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fortdixlover
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 Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Dr. Jack Wheeler--One Man Could End Kerry Presidency |
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| AZVet61 wrote: | | The question has now become whether a Kerry “victory” at the polls would be more destructive of American democracy than Islamic terrorism. The answer is that it would be greater. Terrorists can destroy physical targets, while a Democrat electoral fraud would destroy basic democratic systems that are the foundation of governmental legitimacy. Such destruction could very well ignite a civil war. |
You know, that last sentence is something that needs to be taken seriously.
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Stevie
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I just emailed the bush site and let them know how disgusted I was with McCain.... and that I didn't think I'd ever vote for him again (don't know that I wver did tho)
I've never heard anyting about the abve posts regarding the Indians out here... but I do think Kerry has something on McCain.... and a lot of other people.... that's why they don't expose him..... cause he'll expose them...
there are an awlful lot of other republican seantors / reps that could be getting it out about Kerry negotiating with the enemy in the 70's and the 80's ! and they could be calling for an investigation into the media - bias. it so lopsided it isn't even funny ! bush doesn't have a chance unless someone bigs spills the beans !
there is a hearing or something set for next week? about the Kerry fundraiser taking money from Iran.... they tried to postpone it until after the election but the judge refused to do it. But who will cover it? no one.
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Ladder Yankee 33
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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John McCain is a POLITICIAN  first and a RINO  second. Unless Providence takes a hand, he will not turn on JF-ingK. IMHO there will have to be a threat to his position and power before he will budge. As long as he gets strokes from the DEM-o-Krats and the RePUBs he will not flip.
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:24 pm Post subject: Who was the 2nd Senator??? |
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Who was the second Senator who voted to destroy the information on
the possible live POW's in asia, ?was it McCain.
Can the POW's on this site or some where detail who McCain was with
at all times. in the 7 or so years.
Any chance that he was with one of "the missing POW's " that did not
come home for a time over there and something happened that no
one including McCain wants to be known.
If one of the "men" who the special invesgators sent to asia to determine
could be there alive in 1992 was someone who could cause trouble
for the "powerful" then it makes it easy to understand why both
Kerry and McCain wanted the "report destoryed" in 1995.
see "all concerned americans" by "powanmias" post this site.
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ArmyMedicsMom
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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From what I have heard, Sinclair Broadcasting is still working on the content of the Stolen Honor documentary. They may play the entire documentary, or only portions with various guests participating, ie POWs, Vietnam Vets, and possibly Kerry.
Based on that premise, this is the email I just sent to John McCain:
A discussion by Sinclair Broadcasting regarding the history of the Vietnam war, POWs, the feeling of the people of the USA and the effects of John Kerrys testamony before congress would be of great interest to me. I would hope that you could participate. My adult children have no real grasp of what was going on during that period of history. I am not very good at explaining it to them. I have mainly sad childhood and teenage memories of Television news programs of the time to draw back on in explaining to them. We lived with the war for years, watched nightly reports from Vietnam. We watched the protest and out cry of United States Citizens from the streets of America. I have carried sad memories with me all these years. The fear I had at the time of the soldiers, who had supposedly done horrible things, stayed with me for a long time. I to was one who looked upon Vietnam Vets as crazy, drug addicted, cruel animals. I feared them. I was confused. As the years have passed, I have realized that I had no clear idea of the truth of the era. In more recent years, I have lived with the shame and guilt of considering an entire group of human beings, defending the freedom of the Vietnamese people and proudly serving the USA, as possible "baby Killer" and monsters. I will carry this with me always.
I want Vietnam Vets to forgive me. I want to Welcome them home, as I Welcomed my son, when he came home from Iraq.
I feel so much shame within my soul.
You say you don't want to open old wounds. Well what about the wounds within our souls that have never healed. |
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Inatizzy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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McCain really is a strange bird. He's all over the map politically. There was a time when he held Kerry in absolute contempt and made no bones about it. But then SOMETHING HAPPENED. Don't know what. But now he's buddy buddy with Kerry and won't speak to the men who shared a room at the Hanoi Hilton with him. Strange indeed. 
There seems to be only two things that could cause that kind of a flip flop.
Political power
Personal concern
Either way, McCain is letting the American people down by not telling what he knows about Kerry and by not exercising his power over this situation.
Personal dirt or power, it's one or the other IMO. |
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2ndamendsis
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Remember, McCain did TALK while a POW. He did make tapes for the purpose of demoralizing his fellow POWs and they did not hold that against him! It may have gone farther than that. It was sooooo easy {no conscience} for him to help Kerry to crush the POW Senate Select committee. His actions in the Senate have always left more questions as to his allegiance?
The below statement is not out of the realm of reality.
| Quote: | The question has now become whether a Kerry “victory” at the polls would be more destructive of American democracy than Islamic terrorism. The answer is that it would be greater. Terrorists can destroy physical targets, while a Democrat electoral fraud would destroy basic democratic systems that are the foundation of governmental legitimacy. Such destruction could very well ignite a civil war.
