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Roon
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| Stevie wrote: | | Roon wrote: | I'm an accountant. If there are less than 500,000 Sub S businesses, I believe I know at least half of them personally and I don't get around that much!
I just pulled a book off my bookshelf, VERY DATED I might add. In 1993 there were 1,905,800 Sub S Corporate returns filed with the IRS. That number has grown leaps and bounds since then. (I'm looking for the source of that to see if I can find an updated number. Maybe others have newer info than that.) Then on top of the Sub S, you have LLPs which file partnership returns but are pretty much like Sub S corps. |
that must have been something kerry said.....
having worked for 11 yrs in a local city tax and business licensing dept, I can back you up.... if little old chandler, az was licensing 75 + a month (city about 100-150,000) then give me a break! 500.000! I wonder how many Phx has...... may check our corp commission..... someone Bush person will come up with the right number. |
That's what factcheck.org is saying (I've also heard it from Demo spinmasters and I believe Edwards the other night.) I just found the acrobat version of the IRS 2003 Databook on the IRS website (most current version, I'll have the current numbers after I wade through it.)
Where would we be without the web? |
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ArmybratNavywife
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:41 am Post subject: |
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I think he was just trying to figure out which stances Kerry would decide to use in the debates during the first one  I don't think he could memorize rebuttals to all of them. |
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fr11
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| LewWaters wrote: | Flash polls, as skewed as they are, can say anything they want. I sure enjoyed seeing Kerry stammering the few times he did.  |
I couldn't believe that the "great debater/war hero" was actually stuttering and, at one point, was even at a loss for words. I don't care what the spinsters say. Bush won this debate hands down. |
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wednesdaychild
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Hi all, i was in the IRC chat during debate. Bush was incredible. I have donated
$10.00 to the SBV and 10 to the RNC. I wish I could give more but I have limited income. I hope every little bit helps.
Go SBV and
Go GW Bush.
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granny23
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| I agree that the factcheck.org numbers sound low. |
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Stevie
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does Kerry think 'I have a plan...' is like ' I have a dream....' and some day we'll have a national holiday in his honor?????
dang, I've had a lot of 'plans' over the years.... I planned to make a fortune, live the high life, travel the world etc..... now I 'plan' to win the lottery and buy a new fangled 'mobile' home..... etc.....
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Paul R.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:47 am Post subject: Kerry's delusion |
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Gotta hit the sack before my wife kills me! One last thought on Kerry's "delusion", said better than I could. Quote:
"An alliance of European powers is a chimera that no longer holds any significant value. That is a critical point. It is an essential point of delusion embedded in Senator Kerry’s world view. He waits for rescue from a knight long dead and moldering, sitting beneath a withered oak tree in rusted armor."
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/
Emphasis mine.
The author excepts Britain, of course! If he specified the oil-for-food group, he'd have to add a description of the smell!
P.S. If you haven't read this essay yet, do! Long, but well worth it.
(I'll sleep with a smile, tonight.)
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ArmybratNavywife
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:49 am Post subject: |
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My parent aren't online..Lurch..hows about describing that plan on TV  Not everyone gets online! |
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PC
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:04 am Post subject: America -- You Gotta be Getting This |
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These debates have come down to:
John Kerry slings #@% at our President. Kerry lies, misreprensents, criticizes and confuses the truth. And then states he has a plan.
That's it. He works in a few "color and quotes" as shallow support and then goes on with "this administration lied, whine, whine whine."
Johnny Blow Dry does this because he knows the polls show that people are not voting for him, they are voting against GWB. And they are voting against GWB because the mainstream media has jabbed, jabbed and softened our President up, set him up for whatever candidate the donkeys selected. Dean, Kerry, Edwards, doesn't matter, the Lame Stream media has done their job over the last 4 years of taking sucker punches at our president.
Now President Bush, on the other hand, sincerely tries to address what has happened during the past 4 years. AND, he describes what his intentions are for the future.
Now most undecideds probably don't get that. They hear the Kerry negatives, he simplifies everything, so they can catch it and then glaze over when GWB gets sincere and tells positive responses.
BUT, GWB started tonight on making the folks, as BOR would say, aware of Kerry's Senate record. And that is good.
