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[PhantomSgt]

I think we need to put Chuck Norris on this case folks.

The Muslims are moving battalions across our borders and plotting something really big. I don’t think these guys were crossing to pick fruit or cut grass. Obviously our visa checks are working overseas and they need to hop the Coyote Express into the USA. So if our Border Patrol intercepts one-half of one percent of border jumpers, how many illegal Muslims on a Jihad have made it across to live down the street from you? Thousands maybe? These are pretty sobering statistics my friends. An Army willing to participate in Jihad on US soil may already be in place and plotting their strategy.

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Independent that leans right of center.

[Truegrit]

I did research on immigration law enforcement back in the early 80's, and wrote a book, "In Liberty's Shadow: Illegal Aliens and Immigration Law Enforcement." Although 20 years have passed, the situation today is much as I described it back then. Our very extensive constitutional protections make it hard to effectively enforce our borders. You cannot deploy the military on the southern border without training them in Spanish (required for all Border Patrol agents) and teaching them constitutional law, and also the very complex immigration law statutes. They would have to know how to deal with false claims to green card status, false claims to U.S. citizenship, and how to break them in the field.

I advocated restarting the guest worker program in 1983. Nobody in Congress would listen. They went for employer sanctions instead, which turned out to be unenforceable. Employers don't know how to spot fraudulent I.D. and there aren't enough agents to go around to every workplace in America to do detailed status checks.

We will not have serious border control until a nuclear device is detonated in an American city.

Edwin Harwood (a.k.a. TrueGrit)
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Enlisted, U.S. Army ('57-'60)

[Truegrit]

I did research on immigration law enforcement back in the early 80's, and wrote a book, "In Liberty's Shadow: Illegal Aliens and Immigration Law Enforcement." Although 20 years have passed, the situation today is much as I described it back then. Our very extensive constitutional protections make it hard to effectively enforce our borders. You cannot simply deploy the military on the southern border without training them in Spanish (required for all Border Patrol agents) and teaching them constitutional law, and also the very complex immigration law statutes. They would have to know how to deal with false claims to green card status, false claims to U.S. citizenship, and how to break them in the field.

I advocated restarting the guest worker program in 1983. Nobody in Congress would listen. They went for employer sanctions instead, which turned out to be unenforceable. Employers don't know how to spot fraudulent I.D. and there aren't enough agents to go around to every workplace in America to do detailed status checks.

We will not have serious border control until -- God forbid -- a nuclear device is detonated in an American city. I am afraid that that is what it may take, at which point constitutional niceties will go by the wayside.

Edwin Harwood (a.k.a. TrueGrit)
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Ted Harwood, Ph.D.
Enlisted, U.S. Army ('57-'60)

[PhantomSgt]

[PhantomSgt]

[Doc Farmer]

[PhantomSgt]

[highwayman]

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You know Doc, to tell you the truth, after years of listening to these shrill spew their venom; I believe I have lost the ability to hear what they are saying. I can see their lips moving, but I just don’t hear anything coming out.

Got KoolAid?


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i seriously doupt the bleeding heart knee jerk liberals know what they are saying either...

btw i went back and reviewed what i posted earlier on this thread and i misspoken and was a bit argumentative...and the attitude was out of line...

[PhantomSgt]

[PhantomSgt]

OK Folks we have a reprieve from our deadline and can keep this going a while longer while the President runs a complete background investigation on his next nominee for Secretary of Homeland Security. I’m sure the next one could pass a background check for a license to run a daycare center and a hails from a life so clean, he will have “The Christian Coalition, Seal of Approval” stamped on his forehead.

Was that heads I saw rolling on the South Lawn of the White House? Come on WH Staff, your job is to protect the President as much as the Secret Service. Watch his back!


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Independent that leans right of center.

[PhantomSgt]

Rise dead topic!
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[SBD]

Maybe this will liven things up a bit. Let's keep rewarding the law breakers so they can extort more of our money!!

