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Marine4life Senior Chief Petty Officer
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Typical democrat spin master, can anyone tell me where I said the cops are in with alqueda. Or Craig are you suggesting that our law enforcement is connected with alqueda. I hope your remarks are just pure ignorance and not what you believe. Or are you just trying to manufacture statements and say that I said them like Kerry did in 1971 about his fellow soldiers. _________________ Helicopter Marine Attack Squadron 169 which is now HMLA-169. They added Huey's to compliment the Cobra effectiveness. When I served we just had Snakes. |
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mikest PO2
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Actually Al Queda has already endorsed Bush due to his impact on their recruiting. |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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mikest wrote: | Actually Al Queda has already endorsed Bush due to his impact on their recruiting. |
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mikest PO2
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Greenhat wrote: | mikest wrote: | Actually Al Queda has already endorsed Bush due to his impact on their recruiting. |
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Yeah, kind of stupid but I couldn't resist. Al Queda wants to destroy us and will try regardless of who is in the WH. When I see the statements like mine and ones like this:
Quote: | Marine4life Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 9:09 am Post subject:
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I understand that alqeda is endorsing Kerry as well, and the sad part is if he gets elected they will be allowed to vote next time. |
I roll my eyes as well. |
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Craig Guest
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Marine4life wrote: | Typical democrat spin master, can anyone tell me where I said the cops are in with alqueda. Or Craig are you suggesting that our law enforcement is connected with alqueda. I hope your remarks are just pure ignorance and not what you believe. Or are you just trying to manufacture statements and say that I said them like Kerry did in 1971 about his fellow soldiers. |
It was you who equated al Qaeda endorsement to International Brotherhood of Police Officers endorsement. Along with that idiotic accusation about them getting to vote.
Now let is see what is ad hominem in all that when you make such spurious accusation to belittle the candidate as well as his actual endorsers with what is a pretty much standard form of attack by one with nothing of substance to support his argument.
Amusing too when some [expletive] would try to turn what is said back on one who would point out the [expletive] accusation
Marine4life said:
I understand that alqeda is endorsing Kerry as well, and the sad part is if he gets elected they will be allowed to vote next time. |
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Craig Guest
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Craig wrote: | Marine4life wrote: | Typical democrat spin master, can anyone tell me where I said the cops are in with alqueda. Or Craig are you suggesting that our law enforcement is connected with alqueda. I hope your remarks are just pure ignorance and not what you believe. Or are you just trying to manufacture statements and say that I said them like Kerry did in 1971 about his fellow soldiers. |
It was you who equated al Qaeda endorsement to International Brotherhood of Police Officers endorsement. Along with that idiotic accusation about them getting to vote.
Now let is see what is ad hominem in all that when you make such spurious accusation to belittle the candidate as well as his actual endorsers with what is a pretty much standard form of attack by one with nothing of substance to support his argument.
Amusing too when some [expletive] would try to turn what is said back on one who would point out the [expletive] accusation
Marine4life said:
I understand that alqeda is endorsing Kerry as well, and the sad part is if he gets elected they will be allowed to vote next time. |
Marine4life never did get back to me about his equating International Brotherhood of Police Officers to Al Qaeda. |
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hist/student Lieutenant
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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War Dog Captain
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 517 Location: Below Birmingham Alabama
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Marine4life never did get back to me about his equating International Brotherhood of Police Officers to Al Qaeda. |
Liberal logic:
International Brotherhood of Police Officer is for John Kerry!
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Poster says in his opinion al Qaeda is for John Kerry!
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al Qaeda is = to International Brotherhood of Police Officers!
Huh? Huh?
Beats the heck out of me, but I don't see the connection!
War Woof! _________________ "When people are in trouble, they call the cops.
When cops need help, they call the K-9 unit." |
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Craig wrote: | Craig wrote: | Marine4life wrote: | Typical democrat spin master, can anyone tell me where I said the cops are in with alqueda. Or Craig are you suggesting that our law enforcement is connected with alqueda. I hope your remarks are just pure ignorance and not what you believe. Or are you just trying to manufacture statements and say that I said them like Kerry did in 1971 about his fellow soldiers. |
It was you who equated al Qaeda endorsement to International Brotherhood of Police Officers endorsement. Along with that idiotic accusation about them getting to vote.
