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shawa
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 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject: Thinker wrote."my new word for Kerry'sCampaign...SOPHOM |
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"SOPHOMORIC" IS WHAT HIS FATHER ALWAYS USED AS A PUT-DOWN. SEE ARTICLE BY EVAN THOMAS IN NEWSWEEK AUG.02/2004. HE DESCRIBES KERRYS EARLY YEARS AND HOW HE CoULDN'T PLEASE HIS FATHER. WHEN DISCUSSING WORLD EVENTS AT THE DINNER TABLE, HIS FATHER ALWAYS PUT HIM DOWN FOR HIS "SOPHOMORIC IDEAS"
I think Kerry really has psychological problem an thats why he has to magnify everything he does. Still trying to please his father.
Let"s keep using "SOPHOMORIC" to describe him. Maybe will drive him over the edge. He appears to be cracking up. |
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jack white
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Thinker wrote."my new word for Kerry'sCampaign...SO |
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| shawa wrote: | " I think Kerry really has psychological problem an thats why he has to magnify everything he does. Still trying to please his father.
Let"s keep using "SOPHOMORIC" to describe him. Maybe will drive him over the edge. He appears to be cracking up. |
In all seriousness, this was a very disturbed individual we saw softly ranting and raving and wandering all over the place last night. I may be a bit over the top with the term "psychotic episode," but it wasn't too big of a reach. I wonder what really is in his medical records and evals. |
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The REAL problem here is that if this so-called man were elected the fear for my children and grandchildren will just rise to a level I never thought possible.
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Doc Farmer
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Odd thing.
I've been able to find the text to Kerry's speech in its pre-release form.
But I have yet to find the transcript of what he actually said last night.
I've done several searches, but nobody seems to have this information.
If any of you have found an unexpurgated transcript of Kerry's speech, I'd appreciate a link.
Many thanks.
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Two Tours - Not Even Close |
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| Bob Chamberlain wrote: | | The Legend: John Kerry served not just one, but rather two tours in Vietnam, with the implication being that both tours were in Swift Boats. |
Bob - is your explanation about the "tours of duty" from the Navy's standpoint? (previously here, I had heard some discussion about the meaning of tours/deployment from different services and it was awhile ago and I don't recall the consensus). I'm non-military, so I am totally dependent on all of you in these matters (and, I've loaned out my copy of "Unfit.." so I don't have that resource.) I would like to use this info in emails to get the "2 tours of duty" debunked. He has said this so often, and I have not seen it sufficiently challenged. Maybe someone will talk about it or at least raise the question -- but I want to be sure it will withstand scrutiny.
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Herb
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Thinker wrote."my new word for Kerry'sCampaign...SO |
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| shawa wrote: | "SOPHOMORIC" IS WHAT HIS FATHER ALWAYS USED AS A PUT-DOWN. SEE ARTICLE BY EVAN THOMAS IN NEWSWEEK AUG.02/2004. HE DESCRIBES KERRYS EARLY YEARS AND HOW HE CoULDN'T PLEASE HIS FATHER. WHEN DISCUSSING WORLD EVENTS AT THE DINNER TABLE, HIS FATHER ALWAYS PUT HIM DOWN FOR HIS "SOPHOMORIC IDEAS"
I think Kerry really has psychological problem an thats why he has to magnify everything he does. Still trying to please his father.
Let"s keep using "SOPHOMORIC" to describe him. Maybe will drive him over the edge. He appears to be cracking up. |
That is an amazing insight -- and others should recognize the POWER of pushing such a TRIGGER word on a pathological liar like Kerry.
Where did you find this?
I am reading "Tour of Duty" and found that Kerry had PRIOR, CONSCIOUS knowledge of the effects of the lies he delivered under oath before the Senate and how Hanoi could and would use his words.
We need to keep looking for MORE of this stuff.
The proof of Kerry's conscious prior knowledge of the effect of his words is in "Tour of Duty" pp. 117-124.