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http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-beating17dec17,1,7569164.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

Worker Settles Suit for $77,000
By Lance Pugmire
Times Staff Writer

December 17, 2004

An undocumented worker from Mexico who accused a Riverside County sheriff's deputy of abuse received a $77,000 settlement from the county, and in return dropped his federal lawsuit.

The settlement for Francisco Padilla, 19, was completed in early November but announced this week.

In an videotaped confrontation in the avocado-covered hills above Temecula in April 2003, Padilla was seen being punched in the face by Riverside County sheriff's deputy Alexander Todd. The incident occurred after Todd stopped Padilla for driving with an obstructed windshield. Padilla was later deported to Mexico. He returned to the United States this year but was arrested and deported again.

"[Padilla] is happy with the amount," said his attorney, Luis Carrillo. "This case sends a message that if you are an undocumented worker, there is justice for you — a remedy available if your civil rights are violated. I would hope the deputies in Riverside County would stop these types of actions. If they don't, I'll file additional claims."

An investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice this year concluded that the deputy did not violate Padilla's civil rights.

Carrillo and law partner Gregory Moreno alleged in Padilla's lawsuit that sheriff's deputies "routinely harass Latinos" around the farming areas next to Temecula, Murrieta and Lake Elsinore.

"The farmworkers say these stops and deportations happen a lot," Carrillo said.

Riverside County Sheriff Bob Doyle declined to comment on the settlement, but previously has said his deputies were not instructed "to do the Border Patrol's job."

John M. Porter, the attorney who represented Riverside County in the case, said the settlement was encouraged by U.S. Magistrate Judge Suzanne H. Segal, and that it includes no admission of wrongdoing by the county.

"It's just a settlement of a civil claim motivated by economic concerns, such as the cost of the case and the cost of losing a jury verdict," Porter said. "[Padilla] made a claim and there was a videotape that was possibly shocking to jurors, but Mr. Padilla received no injuries after getting smacked in the face, and he later described Deputy Todd as 'a good cop.' "

Porter described Carrillo's racial profiling accusation as "absurd," noting that Todd routinely patrolled an area in which "90% of the people are Hispanic."

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[tony54]

They (politically correct) call them UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS, if they illigally come up from Mexico, but if an UNDOCUMENTED PERSON were to get off a plane illigally at Kennedy Airport from Europe, Russia, Middle East, Korea, Japan they would be detained and sent right back, wether they wanted to work or not.

And now the illigal alien who broke the law to get here, gets to sue us and get more money then he would earn in Mexico in 20 years.

SURE SEEMS FAIR TO ME!

[PhantomSgt]

The Honorable Senate supporting National Security once again.



Senate, Enviros Blocking Nat'l Security Fence

With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Sunday, Dec. 26, 2004 2:34 p.m. EST

Succumbing to pressure from the environmental lobby, the U.S. Senate is blocking legislation already passed by the House that would erect an impenetrable national security fence across the U.S.-Mexican border.

First proposed by Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., way back in 1996, the new border fence was supposed to be an improvement on a temporary structure that was already credited with substantial success.

"The old fence, 14 miles of salvaged metal, was a stopgap measure to block the favorite path of Mexican drug smugglers and illegal aliens," reported CNN on Friday. "It worked. Illegal traffic dropped dramatically."

This past fall, the House voted to add a 150-foot corridor with a patrol road along the border and a second fence inside the border. Also included: a provision to waive any environmental law that stood in the way in the interest of national security.

The Senate, however, wouldn't go along, CNN said.

Environmentalists are "digging in" over their concerns that the fence would be harmful to endangered species of plants and birds, and would disrupt Indian artifacts, such as seashell fragments.

Hunter aide Gary Becks told CNN that because of politically motivated delaying tactics, it's taken "more time to build this 14 miles of fence than it did to win World War II."

But Greg Abbott, a spokesman for California's Parks & Recreation Department, complained that the border fence would devastate a unique ecosystem.

"To have a little mesa this distance from the ocean with this sandy bay point soil is extremely rare," Abbott told CNN. "There's a whole little plant community to the West here that you won't find anywhere else in the United States."