Now let is see what is ad hominem in all that when you make such spurious accusation to belittle the candidate as well as his actual endorsers with what is a pretty much standard form of attack by one with nothing of substance to support his argument.
Amusing too when some [expletive] would try to turn what is said back on one who would point out the [expletive] accusation
Marine4life said:
I understand that alqeda is endorsing Kerry as well, and the sad part is if he gets elected they will be allowed to vote next time. |
Marine4life never did get back to me about his equating International Brotherhood of Police Officers to Al Qaeda. |
I think you're missing a point here! A union endorsements come from union leadership and doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the Union's members. A endorsement from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamsters didn't do Humphrey any good either.
The clowns that run these unions represent only themselves and not their constituency! Union membership as a percentage of workers has gone from 20% 23 years ago to 8% today. The union movement, like communism is just that, another failed movement. It may come back if business owners become as abusive as they were during the early 20th century. Personally I think that's unlikely. The better answer is greater equity ownership of businesses by their employees. Capitalism at it's best IMHO.
Best wishes. _________________ On Sale! Order in lots of 100 now at velero@rcn.com Free for the cost of shipping All profits (if any, especially now) go to Swiftvets. The author of "Sink Kerry Swiftly" ---ASPB |
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Craig Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:25 am Post subject: |
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ASPB wrote: | Craig wrote: | Craig wrote: | Marine4life wrote: | Typical democrat spin master, can anyone tell me where I said the cops are in with alqueda. Or Craig are you suggesting that our law enforcement is connected with alqueda. I hope your remarks are just pure ignorance and not what you believe. Or are you just trying to manufacture statements and say that I said them like Kerry did in 1971 about his fellow soldiers. |
It was you who equated al Qaeda endorsement to International Brotherhood of Police Officers endorsement. Along with that idiotic accusation about them getting to vote.
Now let is see what is ad hominem in all that when you make such spurious accusation to belittle the candidate as well as his actual endorsers with what is a pretty much standard form of attack by one with nothing of substance to support his argument.
Amusing too when some [expletive] would try to turn what is said back on one who would point out the [expletive] accusation
Marine4life said:
I understand that alqeda is endorsing Kerry as well, and the sad part is if he gets elected they will be allowed to vote next time. |
Marine4life never did get back to me about his equating International Brotherhood of Police Officers to Al Qaeda. |
I think you're missing a point here! A union endorsements come from union leadership and doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the Union's members. A endorsement from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamsters didn't do Humphrey any good either.
The clowns that run these unions represent only themselves and not their constituency! Union membership as a percentage of workers has gone from 20% 23 years ago to 8% today. The union movement, like communism is just that, another failed movement. It may come back if business owners become as abusive as they were during the early 20th century. Personally I think that's unlikely. The better answer is greater equity ownership of businesses by their employees. Capitalism at it's best IMHO.
Best wishes. |
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39e61db810c2.htm |
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Craig Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:30 am Post subject: |
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ASPB wrote: | Craig wrote: | Craig wrote: | Marine4life wrote: | Typical democrat spin master, can anyone tell me where I said the cops are in with alqueda. Or Craig are you suggesting that our law enforcement is connected with alqueda. I hope your remarks are just pure ignorance and not what you believe. Or are you just trying to manufacture statements and say that I said them like Kerry did in 1971 about his fellow soldiers. |
It was you who equated al Qaeda endorsement to International Brotherhood of Police Officers endorsement. Along with that idiotic accusation about them getting to vote.
Now let is see what is ad hominem in all that when you make such spurious accusation to belittle the candidate as well as his actual endorsers with what is a pretty much standard form of attack by one with nothing of substance to support his argument.
Amusing too when some [expletive] would try to turn what is said back on one who would point out the [expletive] accusation
Marine4life said:
I understand that alqeda is endorsing Kerry as well, and the sad part is if he gets elected they will be allowed to vote next time. |
Marine4life never did get back to me about his equating International Brotherhood of Police Officers to Al Qaeda. |
I think you're missing a point here! A union endorsements come from union leadership and doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the Union's members. A endorsement from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamsters didn't do Humphrey any good either.
The clowns that run these unions represent only themselves and not their constituency! Union membership as a percentage of workers has gone from 20% 23 years ago to 8% today. The union movement, like communism is just that, another failed movement. It may come back if business owners become as abusive as they were during the early 20th century. Personally I think that's unlikely. The better answer is greater equity ownership of businesses by their employees. Capitalism at it's best IMHO.