You know, that last sentence is something that needs to be taken seriously |
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joeshero
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| 2ndamendsis wrote: | Remember, McCain did TALK while a POW. He did make tapes for the purpose of demoralizing his fellow POWs and they did not hold that against him! It may have gone farther than that. It was sooooo easy {no conscience} for him to help Kerry to crush the POW Senate Select committee. His actions in the Senate have always left more questions as to his allegiance?
The below statement is not out of the realm of reality.
| Quote: | The question has now become whether a Kerry “victory” at the polls would be more destructive of American democracy than Islamic terrorism. The answer is that it would be greater. Terrorists can destroy physical targets, while a Democrat electoral fraud would destroy basic democratic systems that are the foundation of governmental legitimacy. Such destruction could very well ignite a civil war.
You know, that last sentence is something that needs to be taken seriously |
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It seems it's much more serious than I thought before. But already, when Kerry-McCain ticket was an issue last spring and McCain once said he was going to entertain it, it says it all.
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SangRun Hunter
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Location: Zinzinnati
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| 2ndamendsis wrote: | Remember, McCain did TALK while a POW. He did make tapes for the purpose of demoralizing his fellow POWs and they did not hold that against him! It may have gone farther than that. It was sooooo easy {no conscience} for him to help Kerry to crush the POW Senate Select committee. His actions in the Senate have always left more questions as to his allegiance?
The below statement is not out of the realm of reality.
| Quote: | The question has now become whether a Kerry “victory” at the polls would be more destructive of American democracy than Islamic terrorism. The answer is that it would be greater. Terrorists can destroy physical targets, while a Democrat electoral fraud would destroy basic democratic systems that are the foundation of governmental legitimacy. Such destruction could very well ignite a civil war.
You know, that last sentence is something that needs to be taken seriously |
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With all that is going on in this country I'm begining to wonder what is going to happen on election day? How many lunatic left disruptions will happen?
What happens if Bush wins and the Dems start screaming and protesting? What happens if Kerry wins and his thugs go after all the Conservative and logical political groups that have been against him.
It's one thing to expect these freaks to stay almost civil now, but what can one expect after the election?
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2ndamendsis
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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SangRun
all through this horrible election cycle there's one picture I can't get out of my head. It has become so strong now, especially when the attacks on the Bush Campaign offices began increasing.
Someone posted that picture with the union people overrunning an office and their was a larger women standing on a desk. The communist "FIST IN AIR" is readily seen. The communist FIST is seen being used by politicians as well as everyday citizens everywhere...speeches, Dem convention, photo ops, office vandalism, rallies.
My mind's eye are all the historical photos & old film as well as documentation of this very tactic being used by
Mussolini, Hitler, French dudes, STALIN {got the ball rolling} I can see the buildings burning in my mind, the molotov cocktails being thrown, people getting cought up in the frenzy, fist in air.
This is the Communist, totalitarian tactic that these fanatics perfected over the last century. Stalin was papa. Country after country that fell within this march of world dominance started with these tactics.
Remember Kruschev {sp} banging the table......."we will bury you from within"
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joeshero
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With all that is going on in this country I'm begining to wonder what is going to happen on election day? How many lunatic left disruptions will happen?
What happens if Bush wins and the Dems start screaming and protesting? What happens if Kerry wins and his thugs go after all the Conservative and logical political groups that have been against him.
It's one thing to expect these freaks to stay almost civil now, but what can one expect after the election?"
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Already in respond to Sinclair decision to air the "Stolen Honor", Chad whaveter, from the Kerry's camp, said "Just hope we don't win". Wow...do you think that is this a banana republic?
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CTW
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| muggedliberal wrote: | I've often wondered about McCain and Kerry.. what bond or secrets they may share.
I found this website once.. and bookmarked it because it was something I never heard of.. it's clearly a 'homemade' site, set up by an individual.. but have any of you heard about this.. like those in AZ??
http://www.cain2004.org/
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I am in shock! I will read more on this. If these actions are proven to be true...well...I am speechless.
as always FOLLOW THE MONEY! If McCain has any business connections etc with Kerry, Kennedy et al, it must be exposed TODAY ASAP not after the election. Get on this folks. CTW
PEABODY ENERGY
701 Market St., St. Louis, MO 63101
Phone: 314-342-3400
Fax: 314-342-7799
http://www.peabodyenergy.com
claims to generate 9% of US and 2.5% of world electricity
controls 9.5 billion tons of coal
produces 180 million tons per year
operates 35 mines and processing facilities in 9 US states
sells coal to 280 power plants and industrial facilities in the US and to customers in 10 other countries
Peabody Coal Company was founded in Chicago in 1883. In 1955 Peabody merged with Sinclair Coal. Many corporations have had interests in Peabody over the years. In 1968, Peabody was acquired by Kennecott Copper, setting off eight years of antitrust litigation, which forced Kennecott to sell Peabody in 1976 to a consortium which included Bechtel, Equitable Life Assurance, Fluor, Newmont Mining, and Williams Company. The consortium morphed into Boeing-Bechtel-Eastern Enterprises (45 percent), and Newmont Mining (55 percent). In 1990, Newmont's majority owner, Hanson PLC, purchased the rest of Peabody from the consortium. By 1997, Peabody was owned by The Energy Group, a spinoff from Hansen PLC. In 1997, Hanson spun off Peabody and Eastern Energy into a new public company, The Energy Group; within the year, PacifiCorp attempted to take over the new company, but regulatory complications caused delays, and by 1998, the company was split again, with Texas Utilities taking Eastern Energy and Lehman Merchant Banking Partners taking Peabody. In May 2001, Peabody Energy completed an initial public offering of its own stock, thus becoming an independent, publicly held corporation again, but according to Hoover's Online in August 2001, Lehman Merchant Banking Partners owned nearly 60% of Peabody's stock. (Source: Peabody Energy website www.peabodyenergy.com, August 2001).
