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Sandra C. · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:37 pm Post subject: Worked on one

I worked on an IBM Selectra for about 18 months in 1986 doing typesetting/layout in a print shop. It was a fine machine before the ease of our computers came along, holding a memory of about 6,000 characters so you could temporarily "store" a job during the proofing process. It put out crisp, clean copy to be used for pasteups and layout for printing.

It was an intricate machine to learn and use. They were expensive, a very used one at that time was about $3,500, a newer used model $7,000-$8,000 and that's in 1986 dollars.

To change the size of the font from 11 or 12 down to 8 to make the "superscript" would have been very difficult and time consuming because once a type size ball was installed, the machine automatically "clunked" to the size of type spacing needed for the letters. When you changed the size ball, it "clunked" again to adjust to the different ball type, and that's why there's a tiny bit of space before and after the "th" on the examples shown where somebody did it using the machine from that time period. And, it's obvious that the person doing the example knew exactly how to do it.

My master, no, slave driver, oops, sorry, BOSS would never allow me to use the time needed to make the delicate adjustments for this, because one never got it right on the first try (and maybe, second), and we all know TIME IS MONEY! She would simply always have me type 111th or 21st or 22nd just as you read them here, and if the customer made an inquiry she would life her chin slightly and and say that that was, really, the PRO-per way to do it. She was about 4'11" and could get away with it every single time.

Also, to center type with this machine was not the easiest thing to do, and things were never really totally and correctly centered. They would do so only if all lines had even or uneven number of characters/numbers.

It was a fine machine, and a big boon right before computers came out, but to use it was not an easy task. One had to change balls for any text in bold, italic, or bold italic, so you had to program your stops in the memory bank in order to change the ball to bold, then another program stop to change the ball back to plain. Time consuming. I realize that bold, italic and bold italic typefaces are not relevant here.

In my humble opinion, what we are looking at was NOT produced in an IBM Selectra. It COULD have been replicated fairly accurately by a master typesetter, and what military office would have one of those?

Tom Poole · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject: ...Fake

It seems to me that if CBS DID NOT conspire, they simply would have apologized in the face of such overwhelming evidence and saved their reputation. But, if CBS DID conspire, an apology would be tantamount to blaming their source and abandoning it to any persecution or prosecution the country chooses. Certainly, the latter would not endear CBS to the source and an unhappy partner in crime is a dangerous one. CBS is up to their eyeballs in this and they cannot afford to do the right thing. Thus, I believe they will stonewall the issue, hoping the truth won't come out until at least after the election.
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azpatriot · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 2:12 pm Post subject:

Another question,

Is it just me or did I hear before that CBS had recieved these documents as a fax?

If so then where is the fax header on the scaned in images?
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Debs · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject:

Tom Poole,

You have absolutely hit the nail on the head as CBS has to stand by its story for exactly the reasons you stated. They've sold their soul out to try to take the President down on these fake memos, and they are hoping to just weather the storm and that their cronies in the MSM will help them out - we cannot allow that to happen as we cannot allow this treachery to stand and not be exposed for what it is.

Debbie
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ASPB · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:40 pm Post subject:

Here's a link to someone who seems to be a "real" professional and not a Bush supporter.

http://www.flounder.com/bush.htm
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I think the final piece of evidence says it all.

Official Britney Spears fan club letter head.

These documents probably are fakes.
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PC · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject: Good work

Beldar --

Good work on Newcomber. That is an excellent presentation.

More importantly, the guy sounds like he's got a pair and could get in someone's face if challenged.

Mona · Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:31 am Post subject:

That Newcomber piece is, bar none, the most definitive indictment yet of the forgeries. It combines funny and biting sarcasm with an impressive (even intimidating) command of the technology involved; his complex (where complexity is unavoidable) arguments are elegantly and clearly stated. He employs anologies to art fraud that enable we non-geeks to better grasp his arguments.A must read.

Best of all, he says that notwithstaning his expertise and overwhelming credentials, it does not require those to know these documents are forgeries. He scathingly declares that any 12-yr-old familiar with MS Word would know it.

Also, he gives a very good -- and longed for -- explanation of the kerning issue. The Rather fakes are NOT kerned. But, they do indiciate a process Newcomber calls "pseudo-kerning" that you cannot achieve with a typewriter. But go and read for yourself. Since LGF, Beldar, Roger Simon and others started linking in the past few hours, good Dr. Newcomb's counter has gone from about 200, to heading over 7,000. Very Happy

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Newcome's counter was 8 when I visited <g>.

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Exponential advertising - it's pegged at straight 8's now. Wink

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debinNC · Ensign Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 51

How in the world can the MSM ignore Dr. Newcomer's bona fides and his facts? I can't imagine any genuine expect challenging his conclusions.

wally626 · Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:21 am Post subject:

Excellent article on the forgories.

I think what most people are refering as kerning is in fact just propotional fonts. True kerning as he said is a little different. I personally generally use the auto kerning features in word and occasional do manual kerning but that is not something anyone would ever do in a memo.

I quess a good question, and one asked before, what if the forger had gone to the trouble of getting an old selectric to type the forgeries on?

I know we just excessed a 1960's vintage Selectric from my office a couple of months ago, there are still plenty around.