Best wishes. |
Instead of a blanket slander on all unions why don't you elaborate on what you know about the one in question? |
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 1680
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Craig wrote: | ASPB wrote: | Craig wrote: | Craig wrote: | Marine4life wrote: | Typical democrat spin master, can anyone tell me where I said the cops are in with alqueda. Or Craig are you suggesting that our law enforcement is connected with alqueda. I hope your remarks are just pure ignorance and not what you believe. Or are you just trying to manufacture statements and say that I said them like Kerry did in 1971 about his fellow soldiers. |
It was you who equated al Qaeda endorsement to International Brotherhood of Police Officers endorsement. Along with that idiotic accusation about them getting to vote.
Now let is see what is ad hominem in all that when you make such spurious accusation to belittle the candidate as well as his actual endorsers with what is a pretty much standard form of attack by one with nothing of substance to support his argument.
Amusing too when some [expletive] would try to turn what is said back on one who would point out the [expletive] accusation
Marine4life said:
I understand that alqeda is endorsing Kerry as well, and the sad part is if he gets elected they will be allowed to vote next time. |
Marine4life never did get back to me about his equating International Brotherhood of Police Officers to Al Qaeda. |
I think you're missing a point here! A union endorsements come from union leadership and doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the Union's members. A endorsement from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamsters didn't do Humphrey any good either.
The clowns that run these unions represent only themselves and not their constituency! Union membership as a percentage of workers has gone from 20% 23 years ago to 8% today. The union movement, like communism is just that, another failed movement. It may come back if business owners become as abusive as they were during the early 20th century. Personally I think that's unlikely. The better answer is greater equity ownership of businesses by their employees. Capitalism at it's best IMHO.
Best wishes. |
Instead of a blanket slander on all unions why don't you elaborate on what you know about the one in question? |
Jeez Craig,
I wasn't slandering unions; just self-serving union leaders and socialist politicians that pander to union leaders! I'd love to see a poll of street cops about dealing forcefully with criminals and terrorists. _________________ On Sale! Order in lots of 100 now at velero@rcn.com Free for the cost of shipping All profits (if any, especially now) go to Swiftvets. The author of "Sink Kerry Swiftly" ---ASPB |
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Craig Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:38 am Post subject: |
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More Cops Endorse Kerry: Reflects John Kerry's Strong Anti-Crime Record, Bush's Failures to Support Law Enforcement, Says Campaign
5/14/2004 12:05:00 PM
To: National Desk, Political Reporter
Contact: Sarah Gegenheimer of John Kerry for President, 202-712-3000; Web: http://www.johnkerry.com
WASHINGTON, May 14 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by John Kerry for President:
The International Brotherhood of Police Officers (IBPO) is the only major national police organization to have endorsed the winner of the last three presidential elections. Today, IBPO endorses John Kerry because of his strong anti-crime record and because of President Bush's consistent failure to support law enforcement in the battle against crime and the war against terror. Joining the International Union of Police Associations (IUPA) in support of John Kerry, IBPO sends another message that John Kerry stands for a strong and safe America.