In the next debate, GWB needs to leave America with the total negative picture of Blow Dry and his record, or lack of record.
We are going to win this. There is no way that Johnny Blow Dry, Turn Coat, Wanna bee Viet hero is going to run this country. And certainly not with Ms Eurotrash Ketshup.
GWB did his part tonight. Let's all do ours.
I'm going to the local Republican headquarters on Monday and will do whatever it takes.
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Ogre
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For anyone interested, it's starting again on Foxnews.
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Roon
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| Quote: | Factcheck.org says:
"Cheney made a puffed-up claim that "900,000 small businesses will be hit" should Kerry and Edwards raise taxes on individuals making more than $200,000 a year, as they promise to do.
As we've explained before, 900,000 is an inflated figure that results from counting every high-income individual who reports even $1 of business income as a "small business owner." Even Cheney and his wife Lynne would qualify as a "small business owner" under that definition because Mrs. Cheney reports income as a "consultant" from fees she collects as a corporate board member, even though she had no employees and the business income is only 3.5% of the total income reported on their 2003 tax returns.
A better figure comes from the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, which recently calculated that the Kerry tax increase would hit roughly 471,000 small employers. That's barely half the figure Cheney used." |
The IRS Databook for 2003 which has the statistics on the 2002 returns shows the following:
Partnership returns (today you will find a lot of LLPs which file Partnership returns. Either a traditional Partnership or a LLP, they are both taxed on the individual return) In 2002 there were 2,271,755 Partnership returns filed in the US.
Sub S returns - In 2002, there were 3,191,108 Sub S returns filed. That's a total of 5,462,863 returns which flow to the personal returns - small business owners! Maybe Factcheck.org isn't so unbiased? |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:16 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Roon"] | Quote: | Factcheck.org says:
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Sub S returns - In 2002, there were 3,191,108 Sub S returns filed. That's a total of 5,462,863 returns which flow to the personal returns - small business owners! Maybe Factcheck.org isn't so unbiased? |
They are biased..... they list SBVTS facts about kerry as 'false'.....
you should send an email to factcheck with your FACTS !
AND email Bush campaign to update their numbers!!!!! 900,000 is way to low!!! where''d they get their numbers??????
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Roon
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Roon wrote: | | Quote: | Factcheck.org says:
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Sub S returns - In 2002, there were 3,191,108 Sub S returns filed. That's a total of 5,462,863 returns which flow to the personal returns - small business owners! Maybe Factcheck.org isn't so unbiased? |
They are biased..... they list SBVTS facts about kerry as 'false'.....
you should send an email to factcheck with your FACTS !
AND email Bush campaign to update their numbers!!!!! 900,000 is way to low!!! where''d they get their numbers?????? |
You can also consider that every corp and every partnership can have more than one member or partner. So if 3 men and women own a Sub S corp and it makes $600,000. They don't take the money out, but leave it in the corporation for expansion the following year. If they own equal stock, all three would be taxed at the higher rate so that would be affecting 3 taxpayers not 1. So it could actually be higher but then some corporations or partnerships might not have employees. I don't see an easy way to get your arms around those numbers but based on the number of returns filed, even 900,000 seems like a low number to me.
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MissouriVeteransDaughter
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:29 am Post subject: |
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I am watching the debate again as it is being replayed and I was really struck by the question posed by the woman who asked Kerry about WHY he wants to pursue embryonic stem cell research when it has saved no lives, and adult and umbilical stem cells have saved lives. That woman was very brave and, in my opinion, may have posed one of the best questions of the debates thus far! Overall, many of the questions tonight were tougher and more straight-forward than the questions posed by Jim Lehrer...
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| cipher wrote: | On the question of who in the room would be affected by a tax hike on over 200K....Kerry said, "Me, President Bush, and Charlie".
He forgot Thereza was there? |
Before he said that, he said "looking around the room here" (and he scans the people) it appears that it would be ..blah..blah, we three.
Another one of those "you are the common man" type assessments. He could tell just by LOOKING -- I thought that was an elitist insult. I would loved to have asked, right at that moment, "really senator, how so can you tell?" What is it about me that looks like I earn less than $200,000? Hmm-mmm??? (Could you tell just by looking that terezzah earned more than $200,000?) -- what a creep. |
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