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Tom Poole
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: | | Try the headquarters: |
Thanks Beatrice1000, that worked. Dumb ol' me, I tried a "/register" and "/registration" but neither worked and I gave up. As a friendly suggestion, they might include a sentence in their FAQ section on how to register or have a link on their login page.
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Mother
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Kate wrote:
| Quote: | So Kerry is doing an European trip in advance of GWB, what does he think he's doing? Laying groundwork for Bush's trip? Influence the European leaders before Bush gets there!? More like undermine Bush
Someone tell Kerry he lost the election.... |
I thought that was what SW was all about. Why are you quietly fading into the night as per a post in another topic? A battle won, but the war's not over.
Will somebody please enlighten me.
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Beatrice1000
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Here’s a photo with troops in Baghdad I hadn’t seen before -- looks like he’s telling them all about fighting a war and how to win, dontcha think? (Tom Poole: Here’s another one for your “trend list” ....)
Oliphant’s idiotic lecture: (note, he has some new key terms: “Kerryism” - “Kerry-think”)
| Quote: | ** “Kerryism’s comeback on Iraq,” Oliphant/Globe, 1/11/05 **
ONE OF the major questions President Bush is facing about Iraq is how long he wants to take to get cracking on John Kerry's ideas for dealing with the mess Bush made. In the end, all that matters is how long we are supposed to wait -- and how many Americans and Iraqis will die -- until it is recognized that all roads to a decent outcome lead through other foreign capitals, the United Nations, and some form of indigenous Iraqi security force that is seen as politically legitimate. .... Now, amid chaos and carnage, Kerry's thinking lives on. Hopefully, he is preparing to develop it further as he travels in the region. ... In his own version of Kerry-think, Scowcroft warned of "incipient civil war" after this month's elections and said the Bush administration should warn of a US pullout in order to draw others in. Other experts think a timetable for a beginning of withdrawal is essential. ......... |
| Quote: | ** “Come home, John,” Boston Herald, 12/11/04 **
....We're not surprised or dismayed that Kerry is continuing his longtime emphasis on foreign affairs. But he ought to tread carefully during his planned Middle East trip. Certainly, playing Bush critic-in-chief on Iraqi soil as that country readies its first democratic elections is way out of bounds. .... But it would be wise if Kerry started making the rounds - visiting local chambers of commerce, for example, as he settles back into the day job. .... And there's a lesson in that for Kerry, who has a once in a career opportunity to reshape a rather anemic legacy after nearly two decades in the Senate. He ought not waste it. |
Good - hope he gets in deep trouble at home - this is a little shot across the bow.
India Daily is impressed with Kerry’s “influential” trip:
| Quote: | ** “Kerry influencing Iraqis to vote -- Egyptians act,” 1/13/05 **
Grand Sheikh Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, head of Egypt's revered Sunni Muslim Al-Azhar University, encouraged all Iraqis to vote in Jan. 30's national election. Tantawi had previously opposed the election. His comments came during a meeting with former U.S. Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. |
| Quote: | ** “Kerry Tries to Improve U.S.-France Ties,” Elaine Ganley, AP, 1/14/05 **
PARIS: ... In a more than 45-minute meeting with President Jacques Chirac, the former presidential candidate discussed frayed relations between France & the U.S. ..... "Succeeding in Iraq and winning the war on terror will take a global effort, & I have conveyed that in my meetings with heads of state in the Middle East and Europe," Kerry said in a statement. ... "This has been a good trip. It was very important for me personally to thank our brave men and women in uniform for their service and assess the situation in Iraq," said Kerry..... Kerry, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, forecast a meeting between Chirac and Bush. "I hope President Bush will have an opportunity to meet the president," he told reporters. "I'm confident that will happen, not just the meeting but the movement in the right direction." ..... In a remark that the French would appreciate, Kerry added: "I believe there needs to be a larger political reconciliation, as well as a broader involvement of other countries in decision-making in order to build a greater stability in Iraq." |
| Quote: | ** “Ex-US presidential candidate Kerry wants broader coalition in Iraq,” AFP, 1/14/05 **
LONDON: .... Kerry told reporters after talks in London with British Prime Minister Tony Blair that the Iraq elections at the end of Jan. were "one marker" of stability, but were not the goal themselves. .... "I believe there needs to be a larger political reconciliation, as well as a broader involvement of other countries in decision-making in order to build a greater stability in Iraq," Kerry said. .... The revelation that the US-led coalition had given up the search for weapons of mass destruction (WMD) was one of many things, he said, that confirms what he had been saying throughout the campaign against US President George W. Bush. But he did not want to "re-hash" that, he said. .... |
Didn’t want to “re-hash” the WMD issue, but definitely wanted to bring it up... He’s stated in a couple articles that “elections in Iraq are not the goal” -- They are just “one marker” of stability -- DUH! This is profound....
