooting up the truth. NOne of the letters to the ed. were complimentry to the swiftys.In other words the paper in my town and I imagine in a lot of other area are not only trying to cover up, but liying to do it.It is a waste of time sending them a letter, except that it is all I can do. I know the swiftys will keep up the pressure. But the MSM can get me down sometimes. THis article was in 8-29-4- today!!

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ETEE · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:11 am Post subject:

The Mainstream Media will be taken up by the Republican Convention this week. It will allow the SwiftVets some needed time to rest, recoup and have a strategy meeting. They have been at it 24\7 for sometime now. You can do more damage than good when trying to do a job when you're sleeping at the wheel. Post Convention coverage will keep the Media busy untill the Gathering in Washington.

September 12th. is the Vietnam Veteran Gathering in Washington, D.C.. We all need to be there to make sure we are counted by the Media. I will be hitch hiking up from South Louisiana and sleeping under the bridges if I have to. It's taken 35 years for John Kerrys lies to come full circle and I wouldn't want to miss it. I certainly hope that the SwiftVets will attend and accept the gratitude of my fellow Veterans. It could re-introduce the SwiftVet story to the press with the backing of what I hope will be hundreds of thousands............or more?

Raven · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:20 am Post subject:

Integrity · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:23 am Post subject:

Waiting for 90% of the lamestream media to counter the lies of Kerry's propogandists is like man sitting on side of mountain waiting for roast duck to fly in mouth.

Notice there's no counter argument. When O'Neill or other vets are on it's more than a fair match up and the left gets their heads handed to them. For those actually watching the news for any period of time, they know the truth, or at least what Kery's supporters are handing out is spin.

The vets will continue to hammer Kerry like a cheap tent stake until he's pounded throughly into the ground. The next phase focusing on his anti-war treason sheds much light on Kerry then and Kerry now. He betrayed our troops then and he would again now.
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Lily · Lieutenant Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 244

Every few days someone comes here giving advice to the Swiftees on strategy, this though the SBVT managed to take a story that the MSM ingored and get that story to 77% of the American people. That is HUGE penetration almost unheard of and from an initial ad that cost only about $500,000.I think the Swiftees are doing just fine. This is a story that has been going on for weeks when most stories die a quick death in a two day news cycle. Compare the legs of the SBVT to the McGreevey story which has been off the front pages for a while now.

Stories acquire legs by being covered from a variety of angles the next angle could be the ongoing success of "Unfit for Command",Kerry's continued decline in the polls, a new round of devastating ads or the Kerry lied rally in Washington next month.The Swiftees have proven that a story can become huge while being ignored by the MSM. Talk radio, cable news and the internet are enough to make that happen.This story is far from over with the RNC convention offering a brief lull in the action. Look for things to pick up after the convention with Kerry again on the defensive. Why do you think the dems have their big guns out denouncing the Swiftees? That wouldn't be happening if the Swiftees were not effective.

Nathanyl · PO3 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

The liberal portion of this country for the most part isn't going to believe anything that's written here or shown to them that's negative to Kerry so don't even be concerned with them. We all see the DNC with their blatent lies every day on the news and the liberal media twisting the facts to protect Kerry, but people aren't as stupid as the media and the politicians think they are. The mainstream media coverage of this will probably die down for a week or two, in particular this week with the Republican convention going on. I'm not sure this is a bad thing. To have the coverage switch to showing the radical element of this country stripping naked and doing their best to disrupt things in New York helps hurts Kerry. People don't want that sort of disruption and I think at least some will make the connection between the present anti-war movement and Kerry. Also the bloggers are gonna keep on hammering so this is far from over. As a famous knight once said "Patience young Jedi". Very Happy

Raven · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:26 am Post subject:

msindependent · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:42 am Post subject:

I don't feel that the media is winning against the Swift Boats. They might hope that they are, but they aren't. They can ignore it and move on to other topics, but the subject is not going away. I would imagine that this week will focus on the nut case protesters. After that, the news will be forced back into the Swift Boat's case against Kerry.

Chuck Z Ombie AC2000 · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:07 am Post subject:

I am overjoyed the mainstream media is declaring the swiftvets a non issue again. Remember how much damage that was done to Kerry before the MSM got"the scoop" on this story? They will toodle along ignoring the story while the swiftvets continue to hammer away in the new media (bloggers and talk shows) which will be much more effective in allowing of the real facts to shine through.

There are 2 main reasons why i think Kerry is through.