IBPO ENDORSED GEORGE W. BUSH IN 2000, BILL CLINTON IN 1996 AND 1992:
IBPO Called George W. Bush "The Law and Order Candidate" When Endorsing Him in 2000. In the 2000 campaign for President, Governor George W. Bush received the endorsement of the International Brotherhood of Police Officers. IBPO stated: "In this election, Gov. Bush is absolutely the law and order candidate...Governor Bush is a friend of police officers." (IBPO, Police Chronicle, October, 2000)
IBPO Endorsed Bill Clinton in 1996 and 1992. During the 1992 and 1996 campaigns for President, Bill Clinton received the endorsement of the IBPO. IBPO stated: "We cannot take another four years of a Bush administration...They have stripped police departments and cities of the monies the federal government was pouring in to help us with our war on crime." Clinton "trumpeted" the endorsement during the campaign. (The Commercial Appeal, 10/10/92; Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 10/10/92; Washington Post, 11/4/96)
JOHN KERRY HAS STOOD BY POLICE OFFICERS:
John Kerry Led the Fight for Additional 100,000 Police Officers on America's Streets. John Kerry led the fight to add 100,000 police to our streets through his work on the 1994 crime bill and its Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program. Kerry personally pushed the Clinton White House, the Justice Department, and members of Congress to obtain funding for the 100,000 cops program. Kerry "persuaded the Senate and the Clinton White House to finance a campaign pledge to put 100,000 more police officers on the street." (Boston Globe, 6/21/03; S.Amdt. 1202 to S 1607, 11/16/03; Reason Magazine. 3/94)
Kerry Worked With Law Enforcement Officials to Ban Military- Style Assault Weapons. John Kerry has strongly supported the current ban on machine guns and assault weapons-including AK-47's and similar weapons used by terrorists in Afghanistan. Police organizations including IBPO strongly support extension of the current ban. (RC 375, S Amdt. 1152 to S Amdt. 1151 to S 1607, 11/17/93; Orange County Register, 3/2/04)
Kerry is a National Leader in Working to Ban "Cop Killer Bullets." John Kerry is a national leader in promoting sensible oversight of ammunition sales which have no sporting value yet risk the lives of police officers. Kerry has strongly supported measures to crack down on armor-piecing, "cop killer" bullets. (S. 553, 4/10/97; S. 433, 2/16/95; RC 240, S Amdt. 3351 to S. 2312, 7/28/98; RC 116, S Amdt. 343 to S 254, 5/13/99)
As a County Prosecutor, Kerry Fought Crime and Put Away Murderers and Mob Bosses. John Kerry was the first assistant prosecutor of Middlesex County (one of the largest counties in the country) and won convictions in high profile murder, rape and mafia cases. Kerry led the prosecutor's office in a major modernization. "He launched initiatives that were innovative at the time: special units to prosecute white-collar and organized crime, programs to counsel rape victims and aid other crime victims and witnesses, and a system for fast-tracking priority cases to trial" and "is credited with reducing the backlog of cases." (Boston Globe, 6/18/03; Washington Post, 2/21/85)
GEORGE BUSH HAS TURNED HIS BACK ON COPS:
George Bush Guts Funding for Police Officers. The Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program has helped fund more than 100,000 police officers and contributed to one of the largest declines in crime in our nation's history. Yet President Bush has sought to cut the COPS program in every one of his budgets. His current budget slashes the COPS program for 2005, providing only $97 million, a $646 million (87 percent) cut below the 2004 enacted level. Over the long term, his budget assumes the elimination of COPS hiring programs and technology and safe schools initiatives. (House Budget Committee Democratic Caucus, 2/19/04)
George Bush Says He Supports Extension of Assault Weapons Ban, But Fails to Move It. The White House says that on assault weapons, President Bush "supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law." Yet the White House has done nothing to move an extension. President Bush actually opposed efforts to include an extension of the assault weapons ban as part of a bill he strongly supported to protect gun manufacturers from liability. The Bush Administration said: "The Administration urges the Senate to pass a clean bill, in order to ensure enactment of the legislation this year. Any amendment that would delay enactment of the bill beyond this year is unacceptable." (Knight-Ridder, 4/12/03; Statement of Administrative Policy, 2/24/04; The Hill, 5/12/04)
Without Help From George Bush, War and State Budgets Have Forced Layoffs in Police Departments. While police departments have faced new burdens because of the war on terror, states and cities have had less money to address those burdens because of more than $200 billion in state deficits over the last three years. Without real help from President Bush, cities across America laid off cops. The situation has been made worse by the war on Iraq, which has "required the call-up of huge numbers of reserves, many of whom are cops." (Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, 2/04; USA Today, 12/2/03; Washington Monthly, 9/03)
The Bush Administration Has Failed to Adequately Share Domestic Intelligence Information with Local Police Departments. The FBI and other intelligence agencies have been widely criticized for failing to share information with local police departments who police American cities. A GAO report found, "no level of government perceived the process as effective," and only 13 percent of federal officials and 35 percent of state officials believed that the current level of intelligence sharing between federal, state, and local officials was adequate and effective. "Despite repeated FBI assurances that cops are equal partners in the war against terrorism, local cops say they frequently feel like second-class citizens." (GAO, 8/27/03; Washington Monthly, 9/03)
Bush Proposed Cutting Overtime Pay for Cops. In both the original proposed overtime pay rules and the revised set of rules, the Bush Administration has threatened the overtime pay of thousands of police officers. Under the original Bush plan, "A police officer who walks a beat (manual work) may not lose overtime protection, but a police sergeant who spends significant time supervising two or three other officers will lose overtime protection." Revised rules did not clarify the problem. (Economic Policy Institute, 7/26/03, 5/4/04)
JOHN KERRY WILL STAND BY AMERICA'S POLICE OFFICERS:
Support Police Officers in the Battles Against Crime and Terror. Police departments have faced historic burdens since 9/11, including added overtime work and needs for new training and new communications and safety equipment. While George Bush has failed to support these departments, John Kerry will provide $25 billion in immediate fiscal relief to states and communities- money that states and localities will be able to use to give the tools they need to keep our streets safe and protect against terror. In addition, John Kerry will continue the COPS program which he helped create.
