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Wing Wiper
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Sevry:
I trust the people on our side, or I wouldn't invest my time here. I'm saying don't formulate our whole case in a non-secure environment, it's not smart. Simple as that. I'll trust the Chief to know that, no more comments. Anything he wants to post and get vetted by myself and others I'm willing to do.
| Quote: | | The Kerry Campaign has been incompetent, to date. |
Don't count on that to continue, they may wise up. No sense in giving them a chance, I want the guy humiliated to the full extent of our ability. If that means I don't get to see the entire case being made until it's presented to the public, I'm willing to wait. See where I'm coming from? I won't state any more on it, I've had my say. I'll accept the decision the rest of you arrive at. |
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sevry
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| Stevie wrote: | | maybe just getting a head start on what to spin.... |
I wouldn't say, spin. I'd say just to get at the truth. The folks on this site are probably not going to be able to decipher every line and every code on these reports. I don't think they've been able to do so, to date. But maybe some experienced communications guys, from that era, could read the documents online and give good lead or categorical on what they mean, particularly in certain details.
I think NavyChief and others have been good at providing perspective, at stepping back a bit and pointing to the relevance of this or that section or document. Without that guidance, someone looking too much at crossed-ts could miss what might be obvious. Again, I think their current efforts are really to be applauded. Some might say it's only the enthusiasm of research and discovery. But I'd say more than that, it's no exaggeration to say that it's above and beyond the call of duty. They're not being shot at, it's true. But the love of their country is the same. And the effort is extraordinary. |
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fanningp
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| sevry wrote: | | The 13 MAR Spot Report, for example, shows a "9559" in the hdr which according to later instructions for such traffic should refer to a filing time. But 9559 isn't a time and NavyChief was pretty sure it was a record count. |
Well let's give Chief some time to absorb everything and whoever has the responsibility to PDF it and rubber stamp and approve it for online posting or whatever then maybe I might be able to lend 2 cents.....
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hanna
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Why would there not be plenty of experts on our side capable of reading and deciphering the documents? Navy Chief to start? This may sound totally civilian, because I am, but the way things are done in the Navy is the way things are done in the Navy.....period, right? And a lot of those on our side lived the Navy.
Anyway, whichever way you all decide to go I am sure will be best. I just hope Stevie has room for me in his rubber room because I do tend to bounce off the walls:) |
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Stevie
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sevry,
the 'spin' I was talking about was the Kerry talking heads.... getting a head start on how to 'spin' the new info that will be coming out...
you know they're already working on how to 'spin' the info that came out yesterday!
We have very competent and capable Navy people on this site who have had years of reading and deciphering these documants.
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hundredpercenter
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SBD
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I hope they find lots of information and release it little by little so Kerry can suffer a slow drawn out pain. I can see him twiddling his thumbs just waiting for the next bomb to drop on a "day to day basis" as all those "seared memories" come back to haunt him. 
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DenisC
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | Just to clarify - it's not a matter of hiding facts. The facts are making their way to pixels everywhere. 
It's a matter of keeping some of the discussion, speculation and comparison of the facts relatively private until the relationship between facts is proven. |
NAVY NAVY NAVY, You said exactly what I should have said.
Thank You,
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sevry
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| Stevie wrote: | sevry,
the 'spin' I was talking about was the Kerry talking heads.... getting a head start on how to 'spin' |
But I addressed that. I said, they haven't been any good, so far. The whole point of getting Kerry to sign 180 was so that everyone could see the documents. So a lot of people were able to break down some of these documents who are not affiliated with the Swift Vets themselves. And these are just the people who will continue to make their decisions based on this, just as it has been, to date. Don't try to change the rules, now. That seems to be what you are suggesting. But I don't know how many others agree with you. Full disclosure. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Stevie wrote: | | II think probably the docs should be put out there and NNN and navychief etc should work on the side to decipher it all. |
Okay, just to clarify - I'm making recommendations that some things be done by private message, which is already taking place. If I see something that I don't think should be here, I PM the person and let them know that they might be showing their hand too early.
Other than that, I have nothing to do with the analysis of the documents. I was never an RM or a CT - I handled message traffic and even prepared a few messages for routing in my stint as "duty driver," but I never got a deep familiarity with the formats.
The heavy lifting is being done by a whole bunch of people a lot smarter than I am.
I'm just trying to direct traffic here on the board and waiting with the same bated breath that many of you are. 
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Wing Wiper
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Navy:
That sounds like a very intelligent way to get the information looked at and and generate feedback and opinions. We don't need to be getting our pockets picked by the opposition. Thanks for listening, I hope I wasn't being a pain in the butt with my concerns. If there are people that took it that way, I apologize, it was something I felt I had to express. I really respect everyone that is here volunteering their time and effort, more than I can express. |
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Stevie
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[quote="sevry"] | Stevie wrote: | | maybe just getting a head start on what to spin.... |
sevry, you wrote: 'I wouldn't say, spin. I'd say just to get at the truth.';
I think we're just crossing wires.... I call what Kerry's people do 'spin' (I was referring to Kerry people in that line) and what we're looking for is the truth.
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FF1047
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:55 pm Post subject: don't worry about spin ... |
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Don't worry about Kerry's folks "spinning" something that is discovered at the Naval Archives. So far the only spin I can see that they've come up with for the book and the ads is:
1) they are liars
2) "in" Cabodia is the same as "near" Cambodia
3) "not my medals"
4) "just relaying what I heard at the Winter Soldier conference"
5) Navy records say "xyz..."
All of these spins have done Kerry more harm than good and have kept the debate alive in the MSM. Since its the truth we all seek, (and I think we all believe the truth will destroy Kerry) allowing the truth out as soon as possible will do no harm. And again I stress that the more eyes on the docs the better the chance that something will be discovered.
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BenDeR
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OK Chief, it's time for another "tease". And if I can help in any way just let me know.
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Misty
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I have storage if you want to use it and post docs from there
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