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kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

Thanks again to everyone supporting the effort.

We have determined that Fox was the source for the live feed to the networks. Fox probably had several cameras at several angles and the still shot came from a different camera angle than what was actually shown live to us watching the debate on Fox.

We already have confirmation from azpatiot that his fox tape of the debate shows Kerry taking that black pen out later in the debate. It is very important to have at least a second or third confirmation of this.

I need anyone who has a video copy of the debate shown 'live' on fox to please check as soon as you can to see if you can find the exact time when Kerry reaches into his pocket for the second time to take out that black pen.

None of the other 'versions' shown by other networks or on the internet are important anymore. Just the fox version. I am going to call around and see if I can find family or friends who might have taped the debate on Fox.

You all are wonderful, thank you.
Kimberly

bk_mo · Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:36 pm Post subject: Debate in Miami

http://www.miami.edu/debate04/download.html

I'm unable to open downloadable pages at work.
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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

Did you check the library Kimberly?

kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

Paul R. · PO3 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 273 Location: Illinois

Kimberly,

I have a pretty good tape, off Fox. VHS at SP speed on a medium grade tape, made on a good VCR, source = Direct TV. Kerry does definitely take something out of his pocket right there at the beginning, but although I don't "see" a "pen" at that point, I also don't think it is conclusive. Bush appears to be messing with a pen in his hand after he gets to his podium, maybe writes something down. Kerry puts his object up on his podium & messes with it, too, but, again, what I see is not conclusive. I tried stepping through it single-frame, but that doesn't help much. The tape is pretty clear, but it's just not zoomed in quite enough. Too bad it's not HDTV!

I was kinda wanting to watch the whole thing again, plus some stuff on the oil for food, er, missiles scandal I'd taped afterward. But if you really want to view it, I could send it to you as long as I'd get it back. (My other VCR is down, so I can't make a dub for myself.)
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kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

Hi Paul,

Thank you so much for replying to my request.

We have a tape of the fox version that shows Kerry reaching into his pocket a second time, sometime AFTER he pulls out the paper in the beginning, I just don't know exactly when it happened, but I know he saw it.

I don't think it will be necessary for you to mail me your tape unless you can find the same thing on yours. I'm just looking for another tape that shows Kerry 'cheating', if you will, that second time. We have one person with a fox tape that shows this, but I thought, since the whole incident had become sort of a joke on tv, that I might need two tapes as 'evidence', and maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway, time is of the essence and it may already be too late as it seems interest has wained on this issue, but I would really appreciate you checking your tape for me. I still have one other person who may be checking as well.

Thank you so much for helping me out.

Kimberly

kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

Roon · PO2 Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 393 Location: Lilburn, GA

On the Dr. Phil interview with Kerry, he said something which made me think of pocketgate. He said his daughter came home from school and someone had told her about the birds and the bees. He said he pulled a piece of cardboard out of his shirt pocket and began immediately drawing diagrams. I'm assuming he meant an index card which makes me think he keeps one there for notes and such and that it was probably exactly what he pulled out of his pocket (this one had notes already on it though.)

kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

Paul R. · PO3 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 273 Location: Illinois

Kimberly,

I am out of town today -- will check the tape tomorrow when I get back in.
What you are looking for is about 40 minutes into the debate, right? (My VCR has a real time counter, so that will help me know where to look.)
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kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

Wynne · Lieutenant Joined: 19 Sep 2004 Posts: 228

kimberly, sorry it has taken me so long but I have finally reviewed the entire tape of the 1st debate I made, watching FOX. At no time do I see Kerry take a pen out of his pocket. At no time do I see Kerry use any pen but the white Bic provided. As I've posted before, I do see him take a white paper out of his pocket at the very beginning, when he walks to the lectern, then he puts it down on the lectern and unfolds it. He picks up the pen that is already there on the lectern, uncaps it and appears to mark something off and that is the same pen he uses throughout. That is what I see. If you want to PM me with your snail mail address, I'll be glad to mail you the tape.
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