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| Quote: | | Kate: “So Kerry is doing an European trip in advance of GWB, what does he think he's doing? Laying groundwork for Bush's trip? Influence the European leaders before Bush gets there!? More like undermine Bush. Someone tell Kerry he lost the election.” |
So well put, Kate -- so darn frustrating! He’s also doing an advance on Condi’s behalf -- who is the real advance person for Bush. She’ll have some damage control to deal with in setting forth our ACTUAL foreign policy, but I believe she’s up to the task and I'm looking forward to her getting out and about!
| Quote: | ** “Rice Hoping to Make European Trip Soon,” Barry Schweid, AP, 1/5/05 **
WASHINGTON - Assuming the Senate approves her nomination as secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice hopes to meet with allied leaders in Western Europe in early February, a senior U.S. official said Wednesday. Rice...would make the trip ahead of Bush's visit to Europe. ..... Bush plans to confer with NATO and European leaders in Brussels Feb. 22 and stop in Germany the next day to meet with Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. Then, on Feb. 24, he has a meeting lined up with Russian President Vladimir Putin, also an opponent of the Iraq war, in Slovakia. Bush also is expected to address the European Parliament in Strasbourg, France. The trip will be the president's first abroad after his inauguration for a second term on Jan. 20. |
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Is there a precedent (aside from ’70-71 Paris, kerry & some senators...) for what kerry is doing or is this a FIRST?? I mean a legal precedent: “US policy says this is okay” sort of thing. Has a senator or anyone met with world leaders just prior to an inauguration or at any other time?? Not only scurrying about with his personal agenda, but doing so in time of war? I don’t hear much questioning “out there” about this ridiculous and dangerous posturing, so I am assuming this is just fine and dandy. Perhaps a few of us should get some groups together, pick a spokesperson to be the “voice of America,” and make our rounds visiting the leadership in Europe and the Middle East, too -- doesn’t seem like anyone would mind, would they?
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Mother wrote: | Beatrice wrote: | Quote: | | So Kerry is doing an European trip in advance of GWB, what does he think he's doing? Laying groundwork for Bush's trip? Influence the European leaders before Bush gets there!? More like undermine Bush. Someone tell Kerry he lost the election.... |
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This quote is from Kate. |
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Tom Poole
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: | | Try the headquarters: |
| Tom Poole wrote: | | Thanks Beatrice1000, that worked. |
Oops. I spoke too soon. I received no confirmation email for my registration. After eight hours, I tried to re-register but it said I was already registered. I tried to log in but it said I was not registered. Not a big deal but if CW or Beatrice1000 has influence, I'll try again.
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kate
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Tom Poole wrote: |
Oops. I spoke too soon. I received no confirmation email for my registration. After eight hours, I tried to re-register but it said I was already registered. I tried to log in but it said I was not registered. Not a big deal but if CW or Beatrice1000 has influence, I'll try again. |
in perusing their forum, I noted someone said they had to wait a day for the confirmation email.
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Mother
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Beatrice submitted:
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Kerry & Schroeder met Thursday to discuss conflict in the region, and Schroeder made clear that "peace is not reachable without the USA," a spokesman for the chancellor said on customary condition of anonymity. |
My take is I'd like to interpret this as Shroeder finally having seen the light : )
Kate submitted: | Quote: | | and he held talks yesterday with Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain about a Middle East peace summit Blair is organizing. |
Gee, imagine that, Blair doing a peace summit. Gee, bet Kerry was surprised to find out that Blair and Bush want peace. Would love to have heard the conversation Blair and Bush had after Kerry left.
