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jccooper · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:59 pm Post subject: Doctored Documents

I have noticed some of the documents on the John Kerry web page seem to have some indications of having been doctored or forged. I sent the Bronze Star Citation signed by Secretary of the Navy John Lehmann to FOX news and told them Lehmann was not the Secretary of the Navy until 1981. They downloaded the document and showed it on Brit Hulme.

The 3rd Purple Heart Certificate also indicates that it is the 2nd Purple Heart award and all of them seem to be signed and dated on the same date by the same person. Hmmm.
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jwb7605 · Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Doctored Documents

hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

Could they possibly be that dimb???

SteamSnipe · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:27 am Post subject: Awards out of order

It is readily apparent that all the Purple Hearts were churned out on the same day, as the 3rd Award (second shown on Kerry's web page) cites it is for action 20Feb69, while the last one listed on his web page says "Gold Star in Lieu of Second Award" and cites action 13Mar69. The chronology is wrong. Don't know if that is any signifcance though, could be an admin error.

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J. Toy · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:30 am Post subject:

Interesting web site on the Lehman signature. They somewhat conclude that maybe he re-applied for the medals during Lehman's term after throwing them away.
However, did he throw away the citations with the medals?, ribbons?, or someone else's medals?, as has been the flip flopping story on that so far.

Note the date on the web site, it goes back to April '04.

http://www.terpsboy.com/terpsboyarchives/000373.html
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stealthy · Lieutenant Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 237

Just saw a piece on Fox about this. He got new ones that were for some reason more glowing than the earlier.
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PatS · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:30 am Post subject:

They changed their web site today and altered the Spot Action classified document and the Timeline account of the March 13th incident. If anyone downloaded the originals they can compare them. I saved both versions of the Timeline.

ASPB · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:29 am Post subject:

Write to brit.hume@foxnews.com and let him know what you've found. Attach copies of both versions of the document(s). Please!
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tvaughan · Seaman Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 182

This is just getting weird now.

Documents coming and going off their sight?

Is anyone documenting the time line of documents being up on the sight, and then taken down?

Brit Hume was the only one who covered the new, more flowery language of Senator Kerry's citation, almost two decades after the fact.

It seems that all the documents are being used through Photoshop as well.

This isn't proof of anything, but Photoshop is a really slow way to simply scan a document. They had to be altering them at least a little. Why else use photoshop? I hope they were just doing touch-ups to make them more readable and distribution friendly.

I have to admit, they have been so inept at responding to this my suspicion is on overdrive! If Kerry was telling the truth it wouldn't be this hard to get the truth out!!
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hanna · Rear Admiral Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 701

All he would have to do is sign a 180 which would give the media access to all of his military records, without being filtered through him. He should also release his journal, from which Tour of Duty was written. Simple. He could clear all of this up in less than 24 hours.

But instead of doing that, he provides summaries of documents, no documents at all for some things, and documents that are obviously and even admittedly altered.

I surely hope he does not think that we the public is that stupid

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neverforget · Vice Admiral Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875

His campaign's purpose for putting up documents on the website is to see if they are accepted for awhile, and then if not, they are taken down and re-writes are substituted. Then the changes and inconsistencies cannot be kept track of by most people who don't know how or don't have enough time to maintain a file library of cached web sites. I'm both. This is why no hard copies of original documents are provided to the press; which President Bush did provide.

I think that the following is occurring:

1. Original over-reliance on Kerry's "war diaries" and Brinkley's "Tour of Duty;"
2. Belief in a serial liar;
3. His supporters are believers in totalitarian thought processes and activities, and are willing to do anything to service that cause.