Meanwhile, California's southern border remains vulnerable to al Qaida terrorists; who when captured, have told U.S. interrogators they intend to exploit lax border security to smuggle a nuclear bomb into the country.

We need to obtain a list of those Senators who voted against this legislation and send them to the same election loss Hades as John Kerry.

God help us when a plant stands in the way of protecting mankind from terrorists infiltrating our borders. God save the protectors of Seashell Fragments




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[SBD]

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Bush Faces GOP Fight Over Guest Workers
NewsMax.com Wires
Monday, Dec. 27, 2004

WASHINGTON – President Bush faces a major rebellion within his own party if he follows through on a promise to push legislation that would offer millions of illegal immigrants a path to U.S. citizenship.

Almost no issue divides Republicans as deeply. To get the guest-worker initiative through Congress, Bush will need to go against the wishes of many Republicans and forge bipartisan alliances. That's what then-President Bill Clinton did in 1993 to win approval for a free trade agreement with Mexico and Canada, over objections of a large bloc of congressional Democrats.
The chance seems slim for finding common ground between those in favor of liberalized immigration laws - Bush, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, for example - and those who want fewer immigrants, tougher border controls and harsher penalties.

Opposition is strongest among House Republicans.

Rep. Tancredo: Division 'Growing Deeper'

``In our party, this is a deep division that is growing deeper every minute,'' says Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. He heads a group of 70 lawmakers who are against easing immigration laws.

Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is ``a pig with lipstick'' and will not pass.

Bush asserts that he won valuable ``political capital'' in the election and intends to spend it. It is not clear how much of that he is willing to spend on the immigration measure.

Higher on his list of priorities is overhauling Social Security, rewriting the tax laws, limiting lawsuit judgments, and making his first-term tax cuts permanent.

An estimated 10 million people live in the United States illegally; the vast majority are from Mexico, with an additional million arriving every year.

A hint of the trouble ahead for Bush on immigration came this month when proposals to tighten, not ease, border restrictions nearly undermined a bill to restructure U.S. intelligence agencies.

Rep. Sensenbrenner Pushes for Reform

The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee wanted the measure to bar states from giving a driver's license to illegal immigrants. Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., said some of the Sept. 11 hijackers gained access to U.S. aircraft by using a driver's license as identification.

Sensenbrenner ultimately backed down, but only after House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., promised that the chairman's proposal would be considered in separate legislation in 2005.

Hastert also indicated that he would not move ahead on major legislation unless it was supported by a majority of Republicans in the GOP-controlled House and that he would not rely on Democrat support to pass a bill.

Immigration overhaul is ``an issue that splits both parties, and given the new Hastert rule, may never go anywhere,'' said William A. Niskanen, chairman of the libertarian Cato Institute. Niskanen was a member of President Ronald Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers.

The president's plan would grant temporary-worker status, for three years to six years, to millions of undocumented workers. It also would it easier for those workers to get permanent U.S. citizenship.

As governor of Texas, Bush was committed to immigration changes. As president, he came close to making a deal with Mexican President Vicente Fox in the days before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Those plans were put on hold as tighter borders took on a higher priority for the United States.

As a presidential candidate, both in 2000 and 2004, Bush eagerly courted Hispanics, the fastest-growing ethnic group in the electorate.

``We will keep working to make this nation a welcoming place for Hispanic people, a land of opportunity para todos [for all] who live here in America,'' Bush told League of United Latin American Citizens last summer.

Bush claimed 35 percent of Hispanic voters in 2000 and at least 40 percent last Nov. 2, according to exit polls. That compares with the 21 percent won by Bob Dole in 1996 and the 25 percent that Bush's father got in 1992.

Republican consultants suggest Bush will not make a big push for his immigration bill until he has achieved his goals on Social Security and the tax laws. They also say the president may jettison the immigration bill if it would jeopardize other parts of his agenda.

Inside the administration, nobody is suggesting that passing the immigration plan would be anything other than extremely difficult.

``We don't want to overpromise,'' Secretary of State Colin Powell said during a visit last month to Mexico City.


At least someone seems to be listening!!

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