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[Fabius Cunctator]

[jataylor11]

[kmudd]

[Rdtf]

[joeshero]

[Steve Z]

I was browsing the "Comments" section on the RealClearPolitics.com site after the debate. Most commenters thought that Bush won the debate, but I was particularly struck by the comments of three gay posters who were outraged by Kerry's mentioning of Cheney's lesbian daughter that they are changing their votes from Kerry to either Bush or Nader.

Kerry might have committed a major blunder there. Edwards might have gotten away with it, because he was debating Cheney, whose own daughter is lesbian, but Kerry was debating Bush, who does not have any gays in his family. After all, Bush had just said that he "didn't know" whether homosexuality is a choice, that we should be "tolerant" to homosexuals, but "respect the sanctity of marriage as a man and a woman" on principle, and favored a Constitutional Amendment so that JUDGES don't re-define marriage.

It seemed like Kerry had rehearsed a rebuttal for something Kerry anticipated Bush would say, which Bush never said, and it came across a tasteless and gratuitous personal attack. E. D. Hill was really grilling a Kerry spokeswoman about this on Fox&Friends, this morning, and she sounded outraged!

Kerry also said about Mary Cheney:

"And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

Has Kerry actually asked Mary Cheney whether she thinks she was BORN lesbian, or whether she became that way by choice? Is it possible that Mary Cheney chose to be a lesbian, but chooses NOT to "marry" her partner?

Kerry also blundered further by bringing God into it:

"And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands or vice versa when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them."

People of faith will read in the Bible that "God created them male and female", and wonder how Kerry managed to change God's mind. But then again, Edwards can make the lame walk... But at least Bush acknowledges that God is a "higher power" than himself, and "prays for wisdom" whereas Kerry and Edwards believe themselves to know God's will.
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The traitor will crater!

[noc]

I thought this little tidbit was interesting from Fred Barnes article:

Now here's a strange twist on the debate. Bush was the winner in a focus group of uncommitted voters conducted by pollster Frank Luntz last night. The 23 voters thought Kerry, not Bush, won the debate. But they split 17 to 5 in favor of Bush on whom they now plan to vote for (one will vote Libertarian). "They still don't trust what John Kerry is saying," Luntz said, though they thought he said it well.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/778kctvv.asp?pg=1

So the question is NOT who won the debate, but who are you now voting for? This is what makes Bush the hands down winner last night.

I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned the immigration question. I was glad to hear Bush say that he would not support amnesty for illegals. Kerry tried to dodge the whole question. I think this is still a very important issue for many voters. Too bad it has become another third rail.

[Paul R.]

Fox had on a couple libs this morning. I didn't catch their names, one was from WaPo. Said people would think Bush was more of a straight talker, but Kerry more of an intellectual authority, and people would go for Kerry based on that sort of "authority" / "command presence" / "in control".

OMG, if that is true the country is doomed. But, these jokers thought Reagan was dumb, too. Not to mention that to at least one non-politically oriented person (my wife), Kerry comes off as pompous and arrogant.

Luckily for our country, most people don't think like intellectual snobs from WAPO & NYT!!! (I hope!)

Too bad people can't see a clip I saw of Bush a while back where they are supposed to be leaving some place and he says to Dick Cheney: (paraphrasal) "C'mon Vice, let's go." Not irritated, not arrogant... just... commanding. I can see why most of the military / ex-military like Bush, even though I'm not military myself.
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Paul R.

[homesteader]

Have been totally out of the loop since just before the debate. I have not read this thread yet but see the total "but"s. Round me up to $50.00. It is on its way.

Thanks all for the prayer and great commentary.

[susanlprince]

[Anker-Klanker]

[neverforget]

I respect nothing, and I mean nothing, Kerry says, nor will I ever. His eyes and face had the look of an evil snake when he started to talk about the Cheney's daughter. Other times, he just looked like an evil liar.
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[Paul R.]

A-K,

[Paul R.]

Ya' know... this might be a good e-mail to send to friends you think might be undecided.

Election rule #1:

Which candidate says "trust me" the most loudly?

Vote for the other guy.
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Paul R.

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