Share Intelligence to Protect America Against Terror. John Kerry believes that appropriate state and local authorities should get access to the 58 national terrorist lists and intelligence officials should work to simplify these lists. In addition, a 24-hour operations center should be established in each state to provide a real time intergovernmental link between local and federal law enforcement. Field-level police would contact this center to determine whether to hold or release suspects based on a check of federal databases. Continue the Assault Weapons Ban. John Kerry believes we can protect the right to bear arms and at the same time keep guns out of the hands of criminals. He stands with law enforcement officers, who put their lives on the line every day, in seeking to ensure that these officers are not outgunned by criminals armed with these weapons of war. John Kerry will renew the assault weapons ban, a measure President Bush claims to support, and will close the gun show loophole.
Support Neighborhood Prosecutor Programs. John Kerry will support police officers and reduce crime by brining prosecutors into high-crime neighborhoods. Kerry's neighborhood prosecutor program will support states that assign prosecutors to specific communities where they work closely with police officers and residents to combat crimes like drug activity, noise violations, and vandalism. The prosecutors' offices will be located in the neighborhoods where they are assigned, and prosecutors will regularly attend community meetings to solicit input.
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Like I said Craig,
Poll the union members and don't depend on an endorsement from self-serving leadership. Remember it's the members that vote as individuals and not as a unit. Show me a street cop that won't vote for knocking the heads of thugs and terrorists. _________________ On Sale! Order in lots of 100 now at velero@rcn.com Free for the cost of shipping All profits (if any, especially now) go to Swiftvets. The author of "Sink Kerry Swiftly" ---ASPB |
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Craig Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:43 am Post subject: |
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ASPB wrote: | Craig wrote: | ASPB wrote: | Craig wrote: | Craig wrote: | Marine4life wrote: | Typical democrat spin master, can anyone tell me where I said the cops are in with alqueda. Or Craig are you suggesting that our law enforcement is connected with alqueda. I hope your remarks are just pure ignorance and not what you believe. Or are you just trying to manufacture statements and say that I said them like Kerry did in 1971 about his fellow soldiers. |
It was you who equated al Qaeda endorsement to International Brotherhood of Police Officers endorsement. Along with that idiotic accusation about them getting to vote.
Now let is see what is ad hominem in all that when you make such spurious accusation to belittle the candidate as well as his actual endorsers with what is a pretty much standard form of attack by one with nothing of substance to support his argument.
Amusing too when some [expletive] would try to turn what is said back on one who would point out the [expletive] accusation
Marine4life said:
I understand that alqeda is endorsing Kerry as well, and the sad part is if he gets elected they will be allowed to vote next time. |
Marine4life never did get back to me about his equating International Brotherhood of Police Officers to Al Qaeda. |
I think you're missing a point here! A union endorsements come from union leadership and doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the Union's members. A endorsement from Jimmy Hoffa's Teamsters didn't do Humphrey any good either.
The clowns that run these unions represent only themselves and not their constituency! Union membership as a percentage of workers has gone from 20% 23 years ago to 8% today. The union movement, like communism is just that, another failed movement. It may come back if business owners become as abusive as they were during the early 20th century. Personally I think that's unlikely. The better answer is greater equity ownership of businesses by their employees. Capitalism at it's best IMHO.
Best wishes. |
Instead of a blanket slander on all unions why don't you elaborate on what you know about the one in question? |
Jeez Craig,
I wasn't slandering unions; just self-serving union leaders and socialist politicians that pander to union leaders! I'd love to see a poll of street cops about dealing forcefully with criminals and terrorists. |
Then you know something about the union in question, that it leaders are as you accuse above?
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