Beatrice also submitted:
| Quote: | Ex-US presidential candidate Kerry wants broader coalition in Iraq,” AFP, 1/14/05 **
Kerry told reporters after talks in London with British Prime Minister Tony Blair ..."I believe there needs to be a larger political reconciliation, as well as a broader involvement of other countries in decision-making in order to build a greater stability in Iraq," Kerry said. .... |
and Kate's response to this:
that Kerry's goal was to bring it up. I agree. And, I submit that the fool is doesn't even realize he's echoing Bush. Can't pass a class? Copy of the other guy. Seriously, when's the last time he had an original thought, much less one that was good for this country?
Kate quoted Kerry:
| Quote: | | LONDON -- Senator John F. Kerry, concluding a trip to Europe and the Middle East, called yesterday for a broader international coalition to stabilize Iraq, fight terrorism, and breathe new life into the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. |
Again, an original thought, please? Please, Bush has been asking this since day one.
| Quote: | | Kerry's two-day visit to Europe followed a two-week, fact-finding trip across the Middle East |
and continuing a year long absence from the US Senate, he was two years and one election too late for Iraq, Bubba. Better late than never doesn't apply here. Go home John. Go to the farm and play with the sheep. Don't play with us.
| Quote: | | When asked why he had come to Europe, Kerry, a senior member of the Foreign Relations Committee, replied: ''I'm not claiming any mantle, just doing what I've done for 20 years as a senator. |
Yeaaaaaaaaaaah...being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, doing the wrong thing.
| Quote: | | his foreign policy background meant that his opinion will continue to resonate in Europe. |
Really? in Europe! It didn't resonate here well enough to win.
| Quote: | | ...he did articulate a vision about the relationship between America and Europe |
When? Did I miss something??!!
and back to Beatrice for the richest one of them all
| Quote: | | ONE OF the major questions President Bush is facing about Iraq is how long he wants to take to get cracking on John Kerry's ideas for dealing with the mess Bush made |
LMAO I can just see Bush deliberating over this. NOT !!!!
I heard Kerry's going to open an amusement park in Paris, called Fantasy Island. |
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kimberly
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:14 am Post subject: Taking bets? |
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| Anyone have any guesses (I give him 4 weeks tops) on how soon we will see Kerry on a very highly publicized soap box with the same message in 1971 to end the 'war' and bring our troops home from Iraq? My gut is telling me we are going to see a repeat of all that Kerry did back then, protests and all, very soon. His trips to Iraq didn't get much media coverage, and I believe he is looking for a way to get back into the spot light and rally his base. What better way, if he is successful, than to attempt to become a 'hero' for ending the war and bringing our troops home? Kennedy is already setting the stage! |
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| I'd be interested to see if this astonishing and pathetic time warp has been noted by the punditry. Kerry is attached to Kennedy at the hip and the choreography of this leftist mambo is all too familiar. Absolutely disgusting. |
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Beatrice1000
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| Me#1You#10 wrote: | | ... Kerry is attached to Kennedy at the hip and the choreography of this leftist mambo is all too familiar... |
Preparing for kerry’s return:
< Iraq is George Bush's Vietnam: US Senator Kennedy, AFP, 1/16/05 >
"....According to Kennedy, Iraq "is a disaster because it's the a result of blunder after blunder after blunder. And it is George Bush's Vietnam," he insisted. ....
....is the face of the United States part of the liberation and security and the stability in that country, or are we a force that is perceived to be expanding the kind of uncertainty and savagery and revolution that's taking place there?" he asked..."
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I don’t know Senator - Which perception do you believe the enemy would like best?
Which face are you promoting? |
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Mother
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That idiot can't get anything right. It's not George Bush's Vietnam. It's Kerry's Vietnam. Screw all the 180 stuff, does anyone know if there's been any psychologicals on him? There is seriously something wrong with delusional paranoid psychosis.
I am so sorry, Swift Vets. I don't know what to do. |
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kate
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:13 am Post subject: Kerry's Back |
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Kerry has asked for Rummy's resignation in the past, and had a petition on his website. However now that he is back from his visit with the troops in Iraq, he has resurfaced the issue in an email campaign to his supporters
| Quote: | Source: Boston.com
Kerry asks for supporters to sign Rumsfeld recall petition
January 18, 2005
BOSTON -- U.S. Sen. John Kerry has begun circulating an e-mail letter calling for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to be replaced, and includes a link to an online petition asking President Bush to remove him.