In "Tour of Duty" (pp. 117-124) Kerry's attendance at SERE (survival, evasion, resistance, and escape) training is recounted.
At SERE training Kerry was taught (and remembers 35 years later) that even COUNTING PUSH-UPS was dangerous.
Why? Because the enemy would tape record the counting -- then cut the tape to produce exchanges such as "How many people did your men massacre?" "ten-twelve"....
Kerry KNEW that anything he said could be cut this way and played in POW camps in Hanoi.
It was not just an accident that his words were used in the POW camps, Kerry had CONSCIOUS PRIOR KNOWLEDGE of how the lies he offered the Senate committee could and would be used.
KERRY KNEW!!!!
Kerry's folks are fond of claiming that his Senate committee testimony was merely a report of that others said.
This phony defense has little effect, since Kerry clearly gave the testimony in an authoritative manner that made clear his believe in that testimony and in a style that quickly blurred such distinctions.
If you want to know John Kerry read his AUTHORIZED biography
by David Brinkley.
If you want to UNDERSTAND what you are reading in full, then read "Unfit for Command."
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Beatrice1000
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| Doc Farmer wrote: | | But I have yet to find the transcript of what he actually said last night. |
I'm sure someone will find this for you - meanwhile, I was typing while he was talking & grabbed a lot of it but put into a diff thread -- see pg. 1 under "Kerry Critizes Cheney for Avoiding Vietnam War" |
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Beatrice1000
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Also, I find the ending of his speech most extraordinary - when he said that we all remember from his convention when we heard Obama's speech and what he said about one America -- and then he raised his voice with his big point: "And that's what we're gong to have - One America, red, white & blue!! "
I think I sat perfectly still for awhile after I heard that.  |
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shawa
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Herb,
I haven't been able to find an Internet link to the article. I have the hard copy of Newsweek dated August 2, 2004. They did a multiple page special report about Kerry by several different columnists. The one that peaked my interest is by Evan Thomas. It starts on page 30 and is titled, "The Solitary Soldier." I found it a very telling look into why John Kerry is the aloof, strange jerk that he is.
Hope you can find it. Let me know! |
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Herb
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| shawa wrote: | Herb,
I haven't been able to find an Internet link to the article. I have the hard copy of Newsweek dated August 2, 2004. They did a multiple page special report about Kerry by several different columnists. The one that peaked my interest is by Evan Thomas. It starts on page 30 and is titled, "The Solitary Soldier." I found it a very telling look into why John Kerry is the aloof, strange jerk that he is.
Hope you can find it. Let me know! |
I am still reading but this Google search seems to work:
| Code: | | [ "john kerry" "sophomoric" Newsweek ] |
Key was your "Newsweek" reference. If that is too many hits, use this instead: | Code: | | [ "john kerry" "sophomoric" Newsweek "Solitary Soldier" | "Evan Thomas" ] |
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Tony
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Two Tours - Not Even Close |
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| Beatrice1000 wrote: | | Bob Chamberlain wrote: | | The Legend: John Kerry served not just one, but rather two tours in Vietnam, with the implication being that both tours were in Swift Boats. |
Bob - is your explanation about the "tours of duty" from the Navy's standpoint? (previously here, I had heard some discussion about the meaning of tours/deployment from different services and it was awhile ago and I don't recall the consensus). I'm non-military, so I am totally dependent on all of you in these matters (and, I've loaned out my copy of "Unfit.." so I don't have that resource.) I would like to use this info in emails to get the "2 tours of duty" debunked. He has said this so often, and I have not seen it sufficiently challenged. Maybe someone will talk about it or at least raise the question -- but I want to be sure it will withstand scrutiny.
THANKS! |
This is another example of where Kerry stretched the truth maybe just a bit, but is probably accurate (at least in my book). His first ship, USS Gridley, was deployed near Viet Nam for a short time while he was aboard, so he counts this as his first tour. His second tour would be his brief tme aboard the swift boats.
