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Barbie2004
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome!

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SooZQ
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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StolenHonor has been made available as a free download.
It's a 12.3MB WMV file. Well, the pitch is this: how about burning
a few dozen and pass those out to your college students? In quantity,
a typical CD-ROM costs less than $.40...a good burner can burn
that size file in less than 20 secs....SO....don't you think the kids
would get more out of a video? One CD per Frat house?


That's a great idea sround, but the only burner I know
how to operate is the one on the stove top! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SooZQ, do you have a cd or dvd burner? If not do you have a "video out" on your video card on your computer or laptop? If you have a burner I am sure we could help walk you through the process. If you have a tv out on your computer, you can hook it up to a vcr (and the audio out from your sound card) and record it to vhs.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i did a search on ohio yesterday and sent over 500 emails to university staff not just teachers but groundskeepers etc.
sent them the stolen honor free link. said these men deserve and have earned your attention.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superb idea the powsnmias! I'll do that myself this weeK!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

powsnmias wrote:
i did a search on ohio yesterday and sent over 500 emails to university staff not just teachers but groundskeepers etc.
sent them the stolen honor free link. said these men deserve and have earned your attention.


how do you guys do this stuff? I can't even find an email addr for the mayor of YOungstown! who is dem voting for bush! Sad

is it legal to download that video and give away? i can do that! if it is legal..... I'll hand them out on my road! Smile

can someone email some of that info about Al gaeda and Iraq I saw on the board in front of kinkos????

thanks to all of you for getting out there and meeting with the young people...... so good to hear there are some smart youngins out there... I guess it's the media again... makes you think the whole country has gone to h...l I know how my daughter is voting... better call my son...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevie...

I wanted my display to show that Kerry had not volunteered to serve as he has implied. That he went in only after asking for what we suspect was
his 5th deferment! (Think he owes Cheney a big appology!) Of course
we can't "verify" the number of derferments he had because he
"WON'T SIGN HIS 180'!! I didn't bother with his purple hearts, etc.

On the middle panel I showed about his anti-war activities with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and I used the words from the description of Stolen Honor to highlight the effects of his actions on the
POWs. I had in big red letters..."This is the documentary the Democratic Party is trying to stop being aired. What doesn't John Kerry want you to see?"

Below that I mention the connections between Russia, China and
North Vietnam in sponsoring the anti-war activities in the U.S.
I used excerts from a 1995 Wall Street journal interview with NV's
Bui Tin...
Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?


A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

Q: Why?


A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.


I pointed out the eery similarities with Russia, China, and France and
anti-war activities today!

On the last board I had an open letter from Lt. Colonel Oliver North to John Kerry, which was a powerful reiteration of the issues. And on the
bottom of the last panel, a mention of the Oil for Food Scandal at the
UN and the evidence that is coming up that Saddam financially supported
Al-Qaueda. I had a picture of the towers in flames, saying, This was NOT
a dream. It is WAR! I pointed out how Kerry's rhetoric reveals how is
positioning himself to "negotiate" with the enemy like he did in N. Vietnam, should he be elected. The price would be too high.
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Stevie, You can go to www.google.com and search any topic and find
info if it is out 'there'. Avoid commentary and oppinion, unless coroborated with evidence. Also, the Resources and Research board is a wealth of info. For quick, dowloadable, printable handouts, go to:

www.operationstreetcorner.com

www.betrayed-vietnam-vet.info

Good luck! It is NEVER too late to have an impact.

Sue

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SooZQ wrote:
Well, I am really encouraged


Tony Snesco would be EXTREMELY PROUD of you SooZQ


.... ....

Tony is a Swift Boat sailor and the force behind Operation Streetcorner

He has spent every weekend since June at the Vietnam Memorial in DC

A Bravo Zulu {Navy attaboy} to all who work the street corners


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sround
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the link to the video:

http://buttondepress.com/bostonmanifesto/

This page clearly states you need to get premission if you
want to use the doc (and probably) the vid for fund-rasing,
but you're not going to be fund-rasing. Why don't you bump
this and get the attornies involved--you probably are already
working with Steve Sherman anyway, but you need to do this
now...

Also, how about just some simple flyers with this (buttondepress.com)
url link on them? Just post them an bulletin boards with a "tear-off"
of the url going down the side. Students do this all the time to
sell old text books, etc.

Lastly, I would volunteer to burn these myself, but even FedExing
them would take too long and cost too much. Remember, even
if you don't have a burner on your PC, they are very inexpensive these
days....less than the price of a half a tank of gas...oh yah,
don't forget to ask the younger folks about helping too...you may not
know about burning CDs, but your kids and grand-kids will! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Folks,

Just noticed Son of a Vet posted a different link
and that link is to a much cleaner version of StolenHonor
(ie, 320x240 , Stereo) but it's 65Mb. You should probably
download and distribute this version. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been cleared for us to make this video availabe to all we can.

Navy_Navy_Navy posted this in a tread earlier:

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Subj: These POW's from the Vietnam war deserve to be heard!

Dear _______,

Fourteen Prisoners of War from the Vietnam war recently produced a moving
documentary - each of them speaking about their treatment at the hands
of sadistic captors and how the anti-war movement back home affected
their treatment and their morale.

