SwiftVets.com

dcornutt · PO3 Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 267 Location: Brooklyn, NY

Shawa,
Some of your information is from 2004 and 2005 and those bills were defeated, revised and reintroduced. It's not the same bill.

2nd, what you are expressing is a fear of what "congress" will do/legislate or what congress does. Congress is the one who will or will not introduce those issues and pass it or not. And you have good reason to worry there. We lost majority control of both houses in 06. It's a DNC controlled congress.

And here's the cut to the chase: we have to, at some point, stop loosing, regroup and start making gains again in gov. McCain is the best thing we have that can win. He ain't perfect. And "I" disagree with him, fundamentally, on several issues. But, he "is" going to be the nominee.
And hes a damn site better than the alternative (see above)

coldwarvet · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject:

coldwarvet · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject:

If McCain ends up the nominee, and no other candidate emerges whose beliefs are more in line with my own. And McCain is competitive nationally and in the state of Minnesota. Will I vote for McCain? With all honesty I do not know. I still think the message we send to the RNC not to send us any more RINO’s is more important then winning the election. If McCain does do well they are apt to pat themselves on the back and continue on with this big tent mentality and the drift to the left will continue. No, I think we need a land side defeat before the lessons that need to be learned will be learned.
_________________
Defender of the honor of those in harms way keeping us out of harms way.

"Peace is our Profession"
Strategic Air Command - Motto

USAF 75-79 Security Police

Anker-Klanker · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject:

This election year is a very strange one, and fascinating at the same time...

As I tried to point out in an earlier posting on this thread, the Conservative "cause" seems to be taking a beating this year, and I think Conservatives would do themselves much better by trying to figure out why. (I have my own theories, but that's all they are - theories - and besides it's much better if the Conservative "priesthood" figured it out for themselves, then it will be their idea.)

But if you really think about it, the whole American electorate seems to be following a script of voting for the wrong reasons, or against something.

As a whole Clinton's supporters seem to be voting against Republicans (after 7 years of BDS and MSM pounding). But if one breaks down her core supporters one comes away with a different impression. One of her blocks of supporters is "the elderly" and they are probably supporting her because they've been told that those nasty Republicans are going to take away their entitlements, or, really, their vote is against Conservatives and what they think Conservatives stand for. Another key voting block supporting her are the hispanics, and that support seems to be - also - a vote against Conservatives and what they perceive Conservatives to stand for. The third block is the female vote, which is interesting, because they're really voting for gender (but it's not sexist?), not Hillary.

Obama's supporters - by and large - are, I think, four groups with overlapping preferences or issues. The ultra-liberal, anti-war crowd are, in effect, voting against Republicans. And I think a huge number of Obama's supporters are die-hard Democrats voting against Hillary. Then, there's the almost monolithic black vote who - much like the females voting for Hillary - are voting racial identity (but it's not racist?), not the man. And finally there are those terribly naive voters who are voting for "hope" and "change" without any idea of what those terms mean or whether they are realistic. And again, these naive voters are voting for a feel-good emotion, and not for the man (a variation of the "identity voter"?).

Huckabee supporters? It's hard for me to figure them out. But I'll note that a huge block of his supporters seem to be "identity voters" like many of the Democrats, i.e., they seem to be voting for him because he's an Evangelical. And of course, since McCain has emerged as the leader, many disgruntled Conservatives have voted for him the most recent primaries as a protest against McCain.

When you sum it all up, it seems that just about everybody is voting for "identity politics" or against something or someone; very few are actually voting for someone. So it seems that Conservatives are not the only ones who are disgruntled; they're just among the more vocal.

Theresa Alwood · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject:

Coldwar

I understand your feelings as you well know. I am tired of the GOP expecting us to vote for McCain and the scare tactics that they are using to scare us to vote for McCain. I really despise John McCain. He is a nasty little political machine who has done nothing but been a thorn in the side of republicans. Somehow he is getting the nomination and I am leary about how in the beginning he was almost out of funds and everyone I knew was not supporting John McCain...he was the last man they wanted on the ticket. Of course the MSM played a big role by just promoting John McCain. I am just disgusted with the GOP....I want real candidates with real issues. I could have very easily voted for any GOP candidate other than McCain. I support Fred Thompson and was unimpressed with his lackluster campaign, but he will still my first choice; then I came to Mitt Romney and really came to pull for him. I could have easlily voted for Rudy without blinking an eye. I am not a one issue voter, but with McCain there are more than ONE issue that I disagree with him on. But in the end I do not want Obama pulling the troops out of Iraq and declaring American's can not win against terrorist and we are weak. On that issue alone I will vote for McCain. The other option is a downslide for this country and I can see this country turning to the recessions like era of Jimmy Carter and the huge interest rates, flat economy and downright slide.

I will probably have to get some prozac to go vote that day. But I will never NOT vote because that is not an option for me. That gives the right to complain about the adminstration of Obama does get the Presidency. I can say I voted and he was not whom I voted for.