Peabody discovered coal at Black Mesa in northeastern Arizona in 1950, and leases were signed by Navajo and Hopi Tribal Councils in the 1960s as a result of corporate interest in native lands containing oil, coal, uranium, and natural gas. Since then, coal contracts at Black Mesa, located on Hopi and Navajo land, have led to the U.S. government forcibly relocating indigenous people from Big Mountain. Begun in 1986, the relocation has been under the guise of a long-standing "land dispute" between Hopi and Navajo, and the 1974 Navajo-Hopi Land Settlement Act (revised in 1980, 1985, and 1988). Peabody's Black Mesa coal mine supplies fuel to the Mohave power plant, which is owned by Southern California Edison, the Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power, and Nevada Power. Eighty percent of Hopi tribal revenue comes from the mine. The mine itself has operated under temporary permits since the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act of 1977. Peabody uses about a billion gallons of water per year to slurry the coal from Black Mesa to the Mohave Generating Station in Laughlin, Nevada. Peabody has proposed building a pipeline to ship water from Lake Powell to the Black Mesa Mine (High Country News, Apr. 18, 1994, p. 4).
Peabody's Kayenta mine permit was renewed by the U.S. Office of Surface Mining in July 1995; the Navajo's Dine Alliance, and Don't Waste Arizona filed an appeal of the renewal; a U.S. Dept. of Interior judge reversed the permit renewal, citing desecration of burial sites, poisoned livestock, and air and water pollution; Peabody is being allowed to operate temporarily, but was ordered to meet permit requirements (High Country News, Apr. 29, 1996, p. 3).
Peabody PNG Ventures Party Ltd. is involved in oil ventures in Papua New Guinea (Oil & Gas Journal, June 5, 1989, p. 42, and June 19, 1989, p. 31).
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I am looking into voting records of the time by Kerry, Kennedy and McCain.
anybody have a listing or refernce about McCain's holdings or seats on Boards of Directors for some companies? Who has helped his campaigns?
NEVER EVER KERRY |
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2ndamendsis
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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OK, Re: Indians & Water!
Sorry, don't remember "perfect" details and will gladly find them after the election. Here's the sketchy details {from memory}
The aged Indians from a certain area did NOT want to move. Their land held WANTED water rights by large corp. They've fought for some years and refused to be bought out &/or move. Remember, they are the "aged"
and the water is the most valuable $$ resource we have.
They've been threatened, starved - FOOD COULD NOT BE BROUGHT INTO their land {I Think the reason was} couldn't use roads/land surrounding them to travel through as they belonged to corp-who bought up surrounding land. {don't hold me to perfect facts here but I'm close}
Yup, good ole politicians want to HELP the needy minorities!
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CTW
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The leader of the Chippewa Nation in an unrelated conversation had once told me personally of the unbelievable rate of cancer found on such reservations. Until I saw the statistics, however, I was not aware that in the case of the Navaho of Arizona it was likely being caused by the horrifying decision to dump the Indians onto the Uranium Dumping Ground, Church’s Hill, there.
Perhaps the NY Times has empathy for why we are outraged. For John Kerry and John McCain to have conspired to attempt to dare use this Election Year’s rhetoric to try and marginalize these criminal acts they’ve committed against the Navaho, is as amoral as one could imagine. It shows these two men are in possession of absolutely no conscience, men for whom power has gone to their head to such a magnitude that they have lost all touch with their Ethics. It is also an indication that Bill Clinton, who signed the Navaho Resettlement Act into law over 15 minutes while on vacation, along with his friends, Senator Kennedy, Senator McCain, Senator Rockefeller and Senator Kerry, who jointly sponsored and endorsed the enactments dispossessing the Navaho before the Senate, are not much better at treating their own citizens properly than was Saddam Hussein towards the Kurds of Iraq. |
site http://acsa.net/dinehtimes.htm
Read.
Follow The Money CTW
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joeshero
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| CTW wrote: | | Quote: | | citizens properly than was Saddam Hussein towards the Kurds of Iraq. |
site http://acsa.net/dinehtimes.htm
Read.
Follow The Money CTW
Never Ever Kerry |
Perfect sense. Money, the root of all evils!!
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