These men endured unspeakable tortures in order to avoid making any
statement that would reflect poorly upon their fellow soldiers or their
government or their country.

In the meantime, a Navy Lieutenant was back in the States after only four
months in Vietnam, telling the country that our soldiers had become
monsters, committing atrocities and war crimes with abandon, on a
day-to-day basis, with the full knowledge of the entire chain of command.

This Navy Lieutenant stands before you today as candidate for
Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces - John F. Kerry.

These POW's attempted to get their story told, only to have their documentary
watered down into a confusing hour-long "news commentary" which
included only a few minutes from their movie, Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal.

Beginning on Monday, Oct 25, this 42 minute documentary is going to be
available free on their website: www.stolenhonor.com

Please help ensure that these men are not kept silenced. Let yourself hear
what they have to say. Let your family and friends hear their stories.

They have waited so long for America to know - please let this be their
time to tell their story to all of us who never knew the full story of the
anti-war movement and its terrible effects upon our Prisoners of War who
"fought the good fight," and resisted the enemy by all means possible
within their cells for up to almost eight years.

These are honorable men who went off to war as their country called them
only to return to a world turned upside down. Please give them an hour and
they will speak to your hearts.

Visit http://www.stolenhonor.com and download the movie as soon as you
can. As with the ads created by Swift Vets and POW's For Truth, the movie
is one that the Kerry campaign does NOT want you to see, because it is
irrefutuble and immutable. Truth is like that.

As a veteran, I am proud to stand with my Vietnam-era brothers and sisters
and say, "Enough! Never again will we allow the American soldier to be
vilified and marginalized in his or her own country without speaking up
against it!"

We must not ever let the anti-war movement convince us again that our
soldiers are the marauding murderers and rapists that John Kerry testified
that they were back on April 22, 1971 before our own Congress and
thoughout his leadership of the VVAW protests and rallies.

"It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major
battle. We lost the war at home... and at home, John Kerry was the
Field General." -- Robert Elder, Former Swift Boat Commander, USN

Help us make November 2 Vietnam Veteran's Vindication Day!


http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14292

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a letter to the editor of the Columbus Dispatch, written by
CherylA, one of the participants in this weekend's OSC.

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Bravo to Vatican officials, particularly Cardinal Sodano, for calling
NATO troops to assist in the democratization efforts in Iraq. Finally! I
hope that pro-democracy Arabs, wherever they are in the world, will also step forward to help free Iraq in this difficult stage of the fight. Imagine an end to cowering.
For far too long have Iraqis and her neighbors suffered: under
Saddam, from U.N. corruption with the economic sanctions, from depleted
uranium, and now from dictatorship-hungry Ba'athists and terrorists. For too long has Senator
Kerry harped about the United States bearing the brunt of the war. To
him and his supporters I suggest that American troops do suffer: not from being "misled," but from his campaign stump speech criticizing and cheapening this long overdue liberation.
I cannot describe my anguish every time I see a bumper sticker that
says "Mission NOTHING Accomplished" or "Regime change begins at home."
America is not a regime. Terrorism is slowly but surely being
beaten down because President Bush and American troops, particularly the Marines, have had the courage to face down what all countries should have stood up to
before.
Kerry repeats (and repeats) that Iraq did not attack America. Had
he shown up to more security council meetings, he might know what Middle Easterners do: al-Qaida and like organizations recruit radical "Muslims" from everywhere, and they send them everywhere. Why were there Arabs at the Beslan school in Russia? Who supported the Somali warlords? Who fought in Kosovo? Who supported the Palestinian suicide bombers? It wasn't Spanish terrorists who blew up that
train. Saudis and other Arabs were not in Afghanistan because it is a
beautiful vacation spot. They left or got kicked out of the Arab
countries for their crimes and fanatic intentions.
The most hypocritical of the bumper stickers, however, is "Bush
lied, thousands died." By left-wing and socialist accounts (Bishop Thomas
Gumbleton, founder of Pax Christi and Ramsey Clark, head of the Iraq Action Center), approximately 5,000 Iraqi babies and elderly were dying every month from the economic sanction(www.iacenter.org). These "pacifists" should pull out their calculators. They can change their tune but they can't change the laws of mathematics. Either they lied before or, since the deposing of Saddam, they've neglected to note that thousands of lives have been spared.
The war on terror has been diluted and minimized by John Kerry's
"leadership." But then, this is someone who, unsanctioned, tried to
surrender--for the sake of "peace" he says--to North Vietnamese officials while still a U.S. Naval Reserve officer. Surprise?
Freedom, safety, and peace are worth it. I envision a day when
Americans, Iraqis, and all the Arab countries are exchanging ideas, tourism, and playground blueprints. It's all I can dream of whenever I take my granddaughter to the local mall playscapes. Those who
undermine the struggle for democracy in Iraq should stop parroting socialist talking points and start researching the realities. To the soldiers and families-the ones who are really suffering in this struggle-I give my heartfelt thanks and tears, and assure them that this is indeed the good fight.
Their sacrifice to help peace-loving Iraqis is the world's brightest
candle right now.
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