1 being that the swiftvets will continue to keep sticking the message to Kerry who will keep trying to ignore the story thus fuelling the fires. and 2 i know GW Bush is keeping a gigantic ace in the hole for september and october which will skyrocket his approval rating and easily trounce Kerry. Notice we dont hear about zarqawi osama and zawahiri anymore. i wouldnt be surprised we hear about the capture/killings of all 3 of them in the coming months.
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RocketFett · PO3 Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 292

Okay, I am so totally p****d now with the tv media INCLUDING FOX news I could spit nails about it and don't know what else to do! Even Brit Hume today said that last week went more for kerry proving more of what he said was accurate and not the SBVT! What the heck was he referring to! NOTHING last week proved kerry accurate over SBVT, besides the fact that he broke campaign finance reform law and got off scott like every other time he's broken a law!

I no longer know how to deal with the fact that the ENTIRE tv media is perpetuating the lie that SBVT haven't really proven anything about kerrys pathetic three combat months in Vietnam are a lie, and that kerry is disproving them! That has really got me angry because after spending a solid month on the site and reading tons of their source material and first hand accounts and then calling the kerry campaign with it, and getting NO ANSWERS FROM THEM it is so blatantly obvious that he's lying.

It's been proven that he lied about being in Cambodia at ALL.

It's been proven that at least the first and third Purple Hearts he received were NOT under enemy fire as there are NO after action reports on file for them, and kerry's own personal diary reads that they had yet to come under fire and that was NINE DAYS AFTER he put in for the first one.

It's been pretty well debunked that he was NOT heroic at all when he "rescued" rassman, as it was kerry throwing his PCF to full throttle that thres him in the water in the first place, and the only fire was the .50 Calibre guns on the other two PCF that closed on the damaged 03 boat, and there were NO shrapnel wounds on anyone not even the guys on the 03 boat, yet kerry claims to have been wounded then also with shrapnel from that mine even though his boat wasn't at all damaged, and that type of mine didn't throw shrapnel. The after action report from that incident was written from kerry's own spot notes, which effectively make the Bronze Star and that Purple Heart based soley on his word. And several of the SBVT were there and his story makes no sense, plus the 3.2 miles of fire he CLAIMS to have gone through to get Rassman. If he hadn't have fled the mine site there would have been no distance to cover to get him and he wouldn't have fallen off the boat in the first place, and if there had been 3.2 miles of fire on both banks like he claimed, they'd of ALL been killed!

And now Admiral Lehman comes out and basically proves that the SS citation is a fraud because he never signed it and it's dated a decade after kerry's six year, six month Naval committment (which he never fulfilled in the firstplace!) was over.

I mean my God that all is just what I can toss off at the top of my head as the most blatant tv lies! And the TV media says SBVT haven't proven anything kerry said is a LIE! GOD that is infurating. I tell you one thing, when the POWs come out in September there will be no more wiggle room for him. God help the sorry SOB that accuses them of just being bitter and lying! Those guys have suffered and been through more than anyone who has ever suffered for this country short of those who were KIA. In some ways I believe they went through more than the brave men and women who died in combat. There should be NO mercy shown to those who would smear the POWs like the Swift Boat Vets are being personally slandered and smeared, all for reporting what they know is fact. Those POWs hate kerry with a passion for what he did to them making their time as prisoners so much worse, and they make the SBVT look like his most bestest buddies! What can one person like me do to do SOMETHING about the blatant misrepresentation of the lies that SBVT have exposed? They have more than concretely proven most of what they've said and backed it up, but the lie of no proof still abounds, even the garbage about "not on the same boat" even though Steve Gardner WAS on kerry's boat for nearly three months, and anyone with basic knowledge of them knows that you don't have to be in the same boat to know what's going on in the other boats, especailly since you live, eat, sleep, and brief on the same berthing ship with ALL the other guys in the squadron. Sorry for the rant. I'm just frustrated after a day of seeing the Swift Vets basically called liars and Bush hacks when it's clear kerry's lying, they're telling the truth, and many of them aren't even Republicans! Grrrrr! Evil or Very Mad

Sorry. Just frustrating not being able to do anything about something you know isn't right or fair!

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Chuck Z Ombie AC2000 · Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:29 am Post subject:

Actually i think Hume meant that Kerry was able to produce naval records and eyewitnesses this past week as the swifvets have been using eyewitnessses mostly. Hume is on the swiftvets side but i think hes trying to be unbiased in reporting, he knows the swiftvets have a right to be mad. He also certainly knows the 'new media' will expose Kerry for what he is while the "old media" goes back to sleep.
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sparky 36 · Seaman Recruit Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 29 Location: Az.

I'am very tired of MSM and the lacky's for Kerry not confornting the issues , but to just shout liar liar. I feel very badly for the swift vets and there familes, but I realy feel they will prevail .
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