I am like you. I am tired of voting for the lesser of the two evils. That is how I felt in 2000. 2004 was simple. George Bush all the way. Sad to say that we must decide and I know I have flat our said I did not think I was going to vote for McCain...but in the end I feel I must because the other candidates are not the answer this country needs. Is John McCain..hell no...but better than the option. Crying or Very sad

coldwarvet · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject:

coldwarvet · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject:

dcornutt · PO3 Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 267 Location: Brooklyn, NY

coldwarvet · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject:

shawa · CNO Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004

dcornutt · PO3 Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 267 Location: Brooklyn, NY

I know a lot of people who say the same things about McCain being a RINO, then suggested they wished their guy, Gulliani, had survived the race. Gulliani? He's THE most liberal out of all of them. They never see it that way. I can point out, Gulliani was very much pro-choice, pro-amnesty and ran a refuge state where police, etc., could not inquire about someones status, implimented the strictest guncontrol laws of any state/city in the nation, etc., etc., It didn't really seem to matter to them. For whatever reason, those things never connected with them. So, obviously, it wasn't really about the issues. It was personal.

A further example would be Huckabee who, while religious and appeals to the evangilist side of things, is a tax and spend liberal —considering his governing/taxation record from AK. He's also been rather wishy washy on defense/foreign policy issues compared to others. It would seem to me, that the problem here is that there was no 1 person/candidate who hit all the right spots of where they were most conservative vs what kind of candidate we need to even be electable in this environment. Most of them were tough enough on defense. No problem there. But, on social and religious issues, each one of them hit different touchpoints—or not. Together, they all represent all the various touchpoints of what conservatives are looking for. But, individually, each one is flawed in some way. I've heard/seen the same kind of comments from Tompson supporters, Gulliani supporters, you name it.

Deciding which one of these imperfect candidates should go forward, for all practical purposes, has already been done by process of voting and elmination. So, for me anyway, the point is to look at things from the perspective of moving on from there. If one of the criticisms of McCain is that he can be influenced, then we should all take heart that if some people in the RNC start to talk to him in earnest, perhaps he can be persueded on issues that are important to you? I think that's a much better tact than demonizing him by distorting his record and smearing him personally at this point...given that he "is" going to be the nominee. And I feel certain in saying the chances that the next POTUS will listen to conservative issues and concerns and take them to heart will be MUCH greater with McCain than they would be with Obama or Billary.

coldwarvet · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject:

Theresa Alwood · Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:

Cold war

I appreciate your comments and support you in whatever you feel you must. I truly do understand because I feel the same way.

I also know that when Bush Sr reran I could not vote for him and opted for Ross Perot. I know...sounds crazy but could not support the "no new taxes lie". I also thought Bob Dole was too old to run and opted once again to vote for Ross Perot. So that is why I will suck it up and I hate to say it..vote for McCain. I at least can say I did not vote for Bill Clinton, but I also did not vote for the GOP causing us to loose the election. So from personal experience I will "suck it up for the team" and I really hate doing such a thing because I just really despise John McCain but I can not give my vote to Obama or Hillary.

But please understand I support you and you need to do what you feel is best for you. I consider writing in either Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney...but I really, really do not want 4 years of the opposite side especially since they control congress and we have republicans retiring or dropping out all over the place.

I am sadden by this country's turning away from God and individual rights. Our country was unique and special in t he way we held firm to our belief's but that no longer seems to be the case. We were once proud to be American's and loved to say I am an American.

I do know this. Both of my kids will vote in the next election. My daughter will turn 18 in April and she is voting GOP and my son did vote for Mitt Romney in the primary. So there is hope out there for our next generation. It all falls onto us and to keep the candle burning and our hope up. November is a long way off and much can happen between then and now.

dcornutt · PO3 Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 267 Location: Brooklyn, NY

I wanted to seperate this out for benefit of clarity:

I believe to say he opposed Tax Cuts is a complete distortion of his position put forward for it's political impact, as well as by those who were on the recieving end of John's efforts in reducing spending in gov. He intends to make those tax cuts permanent. But, he also intends to veto their pork. And force them to cut spending and be more fiscally responsible.

John opposed that "bill" because it was plied with pork and contained nothing in it that would reduce or cap spending. And it doesn't take an economics degree to understand why reductions in taxes while increasing gov spending and pork isn't a good thing.

dcornutt · PO3 Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 267 Location: Brooklyn, NY

Huckabee, has a very liberal tax and spend record as Gov of Arkansas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4

Thompson (who btw, I liked too), for whatever reason, just didn't seem to be interested in campaigning. Disitnerested was about as close as he got to voters. But, he probably was more down the line of what some people were looking for.

He washed out early...and has endorsed McCain. I would also add: it seemed apparent to me that Tompson didn't like Romney much either and saved some of his sharpest barbs during the campaign for him.