Kerry, who recently returned from a Middle East trip that included a visit to Iraq, wrote in the letter "please join me in my call for President Bush to fire Donald Rumsfeld."
"He's the man responsible for the well-being of our troops. He's neglected his duty. He's made excuses. It's time for him to go," Kerry wrote.
The letter, which was paid for by Friends of John Kerry, linked to the petition posted on Kerry's campaign Web site. Kerry, a Democrat, lost to Bush in November's presidential election.
The letter chastised President Bush for recent comments about Iraq, and said that "If you care about restoring our credibility around the world and our credibility with our troops on the ground in Iraq, you've got to start by removing Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense."
It was not immediately how many people, if any, had signed the petition on Tuesday night. A call to a campaign spokesman for Kerry was not immediately returned. |
the email Kerry sent out
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Dear Supporter,
I have just come back from Iraq. After several months consumed by the campaign trail, I wanted to make contact with our soldiers on the ground there. The first thing I want you to know is that, in very difficult circumstances, our brave soldiers are serving America with enormous skill and great courage.
In the Senate, we have a duty during times like these to hold our Defense Department accountable for the well-being of our troops. It's one of the ways that our democracy makes our military the strongest in the world. And I can't tell you how comforting it is as a soldier to know even if you don't have a say over your own situation, the folks back home do.
I knew our soldiers were still facing hold ups getting the equipment they need, but I wanted to see it for myself. American troops deserve the best gear and equipment we can provide. But adequate vehicle armor remains in short supply.
A soldier who spoke up about these problems was told by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, "you have to go to war with the army you have, not the army you want."1 Well, it's been over two years since Rumsfeld planned this war. And whether he has the army he wants or not, he should at least have basic armor for army vehicles.
I'll say this in the Senate, but I'm asking you to add your voice to mine:
"President Bush, for the sake of our troops, replace Rumsfeld now."
http://www.johnkerry.com/replacerumsfeld
More than 500,000 called for Rumsfeld to resign during the presidential campaign. I'm renewing my call now -- please renew yours too, and forward this email to friends to bring them on board. Add your name to mine here, and add your voice to mine by speaking out in your community as I will do in the US Senate for as long as it takes to remove Secretary Rumsfeld from his post:
http://www.johnkerry.com/replacerumsfeld
It's a question of competence. Poor planning at the Pentagon is letting American soldiers down. According to the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director's think tank, Iraq is now providing the next generation of "professionalized" terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, [and] the opportunity for enhancing technical skills."2 Our troops need a capable Secretary of Defense. At the very least, they absolutely need that.
I believe that together, the three million of us who worked together on the campaign can help the troops. We not only have a right to speak out against failed Bush policies: we have a duty to defend this country from a President who refuses to recognize the total inadequacy of his own Defense Secretary. That's how democracy works. And that's why America has worked all these years.
The campaign season is over, but our citizenship continues. I know from personal experience that citizens and Senators standing up for the truth can be a powerful combination. Now, with email and the Web as citizenship tools, we can make ourselves heard even more clearly. And I can't tell you how inspired I am that you and I are using these tools to fight side-by-side for the things we believe in.
One more time: please join me in my call for President Bush to fire Donald Rumsfeld. He's the man responsible for the well-being of our troops. He's neglected his duty. He's made excuses. It's time for him to go.
Add your voice to mine in the Senate in calling for President Bush to replace Rumsfeld today.
http://www.johnkerry.com/replacerumsfeld
Thank you,
John Kerry.
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Mother
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Can a counter petition be filed?
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Tom Poole
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| Silky Pony wrote: | | ...fire Donald Rumsfeld...neglected his duty...still facing hold ups getting the equipment they need...vehicle armor remains in short supply...Poor planning at the Pentagon is letting American soldiers down...Iraq is now providing the next generation of "professionalized" terrorists with "a training ground...total inadequacy of his own Defense Secretary... |
I guess in Silky's sophomoric mind, this is his idea of telling America about the good things happening over there. He really pisses me off more now that he's certified as a loser.
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