In the Navy - you are assigned to a ship for a 'tour' that lasts anywhere from 18 months to 4 or 5 years (for JOs and some of the enlisted rates). During your assignment, the ship deploys from time to time. For me (a junior officer) - I count two deployments to the Persian Gulf - in 1989 and then again in 90/91 (and several deployments elsewhere - like the North Atlantic). During these deployments (which lasted around 6 months give or take and also involved some time in both the Med and Indian Ocean) my ship went in and out of the Gulf several times. I would never count each trip into the Gulf and would never try to claim that I had served in Kuwait since the closest I came would have been the oil fields in the Northern Gulf. I had a friend in business school who commanded a tank platoon in the army - he served in Kuwait. We both get to wear the SW Asia service medal - but I have no illusions about who did the heavy lifting.
Kerry was briefly in-country on the swifts and on the Gridley would have been in the theater of operations and in some danger (I had a Senior Chief on a destroyer off the coast of Viet Nam who had his ship shot up pretty bad). At the same time - he could be more clear about his "two tours" and where they took place since both of them were very short and only during one of them did he actually set foot in Viet Nam (unless the Gridley made a port call at Cam Rahn bay or something). In my opinion - this sort of borders on hair splitting - it's what he did during and after these tours in Viet Nam that counts for me.
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Herb
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Two Tours - Not Even Close |
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| Tony wrote: | | Kerry was briefly in-country on the swifts and on the Gridley would have been in the theater of operations and in some danger (I had a Senior Chief on a destroyer off the coast of Viet Nam who had his ship shot up pretty bad). At the same time - he could be more clear about his "two tours" and where they took place since both of them were very short and only during one of them did he actually set foot in Viet Nam (unless the Gridley made a port call at Cam Rahn bay or something). In my opinion - this sort of borders on hair splitting - it's what he did during and after these tours in Viet Nam that counts for me. |
I have seen/heard that Kerry was briefly ashore for briefings in Saigon but this would be comparable to a Congressman claiming a tour for visiting briefly.
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Beatrice1000
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Two Tours - Not Even Close |
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| Tony wrote: | | ..This is another example of where Kerry stretched the truth maybe just a bit, but is probably accurate... His first ship, USS Gridley, was deployed near Viet Nam for a short time while he was aboard, so he counts this as his first tour. His second tour would be his brief tme aboard the swift boats. |
Thanks for the info. It might be interesting if a probing host (oh so few and FAR between  ) could put kerry's people on the spot, or him if they ever get the chance, to define his "two tours of duty" -- to query if the time on the ship was a deployment rather than a tour and is there a difference?... I don't know how to get this question out, but he has really made a point about this TWO TOURS and I'd like to see it shaken up.
(by the way -- just now hearing hearing about Clinton in hosp with chest pains -- do you think he saw kerry's "rally" last night??) |
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Mona
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I've resisted depictions of Kerry as being in the throes of some sort of mental illness, but I am beginning to believe it is so. Truly, that he kept invoking Viet Nam again last nite ...deferments, National Guard duty, blah, blah, blah...what CAN he be thinking?
He should be talking about anything and everything EXCEPT Viet Nam. He is giving the Swift Vets and the POWs against Kerry a huge help. Surely the newly imported Clinton staff cannot be pleased by this? Have they not told him to shut the F up about 'Nam?
I'm coming to the conclusion that Magic Hats from CIA operatives in his briefcase, VC the Wonder dog when asked about pets, Xmas in Cambodia & etc. are indicative of a complete inability to leave Viet Nam in the past. He literally cannot stop talking about and embellishing it. Not even to save his campaign.
Simply bizarre.
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Beatrice1000
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Just caught opening minutes of his rally right now (live video on CNN) in Newark, OH --
I can't tell for sure, but it looks like John Glenn speaking. I only heard one sentence in reference to Bush campaign: "A lie told often enough will become the truth and we cannot let that happen."
THEY CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN??? Excuse me!!!
Sorry folks, I can't listen beyond that.... this is just too twisted - |
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