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igor · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 81

Unrelated, but I found this quote at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/21/politics/campaign/21DISC.html?ex=1397880000&en=b748e22fe9e25775&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND, in which the Kerry campaign says that they don't have an after action report for the 1st Purple Heart...

homesteader · PO3 Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 294 Location: wisconsin

We can not wait for the OIM to pick it up. Their hand must be forced as it was on the CBS documents. An objective is to get it into the joke monologues of Leno and Letterman. It has to become axiomatic that Kerry wrote his own report card.

cipher · Vice Admiral Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902

BenDeR · Lt.Jg. Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 103

NavyChief - you have found something MAJOR, but how can this be distilled down to a statement of EVIDENCE that can be broadcast?
"COMNAVFORV", "Time of Receipt", etc. will just confuse reporters with no familarity with these terms. I think you have found evidence of fraud, but how can it be conveyed in a fashion that is easily understood?
No pressure of course. Wink

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NavyChief · Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:26 am Post subject:

Be patient mon amis...

There are a couple of other pieces to the puzzle to which will be brought to light later in the week.

- Chief

hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

Week?? WEEK?? Did you say WEEK???? Oh may Chief you are a terrible tease....terrible, absolutely terrible. Where is the rubber room?? Smile

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yosemitesam

Several years ago I helped a friend find after action reports from the two Special Forces camps her dad served in as a medic. I was really surprised to find the level of completeness of these records. There were monthly OPSUMs, various logs, Medical Reports, Fire Plans, Aerial Photos as well as photos of key team and local personnel. Has anyone gone to the Archives and tried to find the original documents? The Archieve is located about a mile Notrh West of the University of Maryland in College Park Maryland. Some Swiftee who knows what to look for can probably locate whatever is available with a two or three day advance phone call and an all day visit. Good hunting.
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cipher · Vice Admiral Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902

Not only have the National Archives been searched, by the Navy Archives in DC, and the Vietnam archives in Texas.

There are THOUSANDS of documents involved in this research effort, and hundreds of manhours by the SBVT and volunteers.

Not that ALL the stones have been turned over, but a LOT of them have been.

Much of the supporting documentation in UFC is out of the National Archives.
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yosemitesam · Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:57 am Post subject: Thanks cipher

Thanks for the update. I have been off the forum for awhile and stumbled on the document post. Just wanted to be sure you guys had it covered.
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cipher · Vice Admiral Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902

There's a ton of stuff. Much of it is stored off-site. You can check the R&R section for details, or use the search engine and dig up the pdfs.
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fanningp · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 89

It would be NICE if a press release or if the talking heads could get ahold of this BEFORE the debates....that would be sweet....yeah....that would......
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cipher · Vice Admiral Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902

I highly doubt vietnam is going to even come up in the debates, UNLESS Kerry messes up and says, "Back when I was in Vietnam...."

But I think his handlers are going to ensure he doesn't make that mistake. Once he opens that door, he's doomed, and he KNOWS it.

Better than anyone, I daresay.
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fanningp · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 89

No....I agree....but....it would be interesting to watch and see if it would add addtional beads of sweat and wear on the candidate for CIC.
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gia_lin_fo · Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:04 pm Post subject:

The Kerry kamp (sp intentional) will say that KJW being immaterial proves that "Unfit for Command" lied, since, O'Neill stated the they were the initials for jFraudk. I love the way the Kerry site Top 10 Latest Lies From the “Swift Boat Vets For Bush” lists the "lie" and the source of the truth as "NYT, 8/20/04" without providing a link to the whole article to view the entire context and who is source of the quoted text. Never mind that the "truth" seems to have any relevance to the "lie." Reminds me of the Soviet disinformation tactic of placing and item in a western press and sighting it as the source of a truth. I digress.

Given that Thurlow does not admit to sending the after action report and that Kerry does admit, round about, to sending some, if not this one, how would you counter that TE was not a typo missing the C? Who ascertains that it was a TE and not the CTE who made out the report? What is the significance of the line following "Market Time":

1. (U) CTE 194.5.4.4

Have any of the individuals listed in the casualty list made any statements on these events?
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